Mayor Mooge Says All Somalis, Africans & Arabs Can Invest In Somaliland! Goal To Turn Somaliland Into Cosmopolitan Society Beyond Clan Politics!

[Kool-Aid]

Interesting!

@Almis @Garaad Awal @Itsnotthateasy @Lander

 

[Yami]

The Mooge brothers would be proud.

 

[Dalac Bilaash]

This guy is very mature polite and educated unlike these khat addicted old qabiilists in charge

 

[Almis]

We welcome everybody regardless of their background its when you pull that somalinimo bs when your ass gonna be deported. Dabcasar is a perfect example of that.

 

[Angelina]

We welcome everybody regardless of their background its when you pull that somalinimo bs when your ass gonna be deported. Dabcasar is a perfect example of that.

Why are you on a Somali site if you don’t believe in Somalinimo?

Every Somali apart from crazy qabilists believes in the Somalinimo. Somalinimo goes beyond nation borders and tribes. Example, Djibouti is respected as a sovereign nation, but have a shared Somalinimo with Somalis from Somalia whom they are a different country to.

My biggest issue with some SL extremists is not the fact that they want to be a different country, but the denial of Somalinimo. You never see that with the older gen apart from crazy politicians and even they don’t believe in that B.S truly.

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

The Mooge brothers would be proud.

The man single handedly developed Eastern H-town

 

[Almis]

Why are you on a Somali site if you don’t believe in Somalinimo?

Every Somali apart from crazy qabilists believes in the Somalinimo. Somalinimo goes beyond nation borders and tribes. Example, Djibouti is respected as a sovereign nation, but have a shared Somalinimo with Somalis from Somalia whom they are a different country to.

My biggest issue with some SL extremists is not the fact that they want to be a different country, but the denial of Somalinimo. You never see that with the older gen apart from crazy politicians and even they don’t believe in that B.S truly.

Because Somalinimo is pure munafqinimo and qabyalad covered up as nationalism and its a card somalis love to use against every decision Isaaq takes. In 2018 The Somali government wholly oppose the DPW Berbera deal and promised to nullify the deal internationally because Berbera belongs to all somalis however, they were fine with Bosaso port having a similar deal with a subcontract of DPW.

You guys expect us to accept your hypocrisy like everything is just fine and call us cuqdad when we call you out. We all saw the bs riwaayad you guys preformed when the MoU was signed at that same month 2 explosions happened in Mog and walhi no body even talked about, no government officials or community leaders. it was just swept under the rug like always.

Let me ask you a question. What value does your so called Somalinimo have if the Somalis are being bombed on monthly basis and Foreign troops are controlling the whole south? why haven't we seen the same reaction against those issue as we seen against the MoU?

 

[Angelina]

Because Somalinimo is pure munafqinimo and qabyalad covered up as nationalism and its a card somalis love to use against every decision Isaaq takes.

Not that I agree with them since I believe in an independent Somaliland, provided that minorities get a choice, the GOV was against it since they don’t believe in SL’s right to to govern themselves and create deals without their permission. That’s pretty obvious. They don’t see the SL government as a legitimate governing body. The same way SL wouldn’t approve of Dhulos doing any deals since they’re part of British SL. We have to be honest here and that’s the issue.

In 2018 The Somali government wholly oppose the DPW Berbera deal and promised to nullify the deal internationally because Berbera belongs to all somalis however, they were fine with Bosaso port having a similar deal with a subcontract of DPW.

Isaaq? I thought Somaliand was a nation that wasn’t about Qabil? Love how the narrative changes.

You guys

Who is You guys? Do you know what region I hail from or tribe? I only ever talk about my mothers Southern qabil for privacy sake.

expect us to accept your hypocrisy like everything is just fine and call us cuqdad when we call you out. We all saw the bs riwaayad you guys preformed when the MoU was signed at that same month 2 explosions happened in Mog and walhi no body even talked about, no government officials or community leaders. it was just swept under the rug like always.

Let me ask you a question. What value does your so called Somalinimo have if the Somalis are being bombed on monthly basis and Foreign troops are controlling the whole south? why haven't we seen the same reaction against those issue as we seen against the MoU?

Somalinimo is above politics and qabil. You are talking about the political class and those at the top making decisions for the masses. I’m talking about Somalis as an ethnic group. In the real world, people don’t think like you. Somalis have been intermarrying for centuries, sharing a language, a heritage and when abroad especially when around foreigners, Somalis gravitate towards each other whether the individual is Cisse, Isaaq, Hawiye and the like.

 

[Almis]

Isaaq? I thought Somaliand was a nation that wasn’t about Qabil? Love how the narrative changes.

Who is You guys? Do you know what region I hail from or tribe? I only ever talk about my mothers Southern qabil for privacy sake.

Somalinimo is above politics and qabil. You are talking about the political class and those at the top making decisions for the masses. I’m talking about Somalis as an ethnic group. In the real world, people don’t think like you. Somalis have been intermarrying for centuries, sharing a language, a heritage and when abroad especially when around foreigners, Somalis gravitate towards each other whether the individual is Cisse, Isaaq, Hawiye and the like.

Sxb lets cut the bullshit, we wouldn't be arguing if Somalilnimo was limited to the culture and walaltimo its when somalinimo becomes a political tool that we have a problem with it. Somalis in K5 and NFD who embraced their Ethiopian and Kenyan identity and language are somehow considered somalis but the ones in Hargeysa where purest form of somali culture is at in terms of suugaan, fan iyo ciyaar dhaqameed are labeled Somalidiid. Why is that? because the term Somalinimo has nothing to do with culture and everything to do with politics.

Hared asked a good question, what is the definition of somalinimo?. Is it ethnical or political or cultural?. it always starts with Somali waa isku dad (culturally) and ends up with Somali ma kala go'i karto ( politically) and thats where the munafiqnimo begins.

 

[Arkan]

Nonsense. If those that are investing aren't able to field candidates nor vote then whats the point? I say this as a Samaroon whose clan just opened a university in Hargeisa today but still can't do either. On top of other businesses we have in Hargeisa.

Everyone should invest in to their own lands. #BuildYourDhul

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

Nonsense. If those that are investing aren't able to field candidates nor vote then whats the point? I say this as a Samaroon whose clan just opened a university in Hargeisa today but still can't do either.

Everyone should invest in to their own lands. #BuildYourDhul

A hunnid

 

[Angelina]

Sxb lets cut the bullshit, we wouldn't be arguing if Somalilnimo was limited to the culture and walaltimo its when somalinimo becomes a political tool that we have a problem with it.

I don’t see Somalinimo as a political tool as I believe that Somalis can be from different nations but their ethnic pride and love for their culture and people should be at the forefront. Borders are colonial man made concepts that didn’t exist a mere century ago, but our shared heritage spans at least a millennia.

Somalis in K5 and NFD who embraced their Ethiopian and Kenyan identity and language are somehow considered somalis but the ones in Hargeysa where purest form of somali culture is at in terms of suugaan, fan iyo ciyaar dhaqameed are labeled Somalidiid. Why is that? because the term Somalinimo has nothing to do with culture and everything to do with politics.

I’ve only ever seen the Somalidid concept online. Never heard of it before this yr, I’ll be honest and I’ll someone who’s around different tribes constantly. I’m a bit sheltered when it comes to tribal and political matters and I’m usually in the general sector. As for Reer Hargesia it is known they have a very traditional Somali dhaqan and the ones I personally know are fiercely proud of their Somali heritage. What I do see as Somalidid are the new weirdos I’m seeing online who say stuff like Southerners are different or Isaaqs don’t share much similarities with X which simply don’t logically make sense. I never see those types in real life anyway since a lot of northerner have Darood and Hawiye family members and we don’t see them as different.

Hared asked a good question, what is the definition of somalinimo?. Is it ethnical or political or cultural?. it always starts with Somali waa isku dad (culturally) and ends up with Somali ma kala go'i karto ( politically) and thats where the munafiqnimo begins.

For me it’s totally ethnical and cultural. I don’t kid myself in thinking I have the same political agendas as a Djiboutian but I do believe as Somalis we should put each put each other first. Also, the idea of Somali man kala go’ karto isn’t correct as Djibouti has and it’s been 50yrs they’re been their own nation. Even if we all become separate nations, I’d want our relationship to be as strong as like say the UK and America. Strong allies who’ll always have each other’s back.

But one think I have to add that makes me scratch my head is, surely it’s hypocritical for you to disdain the Somalis that block SL’s independence but at the same believe that SL had a right to fight Dhulos who wanted their one independence or join with Somalia? It’s hypocrisy like this that just confuses me indeed.

 

[Almis]

Nonsense. If those that are investing aren't able to field candidates nor vote then whats the point? I say this as a Samaroon whose clan just opened a university in Hargeisa today but still can't do either. On top of other businesses we have in Hargeisa.

Everyone should invest in to their own lands. #BuildYourDhul

What samaroon was not allowed to run as a candidate? Are you talking about presidential candidates or local government candidates? Because it would not make any sense for a samaroon to run in hargeisa district elections. Who would he represent? Isn’t thats the main purpose of district election. I do also agree to invest in your own land because who else would do.

 

[Almis]

I don’t see Somalinimo as a political tool as I believe that Somalis can be from different nations but their ethnic pride and love for their culture and people should be at the forefront. Borders are colonial man made concepts that didn’t exist a mere century ago, but our shared heritage spans at least a millennia.

I’ve only ever seen the Somalidid concept online. Never heard of it before this yr, I’ll be honest and I’ll someone who’s around different tribes constantly. I’m a bit sheltered when it comes to tribal and political matters and I’m usually in the general sector. As for Reer Hargesia it is known they have a very traditional Somali dhaqan and the ones I personally know are fiercely proud of their Somali heritage. What I do see as Somalidid are the new weirdos I’m seeing online who say stuff like Southerners are different or Isaaqs don’t share much similarities with X which simply don’t logically make sense. I never see those types in real life anyway since a lot of northerner have Darood and Hawiye family members and we don’t see them as different.

For me it’s totally ethnical and cultural. I don’t kid myself in thinking I have the same political agendas as a Djiboutian but I do believe as Somalis we should put each put each other first. Also, the idea of Somali man kala go’ karto isn’t correct as Djibouti has and it’s been 50yrs they’re been their own nation. Even if we all become separate nations, I’d want our relationship to be as strong as like say the UK and America. Strong allies who’ll always have each other’s back.

But one think I have to add that makes me scratch my head is, surely it’s hypocritical for you to disdain the Somalis that block SL’s independence but at the same believe that SL had a right to fight Dhulos who wanted their one independence or join with Somalia? It’s hypocrisy like this that just confuses me indeed.

Sxb if we had more people thinking like you that issue wouldn’t be a problem but sadly reality is far from this. You might not be aware of somali politics but the term (somalidiid and gaalraac) are referred to Isaaq despite other qabiils sabotaging somalis in every way possible . Even Ilhaan was calling us “dadka isku sheega somali” while she divorced her somali husband and married a jew. All in all, we have no issue with anyone and everyone is welcomed to Hargeisa as long as you keep you political views to yourself.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Why are you on a Somali site if you don’t believe in Somalinimo?

To defend his nation against Somalis from Somalia. We are denying you of your echo chamber

 

[Angelina]

To defend his nation against Somalis from Somalia. We are denying you of your echo chamber

What’s ironic about you is that you’re the quintessential backward geelgire found in every Somali inhabited city. Embrace your Somalinimo since you behave like a wayward qabilist. That unfortunately is the traditional Somali way. You have more in common with a Jabarti as you call them and a mad qabilist Hawiye. In fact, you remind me of adeeros who spend their Friday evenings doing FKD with other middle aged odeys from different tribes instead of going home to their families.

 

[Arkan]

What samaroon was not allowed to run as a candidate? Are you talking about presidential candidates or local government candidates? Because it would not make any sense for a samaroon to run in hargeisa district elections. Who would he represent? Isn’t thats the main purpose of district election. I do also agree to invest in your own land because who else would do.

Local elections. With the way Mayor Mooge is talking about things it would make sense to open local elections for non Hargeisa natives if he really cares about turning the city into a cosmopolitan society.

Who would he represent?

There's thousands of Samaroon in Hargeisa. I myself am Samaroon born and bred in Hargeisa as are half of my family.

 

[Garaad Awal]

What’s ironic about you is that you’re the quintessential backward geelgire found in every Somali inhabited city.

Nothing backwards about me, I am anti-corruption and want responsible governance & economic development for my people.

Embrace your Somalinimo since you behave like a wayward qabilist.

Somalinimo never existed.

You have more in common with a Jabarti as you call them and a mad qabilist Hawiye.

You are entitled to your opinion. My people have a completely different culture compared to those two ethnicities.

In fact, you remind me of adeeros who spend their Friday evenings doing FKD with other middle aged odeys from different tribes instead of going home to their families.

I'm at home with my family

 

[Angelina]

Nothing backwards about me, I am anti-corruption and want responsible governance & economic development for my people.

We all want that. Doesn’t me you special but you’re boiling with hatred that limits your logic and honesty.

Also, you’re so backwards you can’t even stop yourself from being qabilist to your fellow Isaaqs. You’re out here insulting HY sometimes. Typical Geelgire, when the other enemy isn’t around, you turn on other sub-tribes.

Somalinimo never existed.

Somalinimo is simply shared ethnicity language and culture. You can’t deny it. Also, well before colonization, European explorers that stubbled across Isaaqs said that they described themselves as…Somali. The Somalis were clearly a homogeneous ethnic group and the people explorers like Burton came across very much had that mindset. The Somalis of old clearly saw a distinction between themselves as Somalis and ajnabis like the Ethiopians. That is why an Isaaq, an Cisse and a Hawiye called themselves Somali in the face of foreigners and that’s more than 30 years before colonization.


Also, no qabil was united. Heck you as a Habr Awal certainly wasn’t united with let’s say a HJ. But that doesn’t stop you from wanting to form a united country with Samaroon and other Northern Daroods, nor does it stop your people from fighting HY.

You are entitled to your opinion. My people have a completely different culture compared to those two ethnicities.

HA most definitely don’t have a different culture to Nomadic Hawiyes and Daroods. Don’t be silly. Do you have a different culture to a Dhulo or a Warsengeli? Your ethnicity is Somali, your language is Somali and many of your people are nomadic the same as the vast majority of Daroods and Hawiye.

I'm at home with my family and my boy will grow up to be a proud Somalilander who is proud of his clan heritage. I'm a SL nationalist who wants what's best for my people. If that's a crime then I am guilty

You’re not an SL nationalist as you can’t stand those that also inhabit your nation, namely Dirs and the Daroods. Hence you’re a tribalist on steroids. Grow up.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

We all want that. Doesn’t me you special but you’re boiling with hatred that limits your logic and honesty.

Also, you’re so backwards you can’t even stop yourself from being qabilist to your fellow Isaaqs. You’re out here insulting HY sometimes. Typical Geelgire, when the other enemy isn’t around, you turn on other sub-tribes.


Somalinimo is simply shared ethnicity language and culture. You can’t deny it. Also, well before colonization, European explorers that stubbled across Isaaqs said that they described themselves as…Somali. The Somalis were clearly a homogeneous ethnic group and the people explorers like Burton came across very much had that mindset. The Somalis of old clearly saw a distinction between themselves as Somalis and ajnabis like the Ethiopians. That is why an Isaaq, an Cisse and a Hawiye called themselves Somali in the face of foreigners and that’s more than 30 years before colonization.


Also, no qabil was united. Heck you as a Habr Awal certainly wasn’t United with let’s say a HJ. But that doesn’t stop you from to form a united country with Samaroon and other Northern Daroods, nor does it stop your people from fighting HY.



HA most definitely don’t have a different culture to Nomadic Hawiyes and Daroods. Don’t be silly. Do you have a different culture to a Dhulo or a Warsengeli? Your ethnicity is Somali, your language is Somali and many of your people are nomadic the same way as the vast majority of Daroods and Hawiye. HA isn’t an ethnicity and it’s not as if you feel united with HY anyway. You’re that mad.

You’re not an SL nationalist as you can’t stand those that also inhabit your nation, namely Dirs and the Daroods. Hence you’re a tribalist on steroids. Grow up.

So according to @Garaad Awal every somali tribe is an ethnicity, wouldnt that make every somali mixed race since all tribes intermarry?