Looks like borama might be next

[Bernie Madoff]

Its not even about Somaliweyn, unity, midnimo or Somalia/SL for these people. Its just anti Isaaq success and a hinderance to Somalia succeeding under hawiye. Its an extremely tribal sub sub sub sub clannism and if it was even a unitary daroodism the dhulos would be glad with their 2/4 partial districts of sool to be under Puntlands federal state and the warsangeli would take their badhan district to puntland as well. Instead its all about how can we cause destrction or hinder SL so Isaaq doesn't succeed.

What darood wants is a completeley fragmented somalia because they're a completely fragmented qabiil, both geographically and politically. They don't want a strong central or even federal government in Somalia, and thats why all their so called states and issues with neighboring tribes is solely based on tribal borders. The federal model calls for 2 out of 18 regiions as a minimum qualifier, not districts or partial districts, but a clear look at what darood has claimed since Somalia opted the federal model exposes their blatant tribalism and lack of daacadnimo towards Somalia, The Republic of Somalia, Somaliland, or a Federal model for Somalia

1. Puntland State(constitutionally calls for 2 full gobols, + darood districts in mudug, half of buhoodle district in togdheer which they call "cayn", 2/4 partial districts of sool that darood settle, and 1 district of sanaag.
2. Maakhir State( Exlusively Warsangali parts of eastern sanaag)
3. "SSC"( Exlusively Dhulbahante parts of eastern sool, half of buhoodle district, few towns in Sanag)
4. Jubbaland(exlusively ogaden controlled kismaayo and surround towns)
5. Geedo( Exlusively marehan although they only inhabit western Geedo)
6. Xiriirland( Exlusively leelkase parts of mudug)

 

[Liban89]

If that's the case then why is Borama more developed than most other Somaliland towns? Borama has more schools and universities than any other Somali city including Mogadishu, let alone Hargiesa and Burco. Allocations of funds is as good as the hands of the local government it's distributed to and the method of investment. Also isn't the World Bank currently helping to fund the Lawyacado Borama Road which is one of the most important projects ever done? I'm not going to make the argument that SL is doing everything right. There are many issues, but it works for us. If a federal state is the answer to everything then why are most federal states doing so poorly?

The people you are talking to don't know jack about the situation in awdal, they just repeating what they heard online

 

[Burqad]

Hoorta I want a qaldaan to tell me if they still call it Villa Morgan. Forget the discussion about Awdal or whatever until I get that answered

 

[Liban89]

when Cigaal passed away, Garxajis said it's our turn so Kulmiye(Jeegaan)let his Gadabursi vice president Dahir kahin to inherit him since Garxajis was gonna cause another war.

lol, not true.. garxajis, ciise muuse (Habar awal) and samaroon were allies within the UDUB political party, when egal died it is in the laws of SL's political parties for the VP to take the helm, rayaale came into power, defeated kulmiye and ruled for 8 years (nobody gave him the presidency as a sadaqo).

 

[Awd]

Its not even about Somaliweyn, unity, midnimo or Somalia/SL for these people. Its just anti Isaaq success and a hinderance to Somalia succeeding under hawiye. Its an extremely tribal sub sub sub sub clannism and if it was even a unitary daroodism the dhulos would be glad with their 2/4 partial districts of sool to be under Puntlands federal state and the warsangeli would take their badhan district to puntland as well. Instead its all about how can we cause destrction or hinder SL so Isaaq doesn't succeed.

What darood wants is a completeley fragmented somalia because they're a completely fragmented qabiil, both geographically and politically. They don't want a strong central or even federal government in Somalia, and thats why all their so called states and issues with neighboring tribes is solely based on tribal borders. The federal model calls for 2 out of 18 regiions as a minimum qualifier, not districts or partial districts, but a clear look at what darood has claimed since Somalia opted the federal model exposes their blatant tribalism and lack of daacadnimo towards Somalia, The Republic of Somalia, Somaliland, or a Federal model for Somalia

1. Puntland State(constitutionally calls for 2 full gobols, + darood districts in mudug, half of buhoodle district in togdheer which they call "cayn", 2/4 partial districts of sool that darood settle, and 1 district of sanaag.
2. Maakhir State( Exlusively Warsangali parts of eastern sanaag)
3. "SSC"( Exlusively Dhulbahante parts of eastern sool, half of buhoodle district, few towns in Sanag)
4. Jubbaland(exlusively ogaden controlled kismaayo and surround towns)
5. Geedo( Exlusively marehan although they only inhabit western Geedo)
6. Xiriirland( Exlusively leelkase parts of mudug)

The federal system is a bigger danger to the concept of Somali nationhood than SL. The thing about SL is that their case is very clear. They're seeking outright independence and want to be their own country. The federal states claim to be part of Somalia but act as independent sovereign states that turn the screws on the central government everytime there is a disagreement or dispute. The federal states are more anti Somalia than SL.

 

[Liban89]

Hoorta I want a qaldaan to tell me if they still call it Villa Morgan. Forget the discussion about Awdal or whatever until I get that answered

Majority of us call it madaxtooyada, but whenever there is a political point to make (like a mucaarad criticizing the presidency) some may refer to it as Morgan's

 

[Dima&Damo]

You’re self declared independent. Who’s us

 

[Hilmaam]

Its not even about Somaliweyn, unity, midnimo or Somalia/SL for these people. Its just anti Isaaq success and a hinderance to Somalia succeeding under hawiye. Its an extremely tribal sub sub sub sub clannism and if it was even a unitary daroodism the dhulos would be glad with their 2/4 partial districts of sool to be under Puntlands federal state and the warsangeli would take their badhan district to puntland as well. Instead its all about how can we cause destrction or hinder SL so Isaaq doesn't succeed.

What darood wants is a completeley fragmented somalia because they're a completely fragmented qabiil, both geographically and politically. They don't want a strong central or even federal government in Somalia, and thats why all their so called states and issues with neighboring tribes is solely based on tribal borders. The federal model calls for 2 out of 18 regiions as a minimum qualifier, not districts or partial districts, but a clear look at what darood has claimed since Somalia opted the federal model exposes their blatant tribalism and lack of daacadnimo towards Somalia, The Republic of Somalia, Somaliland, or a Federal model for Somalia

1. Puntland State(constitutionally calls for 2 full gobols, + darood districts in mudug, half of buhoodle district in togdheer which they call "cayn", 2/4 partial districts of sool that darood settle, and 1 district of sanaag.
2. Maakhir State( Exlusively Warsangali parts of eastern sanaag)
3. "SSC"( Exlusively Dhulbahante parts of eastern sool, half of buhoodle district, few towns in Sanag)
4. Jubbaland(exlusively ogaden controlled kismaayo and surround towns)
5. Geedo( Exlusively marehan although they only inhabit western Geedo)
6. Xiriirland( Exlusively leelkase parts of mudug)

Qabil is hella of a drug. Too many chiefs not enough Indians everyone wants to be in charge with no vision for greater good. It’s to hard to lead country this way when policy is based on revenge and old grievances . they do something that they think will hurt someone of another clan, without realizing or caring that it will hurt them as well. Issue is not exclusive to darood imo. I also wouldn’t say our land splintered ogadenia connects puntland and jubbaland. We are young nation we will outgrow this childish mentality we just might not be around for it takes time

 

[SPMLegend]

The Ugaas of Samaroon was almost killed and refused entry into Borama by Isaaq regime soldiers

 

[The Midlands]

lol, not true.. garxajis, ciise muuse (Habar awal) and samaroon were allies within the UDUB political party, when egal died it is in the laws of SL's political parties for the VP to take the helm, rayaale came into power, defeated kulmiye and ruled for 8 years (nobody gave him the presidency as a sadaqo).

sheeko baraleey waaye "the constitution"part.
SL is a game in the hands of Habar Awal they had big power even under Siilaanyo as they hold the business in Hargeysa and control the port of Berbera

Dahir Riyaale's take over was arranged and approved by Habar Awal because the previous president was one of them so they could not pick another president from them because the others especially Garxajis would object so they used Riyaale as their puppet that is how he succeeded IGal using article 91. In the elections time Habar awal voted for Riyaale also Habar yunis voted for him too out of spite Habar Jeclo(Siilanyo), Gadabursi voted for him too still they rigged it. They all got played by Habar awal. They dissolved Udub, Joined Kulmiye and became it's chairman under Siilaanyo so they can replace him and they did with Muuse Bixi the Chairman of Kulmiye!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Somaliland_presidential_election

 

[Awd]

The Ugaas of Samaroon was almost killed and refused entry into Borama by Isaaq regime soldiers

Fake news again. It was the Samaroon elders in Borama who alerted the army chief in Gorayo Cawl who was Samaroon to refuse him entry. The order also came from Saajin, who is VP elect who is also Samaroon. The Isaaq invited him to Hargeisa and wanted him to come, it was some Samaroon politicians who did it for nefarious reasons.

 

[Awd]

sheeko baraleey waaye "the constitution"part.
SL is a game in the hands of Habar Awal they had big power even under Siilaanyo as they hold the business in Hargeysa and control the port of Berbera

Dahir Riyaale's take over was arranged and approved by Habar Awal because the previous president was one of them so they could not pick another president from them because the others especially Garxajis would object so they used Riyaale as their puppet that is how he succeeded IGal using article 91. In the elections time Habar awal voted for Riyaale also Habar yunis voted for him too out of spite Habar Jeclo(Siilanyo), Gadabursi voted for him too still they rigged it. They all got played by Habar awal. They dissolved Udub, Joined Kulmiye and became it's chairman under Siilaanyo so they can replace him and they did with Muuse Bixi the Chairman of Kulmiye!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Somaliland_presidential_election

Riyaale was also voted in and had the largest vote number of all SL elections. The reason why people accuse him of rigging the elections is because for the first time ever Awdal had a higher voter turnout than Togdheer because of all Riyaale's subclan crossing over from Ethiopia to ensure he wins. That's what he won with flying colours. All of the HY and the Ciise Muuse supported Riyaale aswell. The reason why the Sacad Muuse and the HJ created their own alliance was because HY and Ciise Muuse were favoured during Riyaale's tenure. Most of the important positions were given to HY, Ciise Muuse and his own subclan.

 

[Liban89]

In the elections time Habar awal voted for Riyaale also Habar yunis voted for him too out of spite Habar Jeclo(Siilanyo), Gadabursi voted for him

lol, Naga Kala daa bahasha, if habarawal (sm+cm) voted for dahir rayaale as you claim then the election would've been an unprecedented landslide because habarjeclo+allies alone cannot measure up to awala+hy+samaroon+allies (adeer caruur ma nihin taariikhdana waaanu usoo taagnayn). How did kulmiye win maroodi jeex district if sacad muuse voted for Rayaale?

Facts are; sacad muuse+Habar Jeclo+allies voted for kulmiye (jeegaan lite because ciise muuse supported UDUB). While hy+samaroon+ciise muuse+ allies voted for Dahir rayaale. That's why siilaanyo carried maroodijeex district (Hargeisa) including gabiley (sm home town)

 

[Dima&Damo]

Eastern sanaag iyo Eastern Sool




What do warsan and dhulos say about this statement

 

[The Midlands]

lol, Naga Kala daa bahasha, if habarawal (sm+cm) voted for dahir rayaale as you claim then the election would've been an unprecedented landslide because habarjeclo+allies alone cannot measure up to awala+hy+samaroon+allies (adeer caruur ma nihin taariikhdana waaanu usoo taagnayn). How did kulmiye win maroodi jeex district if sacad muuse voted for Rayaale?

Facts are; sacad muuse+Habar Jeclo+allies voted for kulmiye (jeegaan lite because ciise muuse supported UDUB). While hy+samaroon+ciise muuse+ allies voted for Dahir rayaale. That's why siilaanyo carried maroodijeex district (Hargeisa) including gabiley (sm home town)View attachment 250775View attachment 250776

well, Dahir Riyale was the reason why Isaaq had long political stability after their civil war in mid 90s. Being Habar Awal candidate and Habar yunis voting for him for fear of Haber Jeclo proves my theory call it alliance or whatever. This is something well known among the politicians including Garxajis it was not out of Charity a minority clan to rule SL for 8 years. Why professor Samatar was told " adeer xisbi ku biir adigu musharax ma noqon kartide" because SL is now different than the 90s. This is odayaal stuff if you can read it

PROF SAMATAR: “FROM SOOMAALI TO SAMAROON” - Maqaal aad u XIISO !!! badan wuxuu maskaxdiisa Ka soo maaxday Qoraa Sare A/qadir Oromo

"About Somaliland Impartial Human Rights Defenders"

hornwatch4rights.blogspot.com

 

[Liban89]

well, Dahir Riyale was the reason why Isaaq had long political stability after their civil war in mid 90s. Being Habar Awal candidate and Habar yunis voting for him for fear of Haber Jeclo proves my theory call it alliance or whatever. This is something well known among the politicians including Garxajis it was not out of Charity a minority clan to rule SL for 8 years. Why professor Samatar was told " adeer xisbi ku biir adigu musharax ma noqon kartide" because SL is now different than the 90s. This is odayaal stuff if you can read it

PROF SAMATAR: “FROM SOOMAALI TO SAMAROON” - Maqaal aad u XIISO !!! badan wuxuu maskaxdiisa Ka soo maaxday Qoraa Sare A/qadir Oromo

"About Somaliland Impartial Human Rights Defenders"

hornwatch4rights.blogspot.com

Kuye akhri hadaad karto, adeer anagaa codeynay oo joognay ololaheedii iyo fadhi kidirirkeediiba......you conveniently sidestep the hard concrete numbers from SLNEC of the presidential election and the logical extrapolations from it. Miskiin waaxid, nocaasaa inta looga sheekeeyay iyo waa igu maqaalo loogu sheegay hadhawna gegeb Kula soo galaya.

Answer my simple question; how did kulmiye win maroodijeex district including gabiley if sm voted for Rayaale? Given Isaxaaq carre and all other hy subtribes in Hargeisa voted for dahir rayaale and also sacad muuse and Arab voted for him (which leaves only cidagale who voted for ucid)? Mind you habarjeclo numbers in Hargeisa and maroodi jeex are negligible.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

Absolutely spot on , we live in a world where geopolitics and identity is the master of everyone. In both scenarios, it doesn't favour us in anyway to be part of Somalia. Geographically we are impacted more by a decision made in Addis Ababa than in Mogadishu. We use Ethiopian Birr in Borama and are linked with Djibouti through clan affiliation. Hargeisa is right near us. Plus we are a Dir subclan and our fellow Dir in the south have been killed and displaced by clan actors from Central Somalia all the way to Jubbaland. Somalia is pretty much a Darood and Hawiye enterprise where they swap Presidents every few years and nobody else is in the club or are welcome. Reer Awdal are the decision makers in SL and we are the 2nd in command of all SL forces, we made the flag, the anthem and the SL idea was born in Awdal. There is no way it will be part of Somalia in my honest opinion. The only difference is that we love all Somalis and even Somalia and consider ourselves patriotic Somalis whilst most Isaaq because of the civil war despise Somalia.

At heart most reer awdal are pro-unity but it’s hard for them to actually act it out in awdal like the dhulbahante. Even the HY have more breathing space to break away from Hargeisa at least those in burco-sanaag borders. The reason why reer awdal can’t break up from somaliland is they’re surrounded on all sides by parties that do not like them. 1. Is Djibouti who’s anti- samaroon 2. Is Somaliland (isaaq) and 3. Is Ethiopia who’s influenced by Djibouti and somaliland. Samaroon is surrounded by 3 strong regimes and doesn’t have heavy weaponry while dhulbahante has heavy weaponry from siyad bare era like the isaaq plus favorable neighbors like the other harti. Clan like samaron and ciidagale have more to lose by breaking up from somaliland without neutralizing one of the 2( Ethiopia and Djibouti).

 

[Libaax-Joore]

@Araabi if majority of samaroon and issaq are happy with somaliland then somalia should recognize somaliland us sovereignty and independent country and somaliland should accept warsangali and dhulbahante self determination…

 

[Libaax-Joore]

The federal system is a bigger danger to the concept of Somali nationhood than SL. The thing about SL is that their case is very clear. They're seeking outright independence and want to be their own country. The federal states claim to be part of Somalia but act as independent sovereign states that turn the screws on the central government everytime there is a disagreement or dispute. The federal states are more anti Somalia than SL.

The federal system is the best system for somalia we already seen a central government look at all central government either in central asia,middle east,and Africa all is ruled by dictator with iron fist Ismail Omar gelle family ruled Djibouti since independent July 26 1977

 

[Awd]

@Araabi if majority of samaroon and issaq are happy with somaliland then somalia should recognize somaliland us sovereignty and independent country and somaliland should accept warsangali and dhulbahante self determination…
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I respect the self determination of the Dhulbahante and if its what they want nobody should try and force them. It was SL's complete policy failure especially Kulmiye that led to this.