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liberal ethio-philia phenomenon deep dive
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i forgot to do that lol diyaar waaye
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Liberals are retards I don't take them serious
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i agree but the africa policy of their gay ass clinton world order is heavily linked to this fraud narrative and it's allowed ethiopia and in particular the TPLF to act with impunity. Just how did eritrea become so isolated and villified by the west? they aren't even close to being as belligerent as ethiopia yet theyre a black sheep for some reason.
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didn't even name the mouse sized elephant in the room, people forget this but this nigga was a crucial piece in this whole puzzle
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it's willful stupidity, if that were the case they wouldnt have to repeat that line over and over again. no one talks about roman history telling you, "yeah this was totally a consquential empire on the same tier as persia and china of its time" we'd all already know and there'd be a socio-cultural legacy or architechtural left by them in modern ethiopia.
i can trace ancient rome to other successor civilizations and see its legacy today in rome and all over europe and its asian domain, i can say the same for the greeks, the egyptian, the incas, the three kingdoms and assyrians. all i see in ethiopia is your typical debt based african economy with dodgy accounting mixed in
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those highlands are a cheatcode for expansion yet i'm meant to believe this supposed high civilization chose to simply not expand for 1000 years and had to wait for the british to artifically prop them up with guns? they will look you dead in the eye and tell you that mediocrity is from the same imperial stock as the japanese
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One of the recommendations to this video is ''Can Ethiopia now dominate Africa?'' with a ''Mighty Ethiopia'' tumbnail ''Could Ethiopia become the future''
They really love sucking their tatas and playing into their grandiose fictions fantasies.
If anyone were to industrialize like Japan in Africa it would be Egypt or Somalia. Somaliweyn had cities, forts, industries, ships, education system/schools, commerce, modern state bureaucracies , was either using and minting currency and diplomatic embassies and trading stations abroad. Some of our cities and sultanates had flags even. This was in the 1800s.
Ethiopia had none of those things. Yet they speak about it like it qualifies as a legitimate state or an empire or had the framework to able to industrialize. Japan had most of those things i mentioned as well and more before they industrialized.
The only requirement missing from Somalia was that we were less centralized across the whole after the medieval collapse and we were in the process of rebuilding our trade networks and recovering our productive powers.
Even in our reduced fragmented state we was far more productive and enterprising , while Ethiopia as a whole was a landlocked violent petty rural semi-illiterate feudal fiefdoms that didn't produce much, their only claim to notoriety is being propped up by more advanced European powers and claiming their neighbors past achievements as their own, while not emulating anything that embodies those achievements.
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InshaAllah soon and educating Somalis about their real history, land and who they are.
Ethiopia would have remained a feudal and fragmented state due to its leaders' consistent reluctance to grant peasants access to new technology. This resistance can still be observed today with the country's slow and heavily restricted internet access, especially when compared to neighbouring Somalia, a nation often regarded as a failed state but with more advanced digital infrastructure and freedom.
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Btw i described Japan's industrialization process in a different thread and it was the same as the industrialization/modernization process Somalia underwent in the 1970s Revolution described by David Latin in his book: Politics, Language, and Thought: The Somali Experience
Most other African nations failed to replicate this successfully, so it lends support to my argument that Somalia was in better position/framework to modernize .
Listed the reforms Japan made:
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Every leadership continued the same thing as their feudal predecessors, even Abyi Ahmed. Like the lack of urbanization today is on par with its feudal past take a look at how visitors described Axum their capital in 1800s, Ethiopians would advertise it as if it was some metropolis.
The famine denialism by Ethiopian leaders is on par with what was described by that Armenian Christian visitor i shared Lack of pity among Abyssinians
Even the way their military continued the same, with them employing dirgo and human wave tactics.
The unequal wealth distribution, the gap between rich and poor is on par with the feudal past in how the leaders robbed peasants production. Ethiopia is similar to modern day India in this sense. Take for example a region in Somalia has a lower poverty rate , despite lower GDP. The living situation is so bad you have them flock to Somaliland and Puntland , who aren't wealthy by any real standards.
Somalis fight to access resources and greater autonomy and resist external domination, Ethiopians fight to dominate and oppress eachother, so things like development and progress is not a goal of theirs, its to flex like a Kang over others, humiliate them and act like an entitled pretend emperor who is owed the world. They don't conquere, expand to places to develop it or open it up for production/trade like other states and empires. Like even the way Somalis were doing throughout history.
Unlike Somalia historically where good leadership meant that your subjects flourished and it directly reflected back on you. The average life of an Ethiopian was miserable throughout the 1800s and early 1900s, their leaders gave 2 f's about them, they just took and never gave back.
Whereas every visitor that came to our major cities in the past noted how well the average citizen lived and how the Somali upper class lived more lavishly, with number of privileges.
Heck compare Siad Barre with Haile Selassie, one was actively rescuing his people from the drought and potential famine and creating to new employment oppurtunities for them in the process, while the other payed a blind eye as many 200.000 or more died of starvation. But he is supposed to be visionary great modern African statesman?
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I think the comparison of japan with ethiopia was always funny. No hate to ethiopia but I watched a movie once which was based on war between Japan and Korea in 1597 called Battle of Myeongnyang . in that naval war japan fielded like 200 warships. When you read about japan was doing in the 1600s you won't be surprised these guys modernized. calclus was invented in japan independently in the 1600s by a guy called seki kowa. They were so sopsihcated by the 1800sm that they were able to reengineering western technology by translating some Dutch science books and dismantling some of the cannons. By the 1850s. When the ethiopia king began his conquests. The japanese govt was translating over 10,000 western books a year. More than anybody even in the west except maybe the british.
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They benefited a lot from Portuguese and Dutch traders and missionaries entering their country in the early 1500-1600s , they introduced a bunch of things and they readily adopted it.
They have as a result a number of portuguese and dutch loanwords:
Glossary of Japanese words of Portuguese origin - Wikipedia
Glossary of Japanese words of Dutch origin - Wikipedia
This from the thread you made some time ago: SOCIETY AND TECHNOLOGY IN ETHIOPIA 1500-1800
''After the king saw the work that it did, he had it dismantled it right away saying that thing had no use in his country because he was always moving in a camp throughout his Kingdom and he would not carry with him those machines and he would not carry with him those machines which were always fixed in one place . As if that device would serve only wherever he himself happened to be and not his entire kingdom''
I wonder if Somalis could have benefited in the same way if they weren't hostile towards us at the behest of Ethiopians or had a bias towards ''Moors''(Muslims) as they called them.
Ethiopia sent out many letters urging Portugal and Spain to attack and occupy our coast, instead of entering diplomatic trade missions the way they did with Japan.
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