Live UN Security council meeting on Somalia

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True Puntlander
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So xarmaajo act like puppet and complain PL to UN loool. :snoop:

If he saying Im Somalia president, then come to Garowe and solve rubbish you created in xamar.
 
His full remarks:

Mr. President, Members of the Council,

Thank you for this opportunity to brief on the situation in Somalia. You have received a detailed written update in the latest report of the Secretary-General. So, I will focus on just a few key points regarding (1) elections, (2) relations between the Federal Government and Federal Member States, (3) the Security Situation, and (4) Humanitarian Developments.

Mr. President,

This very week top Somali leaders convened in Dhusamareeb in an effort to reach a compromise on how to proceed with the 2020/2021 elections. We commend those leaders who participated in this meeting, including President Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed “Farmajo” and the presidents of the Federal Member States of Galmudug, Hirshabelle, and South West. Although much more work remains to be done, we are encouraged that their discussions are taking place in a conciliatory spirit and they are examining a diverse range of electoral options.

We regret, therefore, the absence of Puntland President Said Deni and Jubaland President Ahmed Islam Madobe from this important meeting. It is disappointing that they declined to participate despite repeated appeals from other Somali political leaders and international partners. We understand that there are strongly held divergent views among the leaders and political tensions are high in this pre-electoral period. Yet, it is precisely during such moments that it is most necessary for the nation’s leaders to engage in dialogue and present their best ideas to find solutions in the interest of the Somali people.

Mr. President,

On June 27, the Chairperson of the National Independent Electoral Commission briefed the House of the People that -- at this late stage -- one-person-one-vote elections could take place no earlier than March 2021, and then only if manual voter registration were used, or in August 2021 if the Commission used biometric registration.

The Chairperson’s briefing underscored the dilemma facing Somalia’s political leaders. Under the Provisional Federal Constitution, Parliament must be elected through direct universal suffrage. But the Constitution also stipulates that Parliamentary elections must be held according to a prescribed deadline, every four years. This means that parliamentary elections are due by the end of November 2020. It is now clear that it is not possible to satisfy both of these constitutional requirements.

As the Constitutional Court has never been formed, there is no credible judicial body to resolve this constitutional dilemma. A solution therefore requires broad-based political agreement. Unilateral action by any Somali stakeholder is unlikely to garner the support and legitimacy necessary for implementation.

Mr. President,

Members of this Council have for more than a year urged dialogue and cooperation between the leaders of the Federal Government of Somalia and those of the Federal Member States. I am pleased to report that since my last briefing to the Council these leaders met virtually on June 22 and then in person from July 18 to 22 in Dhusamareeb. These meetings became possible following a conciliatory initiative by President Farmajo to reach out to Jubaland President Ahmed Madobe. I commend both leaders for accepting this dialogue despite their significant remaining political differences.

Federal Government and Federal Member State leaders agreed in July in Dhusamareeb on the goal of timely and credible elections acceptable to all and they authorized a Technical Committee to develop and present detailed options for consideration at their follow-up summit which started on August 15. The climate of cooperation in July regrettably was then somewhat undermined by subsequent political events, as some FMSes and political parties reacted negatively to the abrupt removal of the Prime Minister from office, among other developments.

President Farmajo and three Federal Member State leaders returned on schedule to Dhusamareeb on August 15, as agreed, to continue discussions. Again, we regret the absence of the others.

It is of course up to Somali stakeholders to determine a model that will guide the electoral process. Nonetheless, we urge that such a model be arrived at through inclusive dialogue and compromise. It should be informed also by principles including that it must preserve the tradition of peaceful rotation in office every four years, be practically implementable, ensure far broader representation than the 2016 model, be inclusive of women, and advance progress toward the goal of one-person-one-vote elections.

Somalis and their international partners are watching closely the discussion currently underway in Dhusamareeb. It is incumbent on Somalia’s leaders to rise to this moment in history and pursue agreement in the national interest. At the request of many Somali stakeholders, we have contributed ideas and options for a compromise electoral model, and international partners stand ready to offer support if requested by the participants.

Turning to another important dialogue, we welcome the summit of the leaders of Somalia and Somaliland convened by Djiboutian President Ismael Omar Guelleh on June 14, with facilitation by the European Union and the United States. We urge that planned follow-up discussions by the Technical Committee and sub-committees proceed.

Mr. President,

We are now witnessing a worrying upsurge in Al Shabaab attacks, particularly in Mogadishu, but also in several regions. The vicious al-Shabaab attack on innocent civilians at the Elite Hotel on August 16 was one of an increasing number of recent attacks across Somalia and is a tragic reminder of the continued imperative to improve security in Somalia. Long-term security of course includes many aspects, such as improved governance and justice systems and inclusive economic development. Yet, there unquestionably also remains a requirement for “hard security” capabilities and operations to counter al-Shabaab. In my May briefing to the Council, I commended the Somali National Army and AMISOM for their capture of Janaale, Lower Shabelle region, in March. Since then, efforts have focused on stabilizing the recovered areas and consolidating presence in the area. I again salute the courage and commitment of Somali and African Union troops.

2021 is to be a critical transition year in which Somalia takes the lead on its security matters. Last week the Federal Government of Somalia completed a Concept Note for updating the Somalia Transition Plan, and technical teams comprising Somali security leaders and international partners began work on the update this week. Force generation has faced some setbacks in meeting 2020 projections as a consequence of COVID-19. The Comprehensive Approach to Security continues to operate at the technical level but would be enhanced by additional strategic-level guidance, as called for by the Council in its resolution 2520. Throughout this reporting period -- despite the impact of COVID – the UN Support Office for Somalia (UNSOS) has continued to contribute reliably to the sustainment and operations of AMISOM forces and 10,900 Somali National Army troops.

In preparation for key security-related decisions to be taken in 2021, we look forward to the Independent Assessment called for by the Council.

Mr. President,

Somalia continues to suffer chronic humanitarian crises, with recurring destructive cycles of floods and drought, compounded this year by desert locusts and COVID-19. More than five million people -- one-third of Somalia’s population – still require life-saving humanitarian assistance. The 2020 Humanitarian Appeal of just over $1 billion is currently funded at only slightly more than 50 percent. We thank international donors and request their continued generosity in support of the Somali people.

COVID-19 has of course undermined health, economic and development gains in Somalia. Achievement in March of decision point under the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries initiative was crucial to Somalia’s ability to secure funding to mitigate the impact of COVID. We hope the new Government and Prime Minister – once appointed – will continue and indeed accelerate Somalia’s reform agenda for national development.

Mr. President,

While today’s briefing has focused on immediate, pressing issues, we remain mindful that progress in Somalia requires a long-term commitment to governance, justice, respect for human rights, and inclusion of women, youth, and minorities to build the nation.

In regard to efforts to counter sexual and gender-based violence, I note with concern the recent initiative by some parliamentarians to introduce a new bill titled The Law on Sexual Intercourse Related Crimes. We have brought our concerns to the attention of the Speaker of the House of the People and, at his request, we have provided him details of many troubling elements in the proposed draft. Among them, this draft bill would violate protections against child marriage and forced marriage, and it is not in conformity with international human rights commitments to which Somalia is a party. We urge that the previous 2018 Sexual Offenses Bill be reintroduced for considerations.

Finally, Mr. President, on a positive note, I am pleased to report that the Secretary-General has approved Somalia’s request for renewed eligibility for the Peacebuilding Fund. The next period of programming will focus on the important topic of Women, Peace, and Security.

Thank you for your kind attention.
 
So xarmaajo act like puppet and complain PL to UN loool. :snoop:

If he saying Im Somalia president, then come to Garowe and solve rubbish you created in xamar.

He doesn’t need to complain to anyone, the IC is watching closely and do you think they don’t have their own Somali/Horn Political analysts who keep them up to date on this shit show? It’s very easy to keep track of when Deni is constantly releasing statements about not attending

Also, if Farmaajo is a puppet for allegedly “running” to the UN then Deni is also a puppet for wanting the IC to attend the DM3 meeting to act as guarantors and hold his hand
 

Diaspora ambassador

''Dagaalka gala'' Garaad Jaamac Garaad Cali
VIP
He doesn’t need to complain to anyone, the IC is watching closely and do you think they don’t have their own Somali/Horn Political analysts who keep them up to date on this shit show? It’s very easy to keep track of when Deni is constantly releasing statements about not attending

Also, if Farmaajo is a puppet for allegedly “running” to the UN then Deni is also a puppet for wanting the IC to attend the DM3 meeting to act as guarantors and hold his hand

The differance between farmaajo and deni is that deni actually wants the constitution finalized.

Look at the hoops farmaajo is jumping through to look like a leader while he is not in reality.

One cannot stop compromise and expect the fms to fall in line. We want a functioning federal constitution so that we can hold the fgs accountable for their actions. While farmaajo does not want it while he also campaigned on it. Without the complete federal constitution the fgs can do what they want with no accountability.

That is a big no no, we don't expect non political people to understand this just our leading politicians in thr fgs.
 
The differance between farmaajo and deni is that deni actually wants the constitution finalized.

Look at the hoops farmaajo is jumping through to look like a leader while he is not in reality.

One cannot stop compromise and expect the fms to fall in line. We want a functioning federal constitution so that we can hold the fgs accountable for their actions. While farmaajo does not want it while he also campaigned on it. Without the complete federal constitution the fgs can do what they want with no accountability.

That is a big no no, we don't expect non political people to understand this just our leading politicians in thr fgs.

Saxib deni should support the president in the implementation of 1m1v. Or a model that is as close to it as possible. I don't see why he isn't doing that? Mjs on here complain about how no one wants farmajo, he is incompetent, every somali is against him etc etc. Then that means if 1m1v is held no one will choose him? So why is deni actively going against this model, and why does he want to go back to the old election model? Tuugonimo is a bigger problem than qabilism.
 

Diaspora ambassador

''Dagaalka gala'' Garaad Jaamac Garaad Cali
VIP
Saxib deni should support the president in the implementation of 1m1v. Or a model that is as close to it as possible. I don't see why he isn't doing that? Mjs on here complain about how no one wants farmajo, he is incompetent, every somali is against him etc etc. Then that means if 1m1v is held no one will choose him? So why is deni actively going against this model, and why does he want to go back to the old election model? Tuugonimo is a bigger problem than qabilism.

Forget about 1m1v without an federal constitution every leader in the fgs can abuse the entire country without consequences.

After the constitution is finalized we can talk about 1m1v.

Ps, one of the two operates on a constitution and it is not farmaajo.
 
Forget about 1m1v without an federal constitution every leader in the fgs can abuse the entire country without consequences.

After the constitution is finalized we can talk about 1m1v.

Ps, one of the two operates on a constitution and it is not farmaajo.

Saxib bs. The federal government can't do anything even with the parliament. If that was the case, they wouldn't be wasting this much time on getting the federal leaders on board. Anyways, answer my questions, since that is the biggest issue right now not constitution. The constitution also needs to include SL, this isn't the time.
 
The differance between farmaajo and deni is that deni actually wants the constitution finalized.

Look at the hoops farmaajo is jumping through to look like a leader while he is not in reality.

One cannot stop compromise and expect the fms to fall in line. We want a functioning federal constitution so that we can hold the fgs accountable for their actions. While farmaajo does not want it while he also campaigned on it. Without the complete federal constitution the fgs can do what they want with no accountability.

That is a big no no, we don't expect non political people to understand this just our leading politicians in thr fgs.

Don’t you think all this stuff is better said face to face at the meeting rather than passive aggressive “we are not attending X because we don’t agree with Y”

Arguing your position face to face is true dowladnimo and would enable you to win over other FMS leaders to support in lobbying your agenda to the FGS/President
 

Farm

VIP
Saxib bs. The federal government can't do anything even with the parliament. If that was the case, they wouldn't be wasting this much time on getting the federal leaders on board. Anyways, answer my questions, since that is the biggest issue right now not constitution. The constitution also needs to include SL, this isn't the time.

Your post is exactly why people don’t like Farmaajo and eveyone knows that he wants to play games to not hold an election. First it’s obvious that a democratic election can’t be held. His obsession over 1M1V elections is an obvious extension tactic that any five year old can see.

As for your constitution point, SL is obviously not a stakeholder in Somalia so why should their input matter in the constitution? Their input is only an excuse to never finalize the constitution. This is why Xaarmaajo needs to be removed, when you’ve accomplished nothing and have excuses for everything people will obviously not support you.
 

Diaspora ambassador

''Dagaalka gala'' Garaad Jaamac Garaad Cali
VIP
Don’t you think all this stuff is better said face to face at the meeting rather than passive aggressive “we are not attending X because we don’t agree with Y”

Arguing your position face to face is true dowladnimo and would enable you to win over other FMS leaders to support in lobbying your agenda to the FGS/President

Well if the current fgs administration is not taking this seriously and the last couple of meetings became fruitless why even bother to be honest. It is better to wait out farmaajo's term and wait for a new administration that perhaps is inclined to finalise our federal constitution.

We all tried remember the garowe conferences and first couple of dhusomareeb conferences all flopped eventually.
 

Diaspora ambassador

''Dagaalka gala'' Garaad Jaamac Garaad Cali
VIP
Saxib bs. The federal government can't do anything even with the parliament. If that was the case, they wouldn't be wasting this much time on getting the federal leaders on board. Anyways, answer my questions, since that is the biggest issue right now not constitution. The constitution also needs to include SL, this isn't the time.


Without the federal constitution the country is governed by gut feelings instead of the will of the somali people.

If you accept n&n tactics, we can stop the entire democracy project eventhough we are not there yet we can stop and go our seperate ways.

To run a tuulo without a constitution is one thing but the entire country is another.
 
Your post is exactly why people don’t like Farmaajo and eveyone knows that he wants to play games to not hold an election. First it’s obvious that a democratic election can’t be held. His obsession over 1M1V elections is an obvious extension tactic that any five year old can see.

As for your constitution point, SL is obviously not a stakeholder in Somalia so why should their input matter in the constitution? Their input is only an excuse to never finalize the constitution. This is why Xaarmaajo needs to be removed, when you’ve accomplished nothing and have excuses for everything people will obviously not support you.

Calm down :whoa: 1m1v can be held, not in its best form. But more people need to participate in the election than last time.Why would puntland insist on the old election model?
 
Without the federal constitution the country is governed by gut feelings instead of the will of the somali people.

If you accept n&n tactics, we can stop the entire democracy project eventhough we are not there yet we can stop and go our seperate ways.

To run a tuulo without a constitution is one thing but the entire country is another.

Will of the somali people looool. How come you guys care about the will of the somali people when you don't even wanna hold elections similar to 1m1v to see how they would vote, and who they would choose. It's not like farmaajo will win unanimously
 

Farm

VIP
Calm down :whoa: 1m1v can be held, not in its best form. But more people need to participate in the election than last time.Why would puntland insist on the old election model?

1M1V can’t be held and that’s the crux of the problem. It’s an extension tactic which PL won’t accept, there is a reason Farmaajo didn’t set up the electoral legislation, security accommodations, etc during his first month in office and is instead talking about this issue during his last few months.
 
1M1V can’t be held and that’s the crux of the problem. It’s an extension tactic which PL won’t accept, there is a reason Farmaajo didn’t set up the electoral legislation, security accommodations, etc during his first month in office and is instead talking about this issue during his last few months.

An election committee was established when the president came into office. And they have been working since then to see if elections can be held. Wasn't it a while ago when the parliament approved the 1m1v? And everyone agreed on it, including the FMS leaders? What changed now?
 

FBIsomalia

True Puntlander
VIP
Calm down :whoa: 1m1v can be held, not in its best form. But more people need to participate in the election than last time.Why would puntland insist on the old election model?
For your info, PL not officially announce any type of election they wants. There is committee from FMS and FGS to dialogue on the best election can hold in Somalia. The issue started when xarmaajo went to Parliament and said as I quote" I will bring what we agree to xamar (Parliament)" , so he saying to everyone I have no problem but the parliament will choice to aceept it or not!!!. So the point here, We agree in Dhusmareeb then Parliament refuse whats the point of meeting then!!. Its tactics of extension from xarmaajo and we all see it.
 

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