Many things in Islam seem unnecessary

[Marsh]

Since Qadr exists and Allah already knows every thing that has and will happen things like angels writing down all that we do seem a bit unnecessary. Also the day of judgement which is a crazy time of horror seem kind of like a charade since the decisions are already known.

 

[Marsh]

Mods move to this religion pls.

 

[Juke]

Since Qadr exists and Allah already knows every thing that has and will happen things like angels writing down all that we do seem a bit unnecessary. Also the day of judgement which is a crazy time of horror seem kind of like a charade since the decisions are already known.

Who knows why the angels write down? You think it's unnecessary but maybe you'll get a copy in akhira.

Maybe it's supposed to act as extra deterrent from doing haram, as if someone is looking over your shoulder.

 

[Marsh]

Who knows why the angels write down? You think it's unnecessary but maybe you'll get a copy in akhira.

Maybe it's supposed to act as extra deterrent from doing haram, as if someone is looking over your shoulder.

The reasons for them writing stuff down in Islam is they will be present to tell Allah of our good and bad deeds but Allah already knows that info hence my question.

 

[Juke]

The reasons for them writing stuff down in Islam is they will be present to tell Allah of our good and bad deeds but Allah already knows that info hence my question.

That's a fair trial, mans should hear what they're being charged with.

 

[Ferrari]

Existence itself is unnecessary. Yet we exist.

But heres a thought experiment. Say you believe God exists. You then have to acknowledge he created you, your mind, you thoughts, your logic, you brain, your morality. Therefore, how can you question God?

free will you maggot.

 

[Xasusi]

free will you maggot.

Think before you post "maggot".

 

[Cyrus]

Allah is a supreme deity so he is powerful enough to make anything happen. Things that may seem arbitrary/unnecessary like Angel writing down our sins etc shows that Alalh still commans his makhluq to act according to his will. Angels serve a specific purpose and they all play their part.


Day of Judgment decisions are already known ofc but lets remember Allah is the most just so he will give each soul its recompense

 

[Ferrari]

Think before you post "maggot".

listen maggot, Allah gave you free which will which is why you are able to question his existence.
it wouldn't make sense to burn people and shit if our actions weren't by choice.
maggot

 

[Marsh]

That's a fair trial, mans should hear what they're being charged with.

But would't Allah be a fair judge

 

[CaliTedesse]

Since Qadr exists and Allah already knows every thing that has and will happen things like angels writing down all that we do seem a bit unnecessary. Also the day of judgement which is a crazy time of horror seem kind of like a charade since the decisions are already known.

Allah swt knows everything before it is done, his power is not comprehensible, but you still have the free will to make your own choices as a human, but before you make your choice he would already have known it. This life is a test which is what we believe in and when Adam (AS) was created Allah swt revealed that there would be a day of judgement. The angels keep record of humans and their sins and good deeds as proof for when they get resurrected.

 

[Juke]

But would't Allah be a fair judge

Why not? God did not compel you to do wrong, you did it of your own volition.

 

[Cyrus]

The reasons for them writing stuff down in Islam is they will be present to tell Allah of our good and bad deeds but Allah already knows that info hence my question.

That stuff is presented to us in yawmul qiyama when the books are being given. Allah doesnt need it

 

[Marsh]

Allah swt knows everything before it is done, his power is comprehensible, but you still have the free will to make your own choices as a human, but before you make your choice he would already have known it. This life is a test which is what we believe in and when Adam (AS) was created Allah swt revealed that there would be a day of judgement. The angels keep record of humans and their sins and good deeds as proof for when they get resurrected.

Though I have my opinions on free will that is not what i am trying to say, My point is about having a day of judgment where the Judge already knows everything that is going to happen. Would this be unnecessary.

 

[Ferrari]

Nothing in my post disputes that. Im saying how can you questions God, when you say you believe in the Quran and his existence.

Of course you can "question" his existence. You either lack reading comprehension, or the mental faculties to understand language.

I even put an obvious qualifier at the start of my post.

listen kid, you aren't too smart for Allah.

go pray two rak'a and ask Allah to guide you.

 

[Marsh]

Why not? God did not compel you to do wrong, you did it of your own volition.

You said we need angels to have a fair trial and I said if God knows everything and is Just the angels are quite useless.

 

[CaliTedesse]

Though I have my opinions on free will that is not what i am trying to say, My point is about having a day of judgment where the Judge already knows everything that is going to happen. Would this be unnecessary.

Brother asked a good question. Dr Zakir Naik Voice

Brother says :Why are their angels recording peoples good and bad deeds if Allah swt knows everything?

Brother firstly the angels record good and bad deeds as I comprehend for the person and not for Allah swt.
These good deeds and bad deeds will be showcased in front of the resurrected individual. This is all for the individual, because at the end of the day Allah swt is the judge and even one with many bad deeds can be granted access to Paradise only by Allah (swt) mercy, since he knows all.

Hope I have answered your question brother. Dr Zakir Naik Voice


Disclaimer: In no way do I represent a person fully immersed in Islamic history and theology or do I posses a degree in Islamic studies.

 

[JewhanOmar]

ok I am going to explain it like a 5 years old. Because you sound lost, and the people answering you are really aggressive in their answers. It's always better to trust in God. It's easier. You can never go wrong with that trust. It will never betray you.

Simple answer
Here its how it works. Destiny is already written, but not in the way you think. Think about a branch on a tree and how it diverges into multiple parts. That's how destiny is written, God knows every possible option for you. Meaning you can only pray for a better path but without asking for it, nothing ever changes, thats where DUA and prayer comes in.

Destiny has been written before you were born, but not in a linear manner. It goes into the infinite multiverse. Meaning GOD, has already written your death and your net worth in life for every variance in your multiple universes. He knows every single choice you are going to make. There is nothing that can surprise him. Although GOD can change your future paths, remember your life has many ways to branch out. In your future path you can be a drug addict, in another future path a gangster. Sometimes nothing ever changes, you are born poor and you die poor. You always prayed for a better life, but you were never given one. Except in your hereafter, your rewards are there and ever lasting.

You are bestowed the will to ask, nothing else. Its like a game simulation, everything is set at stone, Your body, your struggles and your relationships. It doesn't mean your path can be tweaked. In every game you have 4 options for an ending, except in the real life. Your choices are endless in the real life, and Allah knows every single one of them. Its predestined.

 

[JewhanOmar]

God doesn't make angels write because he needs them. They are there for us. The books are there to show us our bad and good deeds, proof of our existence and the reality of our actions. Fortunately that's not their only use, the good deeds can be also a good indication on when our paths were tweaked and how much your good deeds were worth.

A mental person who has killed 100 people and still got in Jannah tells you that, they were already predestined to kill them. Just like prophet Adam was predestined to be kicked out of Paradise, Allah wants us to sin so we can go back to him using our own FREE WILL. You may not be able to control the story or its narrative, but you are able to ask forgiveness with your consciousness.

Humans are sly, some of them will reject that they sinned in their past while facing God in the day of judgement. The books are there as mediator, between the person and their feelings, humans are emotional and will always be. It's a weakness God gave us. You can only make a person understand, if they read about it.

Allah's Messenger (pbuh) as saying: Had you not committed sins, Allah would have brought into existence a creation that would have committed sin (and Allah) would have forgiven them. Sahih Muslim The Book of Repentance Book 50, Hadith 11. That proofs my point, that sinning isn't the objective in life. It's being close to God, and every time you lose connection with him, you should always go back. Sinning will always happen, you can't stop it. The important part is resisting it and if you can't ......repent. It's all about your WILL. Do you care enough to ask GOD?

 

[Crow]

Though I have my opinions on free will that is not what i am trying to say, My point is about having a day of judgment where the Judge already knows everything that is going to happen. Would this be unnecessary.

It is for our sake and an expression of Allah's mercy. The judge knows the outcome but the defendant deserves justification. It would not be fair for someone to be teleported to hell without being told why. That is why angels record our deeds and why we have a day of judgement.