Move the capital to Baidoa?

[mohamedismail]

If OG and Mx are not united how can D&M be united? Get the point! if Baydhabo becomes important the D&M will fight on on it like Hawiye in Xamar, therefore, those who are closer to Xamar will resort to Hawiye. Caydiid had Eelay Governor for Baay. Garre and Jiido fight over Qoryooley, D&M/Baydhabo backs Jiido so Garre resorted to Hawiye claiming to be Samaale and made them the governor of lower shabelle. These alliances will exist forever.

That doesn't make sense since Baidoa is currently caasimad kmg and nobody is fighting over it. Any problems that occur will be handled with agreement with different clans.

 

[convincation]

Tell your Delusional Gubbet aka Voltage to do some USC research. South of Baydhabo is Pro USC and Hawiye can take over it easily. Is not your point to run from Hawiye? atleast suggest somewhere North of Baay like Bakool wich has border with the D&M of Gedo. D&M will annex Gedo if they get too powerful shar aad u yeeranaysaan sida HG mudug ay idinku noqon

Some of eelay like Naasiye are associated with hawiye. Gaaljecel from walanwayn stretches till buurhakaba and share border with Garre at balidogle l. Garre goes up to qoryooley and behind them eelaay all these were pro Caydiid in the 90s. North of Baydho is anti hawiye like leesaan, hadaamo, hariin. Hawiye will use eelaay in Baydhabo if the capital was moved to it.

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I heard there is an Ajuran-Eelay connection where a few of the Eelay subclans are assimilated Ajuran. Maybe this is where their association with Hawiye comes from

 

[mohamedismail]

I heard there is an Ajuran-Eelay connection where a few of the Eelay subclans are assimilated Ajuran. Maybe this is where their association with Hawiye comes from

It's one subclans called Waalmuge and they joined Eelaay after the ajuuraan empire collapsed. Also ajuuraan isn't hawiye.

 

[convincation]

It's one subclans called Waalmuge and they joined Eelaay after the ajuuraan empire collapsed. Also ajuuraan isn't hawiye.

They themselves will tell you they trace to Jambeele Hawiye, unless your implying you know their lineage better than they do

 

[mohamedismail]

They themselves will tell you they trace to Jambeele Hawiye, unless your implying you know their lineage better than they do

I've also heard many claim Samaale origins.

Abtirsi.com : Kunle Walmuge Ajuran

www.abtirsi.com

 

[convincation]

I've also heard many claim Samaale origins.

Abtirsi.com : Kunle Walmuge Ajuran

www.abtirsi.com

This stuff is new. Look back at historical sources on the Ajuran and their empire and you will find that the fabric the empire itself was based on power sharing between the 6 sons of Hawiye

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

I heard there is an Ajuran-Eelay connection where a few of the Eelay subclans are assimilated Ajuran. Maybe this is where their association with Hawiye comes from

Other than waalamoge who else? If you mean the Maadanle then they're not ajuran rather just allied with them in the past

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

I've also heard many claim Samaale origins.

Abtirsi.com : Kunle Walmuge Ajuran

www.abtirsi.com

What's known is that they're from Caalam Baalcad, after that is where the difference comes

 

[mohamedismail]

What's known is that they're from Caalam Baalcad, after that is where the difference comes

Is there any sources that support that ajuuraan is Hawiye. @convincation is adamant that Ajuuraan is a decendent of Hawiye.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Is there any sources that support that ajuuraan is Hawiye. @convincation is adamant that Ajuuraan is a decendent of Hawiye.

So that would mean either Baalcad is from Jambeele or Fatima is from Jambeele can't be both