Modern Islam

[DR OSMAN]

I don't think for one moment Islam the religion sucks, it has had it's up's and downs through-out history like any other religion. In-fact if you measure the good and bad it has done, the good has been more. People tend to exagerrate over a few bad incidents or events in history or today(terrorism) and seem to dismiss a concept that shaped our views of ourselves and our purpose and place in the world.

So I don't hate Islam, but I do question insanity if I see it. I am not the type who will just listen to someone 'words' even if he is so 'nice and friendly' in-fact I become more 'suspicious' when someone is 'nice and friendly' and makes me 'question' them more. There is no reason you should be 'nice and friendly' to me when you don't know me or I didn't earn it, so it's either 'fake' or it's 'tactic' to achieve something. So the guys who sing 'somalinimo' for example are the ones I study the most to find 'proof' of their actions doesn't match their 'words'.

I actually prefer the one who insults me first runti, because I know where I stand with them, there is no need to 'second guess'. But as Modern Day Muslims and I have to admit and I tell muslims the truth. I believe in Islam but not your 'Islam'. The reason I say that is, I don't read my Islam from Islamic teachers who 'selectively' choose which 'scholars' of the past to 'interpret' their Islam from. I also am no fan of Modern Islam especially since the colonial era 1920's up untill 2020 has been nothing short of disgusting, simplistic, aggressive, puritan. It reminds me of Dark age Europeans who were exactly the same untill 'knowledge' arrived for them and they began establishing 'academias'.

But the real reason that makes me 'dismiss' Modern Islam is, the nations reading Islam in the mosque to me do not show me any 'confidence' they are educated. They provide not a single knowledge, theory, invention for the world. If they are correct in 'religion' surely we would also see you 'leading' the world in the 'knowledge' arena. I suspect they are following a wrong islam because why are you failing to produce anything as evidence for the world if your supreme intelligence? your intelligence appears low and therefore it is fair to conclude your spiritual or religious knowledge is low because it's using the same 'brain' right? you can't have high religious knowledge and low invention knowledge yet be the same brain at the same time. U see? That's why I dismiss Modern Islam, even though there are 'some' who are educated and good and their interesting to listen too but they are 'rare'.

As for the political ambitious ones who want to use 'religion' to rule, I am against them 100%. I hate political Islamist, their trying to rule people not because he is the best knowledgable person, but because he spent his life reading the quran. I do not want to see people given positions of knowledge and expertise because of his religious belief, this is insanity. Imagine doctor being doctor cuz he is religious person and the govt 'approves' him, the disaster on humanity.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I argue for modern islam to exist, they need to encourage and promote environments where knowledge is absent, chaos is the norm, and strong man rule. Similar to dark age europe, this simplistic type of religion can only exist in structure of simple world. That is my theory why muslim nations are backwards, it's their environment not set up for excellence and focus towards innovation and knowledge, the religious zealots fear 'knowledge' as it makes them lose grip on society who start to question their backwardness like dark age europeans did with the church.

Finally the Muslim brain isn't two or three, you have one brain. That brain and the way you interpret islam if it is indeed correct way as you believe, u should also demonstrate to the world your superior brain in the field of knowledges of the world, not only have 4 nobels for 1.5 billion ppl. So surely you guys have to 'tanasul' on your ISLAM may indeed be wrong interpretation as god is showing u that you are the worst ppl and dumbest and poorest societies of the world today. Your nothing like Islamic spain/iraq/syria who proved their knowledge of the world increased and their islamic knowledge adapted also since the brain power was fed CILM. Hadith badan ba jirta telling u seek CILM before you read the quran or your jahil reading it. The brain needs nurturing first.

 

[Invader]

Wahhabism is sooo extreme I don’t think it’s the true version of Islam. It’s been made by the Sauds not to preach a better version Islam but to strengthen their grip over their people. Thank God Somaliweyn isn’t like that especially Djibouti.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Wahhabism is sooo extreme I don’t think it’s the true version of Islam. It’s been made by the Sauds not to preach a better version Islam but to strengthen their grip over their people. Thank God Somaliweyn isn’t like that especially Djibouti.

We can do sample test. Place textbook of knowledge of the world and ask them to explain the knowledge and how they can 'add' or 'contribute' further to the theory, philosophy, or even debunk it and replace it with something better. Watch that nigga 'go blank'. Yet put the quran in front of him and he thinks he knows it so well and right. But then u show him how he even can't demonstrate proof on human knowledge should make him doubt his knowledge on the quran also. LOL. The moral behind the test is your brain is 1, the knowledge in front of you is two sets of knowledge, if you were indeed right you would pass both with flying colours not fail one and pass another, because y our brain isn't multiple brains, it's' singular, you should either fail both or pass both. I hope u get it.

As for the political islamist I don't think they are huge threat as the people can see thru their lies of seeking power using the quran as a vehicle to silence opposition, they want power over people, it's got nothing to do with religion for them, waa inay wax uu taliyan weeye and they know they lack in impressing people with knowledge so they feel the only way out is to use religion. The ones that make me worry are the ulama or the ones who actually have an audience, not the political islamist who are running around using multiple tactics to spread their power, it's also not feasible, they will always be fringe group like on the 'outer' mainstream of society, u can see their numbers are low like the KKK weeye.

 

[Ayubi]

As for the political ambitious ones who want to use 'religion' to rule, I am against them 100%. I hate political Islamist.

Why would you be against Allah’s law? Allah is the best of judges and we should rule according to his laws and his messenger Muhammad (saw).

 

[DR OSMAN]

Why would you be against Allah’s law? Allah is the best of judges and we should rule according to his laws and his messenger Muhammad (saw).

I am not going against the law of allah but the ppl who want to rule me with it I am against. If it's so good afghanistan would be the hub of human knowledge when taliban ruled, not the cesspool of the world like dark age europe. Niyahow is gabo. Cilmi ma haysato iyo inaad taliso ba rabta, waxay keenaysa sida afghanistan taliban inay islamka noqdan. The best nations in the world today are western and jewish, cilmi bay bartan kow adiguna illahi. How can u understand quran when u cant understand medicine field or technology field? waba cilmi yar oo aduun ah baad fahmi wayde, u think u understand the quran sxb? waa been weeye, jahil ba tahay oo iska dhadhaciyay inaad islamka taqanid mana taqanid ama xaarkaga manta ma cunteen.

I would love to debate pan islamist on somali tv cuz you are right they are reality in the world ma diidayo taas, in somalia they have strong economic influence especially bakaraha and bosaso but what I argue bro is it's not real power, symbolic. The ppl still run to clan first, noone runs to masjid ama imam, marka ma haysto awoodasi sida lebanon oo qof walbo masjidkisa uu carara shia, sunni, christian markay dagaal dhacdo, because their identity is religious, i know u seek too achieve this in somalia lakin the chances of it happening waa NIL, because the second i see niin hawiye ama isaaq meeshasi ku jiro, i will go back to tolkayga iga wayn masjidkina beenta ah oo raba inay naga tirtiran awoowasheena iyo waxan ku nool ahay. It wasnt even successful in yemen who gets guns not for islam but for tribes

 

[haramcadd]

islam in general sucks

 

[DR OSMAN]

islam in general sucks

What's the other option a fuckin vacuum with no moral guidance and have the 'state' tell me what is right or wrong? yeah right nigga, i dont seek my spiritual guidance from my fellow man. Plus no god means aborigine lifestyle u will just follow whatever others r doing around u, that's another form of gumaysi. Islam is great religion it's going thru bad period waryaa isku xishoo. This is the identity my awoowe were, if u sell out on your ancestors, ur following what jews want, to prove u r not chosen ppl, u evolve like an ape.

I ain't fully secularist because of ppl like u, like i will listen to you about my place in life looooool, might as well worship pharoah or emperor cuz that's what happens when u lack religious guidance, u worship others, once u do that your slave of the mind. Islam must stay at all times to guide me morally, lakin dhinaca siyasada waa inay ka baxan iyo arimaha aduunka that is my only beef with them not to eliminate islam u dumb c*nt and become like u an 'cawaan'

 

[haramcadd]

@DR OSMAN

yeah nigga muh recent ancestors chose to be muslim. and i choose not to be

 

[DR OSMAN]

If it wasn't for Islam i would be under yoke of jews singing for them like u, I onl

@DR OSMAN

yeah nigga muh recent ancestors chose to be muslim. and i choose not to be

It doesn't matter what u choose cause u just enter a vacuum of no space, u die out bro unless u transition to some other system to guide u and u just follow white ppl nigga. Ur easy to conquer i know ur strategy dee, to study yor master. I dont spread religion, i want u dead nigga not having god because i want u down to human control and then i own u since u have no god u have to look at the earth. Weak ba tahay maskaxiyan, religious ppl are not. U r easy for whites to control, house negro. I respect religious ppl waa inay keliya arimaha aduunka uu dhaafan ppl the smart ppl

 

[haramcadd]

@DR OSMAN

what does not being muslim have to do with following white people?

and how does making personal decisions on what is right and wrong make me "conquered" or being controlled?

also you write as if you speak ebonics IRL:siilaanyosmile:

moreover, aren't most africans conquered since they accepted islam by force? through slavery? how does it make any difference with somalis being islamized through trade?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Yo @Teeri-Alpha see why we want hawiye/isaaq under our control? they criticize everything but do not talk about something better or something to transition too, so it creates vacuum and chaos. Like this guy 'islam suck kulaha' bal aar ha sheego something better, to criticize just leaves a vacuum like 91 did, i hate siyad but then enter 30 years of vacuum. All africans are like this except the mighty majerten who see this. Imagine u said I hate the UN, then whats the alternative NO UN, what does that lead too? another somalia world wide. African americans do it too, hate whitey, but whats alternative he shuts up, it's a vacuum sxb. Ma haystan 'xal' dadkani waa dad gumaysan.
@haramcadd just keep on criticizing, noone takes that serious cause we know it just leads to vacuum like your ancestors always do, and its jungle time. We must control u the MAJERTEN at all times, thats why we lead in the diaspora and your in ghetto, you sit there criticizing sxb, cay ma aha waxba, look at your culture CAY DAROD WEEYE, LAKIN EVERYTHING WAA DAROD AND THEN VACUUM. DAROD BA KU LEH SXB IN SOMALIA,

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN

what does not being muslim have to do with following white people?

and how does making personal decisions on what is right and wrong make me "conquered" or being controlled?

also you write as if you speak ebonics IRL:siilaanyosmile:

moreover, aren't most africans conquered since they accepted islam by force? through slavery? how does it make any difference with somalis being islamized through trade?

Bro just keep your jabhad iyo darod waa na haysta nonsense up, you will always be like that in Somalia, u wont ever be able to run things, its darod or vacuum in Somalia. We own u bro, always have, the reason is your culture isma badeshan, u dont add growth, u just copy your ancestors who were the ones we conquered, but their next generation repeats it while darod grows further to change at all times, so the edge is always us. It's over bro, you r not culture of growth, waxad t ahay culture halkeedi joggo mar walbo and u sit there and cry discrimination in somalia and darod fear. The only option u provide is vacuum like it is now

 

[haramcadd]

@DR OSMAN

nigga you responding like i know anything about somali history/culture/clans

 

[DR OSMAN]

@haramcadd no offence bro this is a bit higher level talking between me and @Teeri-Alpha I get your FKD and I do it sometimes for 'relief' to get things of my chest, but please do not ruin the thread, there is heaps more to FKD in and be Constant 'mucurad' with no alternative 'solution' which means Jungle time your views which is how u always lived dee, but I don't wanna live like that, there is no possible growth thru chaos, it cancels out everything u do. U build, then u destroy, it's back to zero at all times due to no 'structure' because u don't propose one. U speak on criticising the existing structure only like your ancestors always did like peasants do. Ur not 'elite' type of clan no offence ur more the one who has to be ruled at all times or else u create a vacuum cause your not intelligent enough to create a system since your very tribal or one sided your mind isn't developed enough to see what may come from your ideas and so forth. U dont follow mathamatics or any proven sciences but your FKD

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN

nigga you responding like i know anything about somali history/culture/clans

Lets go to university together as proof, I will point to my professor and say 'professor' This guy continously is opposition and rejecting everything suggested but he never provides an alternative that is better, what does this create? He will say there would no academics if we just changed all philosophies of fields based on someone just saying it 'sucks' loooooool, it means no philosophy to ground our field on because u never provide an alternative. I don't know how u ever went to university, because I wanna see your 'transcripts' you can't pass with your mindset of hating everything but having no solution cause it's means nothing that in solution. Your thread should be purely about 'solutions' not criticism of existing solutions. Criticise all u want but don't criticise till u have something better and can prove it, u must work within the system bro, u may love or hate it, but the alternative is somalia vacuum space. Darod are smarter then you, why are the threads here always darods who propose shit? the isaaq and hawiye just sit there and criticise not following the structure and n idaam of the world. How do u get a job, u must not be able too, hence work low industries with that mindset as you can't join higher sectors thinking like u do. May Darod continue to provide solutions may cadowga continue to oppose and then we can present that to the world as he just a ankle biter but has no solution and thru that we can argue that we deserve the world backing cause your b acking isaaq/hawiye who are not proposing shit but a vacuum. I am trying to help hawiye/isaaq to lift up their game because it's in my interest to have a society based on knowledge so we can continously get more sophisticated thru learning. The other option is DAROD ELITE AND IRIR PEASANTS.

 

[haramcadd]

@DR OSMAN
ok firstly im darod myself. though i don't really care

secondly, didn't you just tell me to leave? because of your high iq conversation with someone else?

thirdly, there is a better solution to islam, following what your gut tells you

 

[Ayubi]

@DR OSMAN
ok firstly im darod myself. though i don't really care

secondly, didn't you just tell me to leave? because of your high iq conversation with someone else?

thirdly, there is a better solution to islam, following what your gut tells you

Are you an Atheist or an Agnostic?

 

[haramcadd]

Are you an Atheist or an Agnostic?

neither. im just living

 

[P4$t0]

islam in general sucks