Lingustic evidence of Cushitic influence on arabic and old south arabian

I dont know why nobody has discussed this on this forum before. But broken plurals are only found in Arabic, old south arabian,msa and ethiosemetic lanaguges and not in aramaic or Hebrew/Phoenician. There's probably no more slam-dunk proof of the existence of cushitic people in the early arabian penisula than this. All those ancient north and south arabian inscriptions have broken plurals.

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The Somali language goes back to Ancient Egypt and that's 4000 years old, Arabic is nowhere near to that
I dont think your understanding what is being said. There were cushtic pastoralists im the Arabian peninsula before there were semetic speakers. Then when these semetic speakers and cushtic speakers intermixed the lanaguges that came out of this had something called "broken plurals"

So in simple terms arabic and the other southen Arabian lanaguges emerged as result of mixing between cushtic and semetic speakers .
 
The Somali language goes back to Ancient Egypt and that's 4000 years old, Arabic is nowhere near to that
The ancient eygptians are more properly part of the same civilization as somalis .

As I was working out in my other thread . Im begging to come to the conclusion that Eygptian civilization seems to have been a pastoralist civilization which had a religion around cattle and built stone funerary structures. They then adopted agriculture from their lower eygptian( mainly levantine farmer descended) neighbors as the climate became drier . Then these cattle riding bow wielding pastoralists expanded and conquered their lower eygptian mainly farmer neighbors.
 
I dont think your understanding what is being said. There were cushtic pastoralists im the Arabian peninsula before there were semetic speakers. Then when these semetic speakers and cushtic speakers intermixed the lanaguges that came out of this had something called "broken plurals"

So in simple terms arabic and the other southen Arabian lanaguges emerged as result of mixing between cushtic and semetic speakers .

If extensive mixing took place, especially early on and to the point of absorbing (?) the original Cushitic-speaking inhabitants wouldn't this come up in genetic studies on peninsular Arabs?
 

Shimbiris

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If extensive mixing took place, especially early on and to the point of absorbing (?) the original Cushitic-speaking inhabitants wouldn't this come up in genetic studies on peninsular Arabs?

I'm reminded of Agamemnon's constant reminding of people on Anthrogenica that linguistics ≠ genetics. Someday if actual deep linguistic study is done on this and it is found that there really is a Cushitic influence on all Peninsular Semitic languages then that is simply a fact regardless of genetics and we will have to explain why there isn't much genetic evidence as some on the side on its own. Linguistics is linguistics and genetics is genetics. Lets not forget that.
 
If extensive mixing took place, especially early on and to the point of absorbing (?) the original Cushitic-speaking inhabitants wouldn't this come up in genetic studies on peninsular Arabs?
We have basically no anicent pensisular arab dna. The only one that im aware is of the Bahrain samples which are from between 300 b.c -300 a.d and keep in mind that Bahrain was in constant contact with ancient mespotmian and was known as dilmun.
 
The quran wasn't joking when Allah talks about the people of ad and iram of the pillars being wiped out ( these structures mentioned in the quran might be cushitic funerary structures)
 
More importantly though if this does turn out to be the case then I think it becomes clear that it was Cushites who domesticated camels. This would i think provide further proof for independent cattle domestication. But this independent cattle domestication would have been for riding and food not for agricultural purposes.

Cattle > donkey > camel

The same people domesticatied all these animals for transportation . Feels like it hints at the fact that you'd need a pastoral ideaology to domesticate animals.
 

Garaad Awal

Former African
In Arabia the only confirmed Cushitic influence (substratum) by an academic linguist has been on those MSA languages. When you mean influence on Arabic or Sabaic for example what exactly do you mean?
 
In Arabia the only confirmed Cushitic influence (substratum) by an academic linguist has been on those MSA languages. When you mean influence on Arabic or Sabaic for example what exactly do you mean?
So ive come to a slightly more complicated understanding of this than I had before.

But essentially you should think of the lanaguges of the Arabian penisula as basically a single language which turned into two highly divergent dialects. The first is the "south arabian languages" which since they're were located and spoken in the Highlands of Yemen changed and diverged much more rapidly since thats what happens to lanaguges in mountainous regions.

The second is the "north arabian scripts" which are really called scripts instead of lanaguges because of the fact they're basically all dialects of a single language which is called "old arabic" the reason these "dialects" aren't very deeply diverged is because the pouplation was mainly nomadic and as a result of the constant contact. The phenomenon known as dialect leveling happned and they retained their linguistic features .
 
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