Let's talk about Al-Shabab and the way forward for Somalia

AbdiGeedi

To keep your balance, you must keep moving.
** It is a serious discussion. Please do not devolve into accusing me or others of supporting Al-Shabab. It is a mere attempt to find the way out of Somalia's problems and conflicts.

How can we solve the Al-Shabab issue in Somalia. Al-Shabab acts like they are on their own in Somalia outside the political structures which gives them a cover to act callously like committing terror on the civilians and taxing business people outside the legal venues.

What do you think is the way forward? Is it the fight to end till Al-Shabab is exterminated or finding the way to morph them into a non-violent participant in Somalia's political scene.

I am thinking the solution is somewhere in-between.

As a reference I want to bring up Syria and how this sort of transformations are taking place in that war-torn country.

There is this Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front group known as the Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) now. They are in opposition to the Assad regime and control much of the Idlib province in Syria. They are the so-called rebels. Up until recently they were hardcore jıhadists and were involved in multiple terrorist acts. After the Turkish military poured in into the areas under the HTS control, there were tensions with sporadic outbursts of violence against the Turks. However, Turkey managed to the large extend to reign the HTS in since the latter did not have much of a choice. It was gonna be either the extermination by the Russian/Assad forces or the bowing down to Turkey.

After seeing the benefits of being moderate, the HTS has rebranded itself as the Government of National Salvation (GNS) to secure a seat in Syria's political process.

As a result of it the US has stopped considering the HTS as a threat and even praised it of sorts. Though it is still considered as a terrorist group by most countries. But it is winding down its terrorist side. The HTS now says that it no longer has any connection with Al-Qaeda. And the HTS and the ISIS are hostile to each other since long time ago even before the HTS undertook the reformation path.

I am thinking maybe Al-Shabab can be coerced to change its ways and somehow either disband or start participating in Somalia's political scene.

The HTS and Al-Shabab have striking similarities in the way of taxing and levying local businesses.

By the way in the long term I believe Turkey is going to annex the areas it occupies in Syria. The population under the Turkish umbrella is already being taught Turkish language and use the Turkish lira as the currency of choice after the collapse of Syrian economy.

Russia is already silently annexing the Mediterranean coast of Syria, especially around Palmira. They want to turn the land into a resort area for its citizens. There are rumors that land rights are being sold to the Russian rich investors. The area is being controlled by the Russian military. The Assad and Iranian forces were literally kicked out by the Russians from there.

Please read the article below about HTS's transformation.





 
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No negotiations with terrorists. If we Somalis put our efforts into exterminating this group we would defeat them by now. The corrupt thugs in Villa Amisom have their priorities messed up. Cuckmaajo wasn’t putting efforts to defeat them, instead he was using the army for his political gains. If Militias and federal states can destroy the terrorists, who says we can’t? Why appease them when you can dig their graves deep and send them to hell where they belong?
 

AbdiGeedi

To keep your balance, you must keep moving.
No negotiations with terrorists. If we Somalis put our efforts into exterminating this group we would defeat them by now. The corrupt thugs in Villa Amisom have their priorities messed up. Cuckmaajo wasn’t putting efforts to defeat them, instead he was using the army for his political gains. If Militias and federal states can destroy the terrorists, who says we can’t? Why appease them when you can dig their graves deep and send them to hell where they belong?
I am hearing Al-Shabab is now in all states including Somaliland.
 
I am hearing Al-Shabab is now in all states including Somaliland.
If that’s true then I hope SL forces will destroy those terrorists. The north is relatively peaceful compared to the wild south so they can handle it easily. We need different forces in different regions to defeat the terrorists. Kill them wherever you find them and show them no mercy. We should never negotiate with terrorist scum.
 

Ras

It's all so tiresome
VIP
Arrest the executives and owners of businesses that are paying taxes to AS.

Talking most the Telcos and money transfer companies.

Freeze their assets and temporarily nationalize their businesses until they're able to proof their innocence after an independent trial by a specialized court that deals in this.

Would get rid of 90% of their funding instantly and you'll have mid level people in AS ready to snitch the next day after not being paid.
 

kickz

Engineer of Qandala
SIYAASI
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Shabaab is on the downswing they aren’t even close to what they were a year ago in the capitol in violence. And they are losing land by the day to Somali National Army
 
GO TO WAR WITH THEM!!!!

It's ridiculous that a group made up of a bunch of dudes with aks have been able to last this long.

f*ck the monthly drone strikes and raids.

gather up Somali troops, US troops, turkish troops and launch war on AL-Shaabab. They should have been gone a long time ago.

Turkish trained Somali soldiers + turkish soldiers + us soldiers with high tech military equipment should have absolutely no problem with a 2000-5000 person untrained limited artillery terrorist group.

If by January of 2021, we aren't actively fighting Al-Shaabab on the ground, I give up with this country.
 
Arrest the executives and owners of businesses that are paying taxes to AS.

Talking most the Telcos and money transfer companies.

Freeze their assets and temporarily nationalize their businesses until they're able to proof their innocence after an independent trial by a specialized court that deals in this.

Would get rid of 90% of their funding instantly and you'll have mid level people in AS ready to snitch the next day after not being paid.

You got it wrong buddy. You think they have a choice? All the business owners pay taxes to al shabab. They either do that or get a bullet to the head.
 
The way forward starts with Somaliland-Somalia issue being decided once and for all.There also needs to be an Islamist political party in Somalia & Somaliland that destroys the qabil institution in politics.
 

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Gif-King
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Arrest the executives and owners of businesses that are paying taxes to AS.

Talking most the Telcos and money transfer companies.

Freeze their assets and temporarily nationalize their businesses until they're able to proof their innocence after an independent trial by a specialized court that deals in this.

Would get rid of 90% of their funding instantly and you'll have mid level people in AS ready to snitch the next day after not being paid.
punishing execs is impossible. Nationalizing would be a good idea if the government wasn’t so corrupt and incompetent.

To defeat AS you must be better than them their is simply no other answer to why they win over us other than they are superior in almost every metric.

They are less corrupt, less tribalist, less nepotistic, and less cowardly they have the will to die and our will is only capable of calling in our enemies and stealing land for our clans from miskiin camel herders. Shariif should have turned the country around but he proved that the their is no force capable of turning the heaping pile of garbage that is the TFG today into a strong self respecting government.

The whole thing needs to come down but the Somali people are not willing to see another government collapse it would destroy them not to mention how the IC would react. My advise would be to fire every last one of them and to pull together the army and form a temporary military dictatorship formed across clan lines.
 

Ras

It's all so tiresome
VIP
punishing execs is impossible. Nationalizing would be a good idea if the government wasn’t so corrupt and incompetent.

To defeat AS you must be better than them their is simply no other answer to why they win over us other than they are superior in almost every metric.

They are less corrupt, less tribalist, less nepotistic, and less cowardly they have the will to die and our will is only capable of calling in our enemies and stealing land for our clans from miskiin camel herders. Shariif should have turned the country around but he proved that the their is no force capable of turning the heaping pile of garbage that is the TFG today into a strong self respecting government.

The whole thing needs to come down but the Somali people are not willing to see another government collapse it would destroy them not to mention how the IC would react. My advise would be to fire every last one of them and to pull together the army and form a temporary military dictatorship formed across clan lines.

Sxb there's no "them".

AS is made up of

1. lost kids who see this as their way out of starvation

2. Mentally ill who do most the suicide bombing and attacks. They believe in the terrorist ideology but that's because their like brainwashed children.

3. Higher ups are all economic opportunist. AS probably made over 100m. The foot soldiers don't even wear proper shoes so where do you think all this wealth went lol?

You take away the financial incentive of those at the top and they'll find another con or retire while AS falls apart without them.
 
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