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Kickbacks became a routine part of doing business through the Chamber, according to a lawsuit filed against Craxi and Pillitteri in the spring of 1989. Gen. Mohamed Farah Aidid, a former aide to Siad Barre, alleged in the suit that the Socialists had promised him and another Somali official a "50-50 split" of the 10 percent commission on all deals settled through the Chamber. The two Somalis claimed they were owed billions of lira. A civil court in Milan dismissed the case, ruling that it was impossible to confirm the existence of an agreement to split the kickbacks without any written evidence. Aidid, whose name means "he who doesn't tolerate insults," is one of the two most powerful warlords in Somalia. Not surprisingly, he protested loudly when Italian troops returned to Somalia last December as part of Operation Restore Hope.

The corrupt relationship between the Italians and Barre, which began in 1978, flourished after 1983 when Craxi became prime minister. The Socialists flooded Somalia with millions of dollars in aid. Siad Barre obtained arms, military advisers and trainers for his armed forces.

In September 1985, Craxi became the first Italian prime minister to make an official visit to Somalia, and he promised Siad Barre aid worth approximately $450 million over the next two years. Barre returned the visit and twice came to Rome, where he was received with all honors in 1986 and 1987. When Italian President Francesco Cossiga received the Somali dictator at the presidential palace in 1987, he congratulated Siad Barre, who had just been "re-elected" president with over 99 percent of the vote.

On the Somali side, all the money was allegedly handled by Barre's eldest son, 48-year-old colonel Hassan Mohammed Siad, who had an apartment in the Hotel Raphael in Rome -- the same hotel where Craxi had his permanent residence in the Italian capital. During these years, many members of the Barre family (the dictator had five wives and at least 30 children) acquired property and bank accounts in Switzerland. On the Italian side, the list of beneficiaries reads like a who's who of major construction, engineering and communications firms.

By the late 1980s, the Italian government had lost touch with reality in Somalia. "We obviously had no idea of what was going on in Somalia and until the very last moment we tried to save Siad Barre," says Francesco Rutelli.

In May 1988, rising dissatisfaction with Siad Barre's regime led to rebellion in northern Somalia. The dictator crushed the revolt by destroying three cities; 15,000 people died. Back in Rome, opposition politicians demanded an end to the cooperation with Somalia and were rebuffed. Detailed reports of tortures and atrocities committed by the Barre government, released by Amnesty International, had no effect on the Italian government. Rome maintained cordial relations with Siad Barre after the assassination of the bishop of Mogadishu, Salvatore Colombo, in July 1989, and even after an Italian biologist was beaten to death in the headquarters of the Somali secret services in June 1990. When members of the opposition complained in Parliament that Italy was supporting dictatorships, Socialist Foreign Minister Gianni De Michelis answered: "If we were to abandon all those states run by dictators in Africa there would be no one left to cooperate with."

Italy lost its final chance to win back some friends in Somalia when, just before Siad Barre was forced to flee Mogadishu in January 1991, Foreign Minister De Michelis tried to convince representatives of the rebel movements in Rome that a new political scenario must include the former dictator.

The tragedy of Italian involvement in Somalia, according to Rutelli and others, is that Italy was in a position thoughout the 1980s to put enormous pressure on Siad Barre and force him to change his ways. But every time he and the Greens called on the government to link the concession of Italian aid in Somalia to human rights and reforms, they were rebuffed by the powerful interests around Craxi.

Now Craxi and Pillitteri are at the center of a huge corruption scandal in Milan. Investigating magistrates claim that the Socialist Party in Milan orchestrated a huge web of corruption and kickbacks paid to local officials, belonging to almost all the political parties, in exchange for lucrative public contracts. The magistrates have asked Parliament to lift the Socialist leader's immunity from prosecution. More than 90 politicians and businessmen, many of them with close personal ties to Craxi, have been arrested, and a number of major construction companies like Cogefar and Lodigiani, which carried out some of the biggest jobs in Somalia, have also been implicated.

In Somalia, the total breakdown of civil order after Siad Barre's departure forced humanitarian agencies to withdraw and prompted the United Nations to call for U.S. intervention. When the U.S troops arrived via boat in the harbor of Mogadishu, they unknowingly passed by the rotting remains of three boats that had been paid for by an Italian government program to develop the fishing industry. The boats had never been used.

Wolfgang Achtner is a journalist in Rome.


 
I genuinely think the only two men who have done something for somalia in the last 100 years

are Sayidka in making sure the Christians did not make the isaaq gallows and many Ogaden, Dhulbahante and Mj and other harti died for it,

Sultan keenadiid who civilised the hoto race and fought the Italians were they called the Majerteniya , like how the British were forced named the Ogadeniya as only certain clans fought back - who knows may sultan keenadiid brought islam and af somali to this race , may father used to say he civilised them

when haile selasi told the British he wanted to rule somalia, they laughed, they told him the Sayid's race were too much for us well equipped British, a starving naked African monkey like you will be eaten if the somali race get their hands on weapons, they fight like lions

Cabdullahi Yusuf who wanted to bring back respect to so called *******a in the zoo known as xamar


Sultans of old like Sultan Ahmed Magan- the Ogaden king who fought the British for 47 years - between 1896 till 1943 - in Jubaland and NFD to the point the British literally just left Jubaland and ran after giving Jubaland to the Italians due to constant wars from this king and his Ogaden soldiers,

no one had made the British ran from a country except for the Ogaden in Jubaland, the Afghans in 1897 and the Americans in 1776 - the British just abandoned Jubaland due to constant wars of no profits against Sultan Ahmed Magan The Brave

and Sultan Abdirahman Mursal- the Sultan of Cawlyahan Ogaden in Bardere who karbashed the British and their marehan and indian foot soldiers for 14 years between 1903 till 1917 in gedo to the point where they said Ogaden is the most formidable foe we every fought in the Africa continent,

every so called leader since cabdulahi yusuf has been bent on not just robbing but to make sure they screw up the country due to cuqdad, forgetting they are leaders for every tribe and back stabbing the federal system and the constitutions they pissed on, i would give anything to have cabdulahi yusuf back for just one month, he could achieve more than the last three did in 10 years in 4 weeks, bloody langabs they should never ever be trusted with power
AUN to all those who fought the gaalo ameen. I just want to know what can we do now. Those in the government majority of them do not have a formel education, they ignorant and they only care about muh qabil. I will be probably go back to Somalia next Summer, I will focus on strengthening my language, I will be focusing a lot on deen and memorizing the quran and I also hope I will find myself a wife. I really wanna do something about this mess, idc about Al shabaab etc.
 
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are Sayidka in making sure the Christians did not make the isaaq gallows and many Ogaden, Dhulbahante and Mj and other harti died for it,

Where are you getting this from? Your "Sayidka" did nothing of the sort. The British were therefore before his "rebellion" and converted no-one into gaalo's, and were there for another 40 years after they beat him and still didn't convert anyone into gaalo's. How did a man defeated by the gaalo's, stop others from becoming gaalo's exactly?

You strike me as a bit of a mental midget.
 


Where are you getting this from? Your "Sayidka" did nothing of the sort. The British were there before before his "rebellion" and converted no-one into gaalo's. They were there for another 40 years after they beat him, and still didn't convert anyone into gaalo's. How did a man defeated by the gaalo's stop others from becoming gaalo's exactly?

You strike me as a bit of a mental midget. Don't let your qabiil ridden brain overwhelm the little bit of rationality you might have left.
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Where are you getting this from? Your "Sayidka" did nothing of the sort. The British were therefore before his "rebellion" and converted no-one into gaalo's, and were there for another 40 years after they beat him and still didn't convert anyone into gaalo's. How did a man defeated by the gaalo's, stop others from becoming gaalo's exactly?

You strike me as a bit of a mental midget.
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Shut up i-door boy, no need for cuqdad ridden creatures,

He saved i-doors from being turned into gaallo

i-door convert michael marino

 
Where are you getting this from? Your "Sayidka" did nothing of the sort. The British were therefore before his "rebellion" and converted no-one into gaalo's, and were there for another 40 years after they beat him and still didn't convert anyone into gaalo's. How did a man defeated by the gaalo's, stop others from becoming gaalo's exactly?

You strike me as a bit of a mental midget.


Shut up i-door boy, no need for cuqdad ridden creatures,

He saved i-doors from being turned into gaallo

i-door convert michael marino

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Akhas, your a deluded little qabiileste aren't you?

Your Sayidka got humiliated by the British. All he did was cause the unnecessary deaths of thousands of innoncent Muslims at the hands of the Gaalo.

Michael Mariano's was a gaal because one of his parents was a gaal. In the end he reverted to Islam before he died.

Stop worshipping qabiil dude, and get a life.
 

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Informative topic, I wish we can have discussions and dialogues without using bad language or turning it to qabiil war. :)
 
From what I have noticed, it’s just never ending tit for tat, I wish we could control our emotions and sometimes learn to overlook anything that can cause u to respond negatively:)
True. And I am as guilty as any. I think the online aspect is a big part of it. For some reason the worst parts of us come alive when we discuss things online.
 

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Im sure he didnt steal anything from the country I know personal stories of people who lived in his house and can attest to that aspect of him.

but there is little denying his other major issues namely collective punishment and undying thirst for power.

besides id rather he steal a few million than introduce his clan and others to Jubbaland now we are forced to correct that :francis:
 

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