Letter sent to Muse Bixhi by Christians.

[Manafesto]

Do you really think I made up that picture? Seriously? I’m not that interested in it nor do I have the time. It’s real. The stamp proves it.
as for “freedom of religion”. Loool it’s what you say to the UN so they accept you.

The national penal code generally remains valid in all regions of the country. It does not prohibit conversion from Islam to another religion, but it criminalizes blasphemy and “defamation of Islam,” which carry penalties of up to two years in prison.[6] According to federal and regional government officials, there were no cases of individuals charged with apostasy, blasphemy, or defamation of Islam in 2017.[6]
(although it does not explicitly ban conversion), and stipulates all laws must comply with the general principles of Muslim religious law.

As for Somaliland
The constitution of Somaliland declares Islam as the state religion, prohibits Muslims from converting to another religion, bars the propagation of any religion other than Islam, and require all laws to comply with the general principles of sharia. It also states that "every person shall have the right to freedom of belief and shall not be compelled to adopt another belief".[4] In July 2017, Somaliland authorities closed the only Catholic church in Hargeisa.[6] The Somaliland constitution requires, in addition to Somaliland's president, the candidates for vice president and the House of Representatives to be Muslim.[4][6]

Those laws are old and were changed few months back, you need to keep your self updated, you also said those laws are only shown to the UN, well then how come underage girl marriage is allowed under the same constitution.

 

[Villainess]

Those laws are old and were changed few months back, you need to keep your self updated, you also said those laws are only shown to the UN, well then how come underage girl marriage is allowed under the same constitution.

I’m quoting you with the same link you sent. Keep up your words or don’t link it at all.
you are not one to talk about underage marriages considering your previous posts

I am in Oklahoma where it is legal to molest 16 years old.

 

[Chun Li]

It was a brief comparison obviously. I know Christianity itself is not to blame. But when you think Christianity as a Somali you think Ethiopian. You're right.

It’s not. Muslims have to pay tax too, but differently. Jizya doesn’t “expolit“ them, it protects them. It safeguards their right as a second class citizen.

It was also reported that Khaled ibn al Walid stated in the contract which he made with some cities near Hira “if we managed to protect you, then we get the jizyah and if we couldn’t we don’t get it”. When Muslims failed to meet the condition of protection of the people of the Dhimma, they returned back the paid jizyah to them and this happened during the reign of ‘Umar ibn al Khattab when he was informed that Heraclius was preparing a huge army to fight against the Muslims. Due to such circumstances, Abu ‘Ubaida, the Muslim military leader at the time, wrote correspondents to all the Muslim rulers of the cities that were opened by Muslims in the Levant area and commanded them to return back the jizyah money that was collected from these cities and he wrote to people of Dhimma saying, “we have returned back your money because we were informed of that a huge army was mobilized by the Romans and you placed a condition on us to protect you and we are unable to do it. So we have paid back your money to keep the condition intact along with the contract that was written between us and you and the contract will resume to be effective should we be granted victory”.

Therefore, huge amount of money from the Islamic state was given back to Christians who prayed for Muslims to come out of the battle victorious and said “May God return you back victoriously to us and make you win over the Romans because if it were them in your place, they wouldn’t have returned anything to us and they would have taken everything left for us”. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said in this regard “whoever hurts a Dhimmi, hurts me”. Hurting in this context is more general than psychological or physical hurt and the Islamic Shari’ah asked Muslims to maintain fine manners with the people of the book who did not fight against Muslims nor assaulted them. God says, “Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” 60:8
And being homogenous matters a lot. Somalis are a special case. Like I said earlier, we are not like the Meccans and Syrians who were multi-ethnic. We are one people. The Somali Christians are not born Christians, they later convert in life. Why? Because homogenetics play a huge role in that.

Second class citizen? Essentially, what you’re saying is that they are (sub)consciously inferior compared to the first class citizens, the Muslims? This is prejudiced & will lead to discriminatory behavior & actions against them. Then again, the jizya tax “protects” them from this.

How incompetent could rulers be to not protect them? Surely, if you add all the jizya tax levied on the non-Muslims, it would amount to something big. Imagine paying for protection, but coming out of the contract with psychological/physical abuse & trauma. Receiving back the jizya tax won’t help at all because you’ve already went through the struggle of having to pay for protection & the struggle of coming out of the contract with (probable) mental illnesses, stemming from the trauma.

We may be one, but we were made from different tribes. Allah did state that people were made from different ethnicities, tribes & religions so that we can come to know each other. I don’t think countries that host multi-ethnic citizens or religions should be looked down upon, but celebrated. It’s this kind of “we are one” “they are not” attitude that breeds prejudiced thoughts which could result in jahiliyah.

Somalis have already suffered enough from that & the country’s beyond ruined. I think there should be changes in how Somalis view themselves & others. We are educated in the West & have access to many opportunities. I say we don’t take that for granted & remain tolerant & open to new or unfamiliar ideas.

 

[Manafesto]

I’m quoting you with the same link you sent. Keep up your words or don’t link it at all.
you are not one to talk about underage marriages considering your previous posts

Horta why do you and @Calaf always bring up other comments of mine to prove a point specially when it is not even related to the topic?

You: In Somalia the law states no other religion can be practiced.

Me: actually the Somali constitution allows freedom of religion (posted the constitution for proof)

You: Well that is just to show the UN and the IC.

Me: Those laws are changes now, also how come underage marriage is allowed in the constitution also if it is just show off to UN.

You: Well you posted before you live in Oklahoma and you like girls as young as 16.


You need to learn how to debate and accept L and move on if you are cornered instead of jumping in hoops and trying to derail.

 

[Boogie]

Horta why do you and @Calaf always bring up other comments of mine to prove a point specially when it is not even related to the topic?

You: In Somalia the law states no other religion can be practiced.

Me: actually the Somali constitution allows freedom of religion (posted the constitution for proof)

You: Well that is just to show the UN and the IC.

Me: well then how come underage marriage is allowed in the constitution also if it is just show off to UN.

You: Well you posted before you live in Oklahoma and you like girls as young as 16.


You need to learn how to debate and accept L and move on if you are cornered instead of jumping in hoops and trying to derail.

U will call anything a derail I said Islam and Christianity isn't the same like u ignorantly said and u said stop derailing

 

[Manafesto]

U will call anything a derail I said Islam and Christianity isn't the same like u ignorantly said and u said stop derailing

I will explain this in away 13 year old would understand.

OP: Egyptian Christian guy approached me today and even though I was wearing Hijab he was preaching me Christianity, why do these preachers do this and try to pass their bulshit to me.

Me: Sometimes when I had no access to Quran I would read the bible and I found out they both preach same thing, I also used to go to church and steal Christian pamlets and pass it around to girls at mall inorder to get their numbers(this implies to the OP that Egyptian guy approached the OP to get her number)

You: Bible and Koran don't preach the same thing.

me: well they both came from GOd didn't they?

YOu: well christianity and Islam are different.

Me: I am out.

The reason I stopped responding to the thread is becuase you derailed the topic of the OP, the topic was about individuals who try to preach their religious faith on to someone and not the difference between christianity or Islam,see what I mean, so now the topic of discussion is not what the OP posted about.

 

[Boogie]

I will explain this in away 13 year old would understand.

OP: Egyptian Christian guy approached me today and even though I was wearing Hijab he was preaching me Christianity, why do these preachers do this and try to pass their bulshit to me.

Me: Sometimes when I had no access to Quran I would read the bible and I found out they both preach same thing, I also used to go to church and steal Christian pamlets and pass it around to girls at mall inorder to get their numbers(this implies to the OP that Egyptian guy approached the Hijabs OP to get her number)

You: Bible and Koran don't preach the same

me: well they both came from GOd didn't they?

YOu: well christianity and Islam are different.

Me: I am out.

The reason I stopped responding to the thread is becuasd you derail the topic of OP which was about individuals who try to preach their religious faith on to someone and not the difference better christianity or Islam,see what I mean, so now the topic of discussion is not what the OP posted about.

First of all I am not that stupid and u capping nigga u were talking about going to a church to open people's legs u said they preach the same THING no they don't u got owned by a kid who isn't even puberty

 

[Manafesto]

First of all I am not that stupid and u capping nigga u were talking about going to a church to open people's legs u said they preach the same THING no they don't u got owned by a kid who isn't even puberty

Well that is your problem, you need to let the rest of the comment go if it doesn't apply to topic of discussion, but raising s question on part of the comment just because you don't agree with it is what I meant by derailment, now we both derialled @Asli's thread about Dhuso Bihi .

 

[GemState]

@Asli

Stop making shit up, would you?, Somalia's provesional law states freedom of religion, anyone can practice whatever religion they want to, what is prohabited is spreading any other religion beside Islam among Muslim Somalis.



Also Somalia is not 100% Muslim country anymore, there many Agnostics, atheists, Christians, but you wouldn't know because they get killed and beheaded and live in fear, so they stay in the closet with their beliefs.

You're right with there being a lot of people in the closet, go to any FB Somali group, especially one with young people, there's an insane number of non Muslims there

 

[Villainess]

You're right with there being a lot of people in the closet, go to any FB Somali group, especially one with young people, there's an insane number of non Muslims there

People like Ayaan hirsi don’t even matter. It’s a small percentage but they are loud. Just like the “gay Muslims”. They exist sure, but they are damn loud. But hey, they can’t go back home

 

[Villainess]

Second class citizen? Essentially, what you’re saying is that they are (sub)consciously inferior compared to the first class citizens, the Muslims? This is prejudiced & will lead to discriminatory behavior & actions against them. Then again, the jizya tax “protects” them from this.

How incompetent could rulers be to not protect them? Surely, if you add all the jizya tax levied on the non-Muslims, it would amount to something big. Imagine paying for protection, but coming out of the contract with psychological/physical abuse & trauma. Receiving back the jizya tax won’t help at all because you’ve already went through the struggle of having to pay for protection & the struggle of coming out of the contract with (probable) mental illnesses, stemming from the trauma.

We may be one, but we were made from different tribes. Allah did state that people were made from different ethnicities, tribes & religions so that we can come to know each other. I don’t think countries that host multi-ethnic citizens or religions should be looked down upon, but celebrated. It’s this kind of “we are one” “they are not” attitude that breeds prejudiced thoughts which could result in jahiliyah.

Somalis have already suffered enough from that & the country’s beyond ruined. I think there should be changes in how Somalis view themselves & others. We are educated in the West & have access to many opportunities. I say we don’t take that for granted & remain tolerant & open to new or unfamiliar ideas.

Yes. They are second class. Might I repeat myself? But they are given a great amount of protection as long as they have loyalty and respect to the community.

 

[GemState]

People like Ayaan hirsi don’t even matter. It’s a small percentage but they are loud. Just like the “gay Muslims”. They exist sure, but they are damn loud. But hey, they can’t go back home

The Somalis I'm talking about ARE in home.

 

[SilentE1001]

Those churches were built by gaal colonizers, and they still kept it up. And that law applies in the case that they pay Jizya. These are Somalis who turned to Christianity, not non-Muslims who happen to live in Somalia. For example, the Syrian Christians were allowed to live in the land alongside Muslims. They werent new to the religion. But these are traitors walal

Actually there's only one that when it got refurbished and about to be active, there was protest and complaints.

The building is closed off, and all the stuff inside has been shipped out.

It's used by the local school now

 

[Jiron]

we have to respect people beliefs or lack of beliefs as long as they are also respectful, but it's also important to be muslim so that we can all go to heaven insha'allah

 

[Periplus]

we have to respect people beliefs or lack of beliefs as long as they are also respectful, but it's also important to be muslim so that we can all go to heaven insha'allah

Couldn't agree with this more.

You cannot arrest people for being a different religion to you.

 

[convincation]

1) they are in a Muslim country. In a Muslim country they have to follow our rules. We do not allow corruption.
2) This is not discriminatory. It’s the plain law. They are lucky enough to be deported to Ethiopia and not killled. Many are being arrested for their Islamic faith. Its fair and square, our Constitution agrees on it.

So because they’re in a Muslim country they should be muslim? Yes it is discriminatory and is completely wrong in the days of the khalifa umar and uthman radayallahu anh had Christians and Jews living in their kingdoms of whom they sheltered and protected. These people are still found across the Arabian peninsula. There is a surah in the Quran dedicated to the concept that I have my religion and you have yours what they’re doing and what your promoting goes against the Quran and the teachings of the prophet and goes against Islam as a whole you should be ashamed of yourself. Do not hide your bigotry and your hatred for Christianity by claiming it’s a Muslim country because that was never an issue for the khilaafa who were the best of muslim leaders

 

[Calaf]

Horta why do you and @Calaf always bring up other comments of mine to prove a point specially when it is not even related to the topic?

You: In Somalia the law states no other religion can be practiced.

Me: actually the Somali constitution allows freedom of religion (posted the constitution for proof)

You: Well that is just to show the UN and the IC.

Me: Those laws are changes now, also how come underage marriage is allowed in the constitution also if it is just show off to UN.

You: Well you posted before you live in Oklahoma and you like girls as young as 16.


You need to learn how to debate and accept L and move on if you are cornered instead of jumping in hoops and trying to derail.

No need to tag me, I bring out a point to prove your contradicting yourself for some "FKD points".

 

[Villainess]

So because they’re in a Muslim country they should be muslim? Yes it is discriminatory and is completely wrong in the days of the khalifa umar and uthman radayallahu anh had Christians and Jews living in their kingdoms of whom they sheltered and protected. These people are still found across the Arabian peninsula. There is a surah in the Quran dedicated to the concept that I have my religion and you have yours what they’re doing and what your promoting goes against the Quran and the teachings of the prophet and goes against Islam as a whole you should be ashamed of yourself. Do not hide your bigotry and your hatred for Christianity by claiming it’s a Muslim country because that was never an issue for the khilaafa who were the best of muslim leaders

No one said they should be Muslim. But they clearly should follow the rules. They get deported and/or killled. Now move along, I never wrote the damn constitution nor did I write the shiaria

 

[Villainess]

we have to respect people beliefs or lack of beliefs as long as they are also respectful, but it's also important to be muslim so that we can all go to heaven insha'allah

True, but this is what our law says. If they were atheist I could understand. But why Chrsitanity? I wonder what our ancestors would have done. Imagine all the effort Sayid put to prevent his people from being converted to Christianity by the Brits just to end up Christians? Imagine hearing “I’m a Somali Christian”..shivers down my spine.

 

[Sloane Ranger]

So because they’re in a Muslim country they should be muslim? Yes it is discriminatory and is completely wrong in the days of the khalifa umar and uthman radayallahu anh had Christians and Jews living in their kingdoms of whom they sheltered and protected. These people are still found across the Arabian peninsula. There is a surah in the Quran dedicated to the concept that I have my religion and you have yours what they’re doing and what your promoting goes against the Quran and the teachings of the prophet and goes against Islam as a whole you should be ashamed of yourself. Do not hide your bigotry and your hatred for Christianity by claiming it’s a Muslim country because that was never an issue for the khilaafa who were the best of muslim leaders

nah these guys are murtads intent on converting people to their religion. They deserve zero respect and should be deported to their white massa.