Let sit under the Somali tree and think outside the box

[Guure⁸]

You want us to distance ourselves from the last government to care about us Somalis? It never will happen!

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I thought siyad was a socialist not a communist

 

[Guure⁸]

Delusional, misinformed and masquerading tribal Darod talking points. Your intellectual dishonesty is typical of the Somali indho adeeg. How can you be so wrong and so loud about it? Get a fucking grip man.



1. Mogadishu has better security and governance today than it did four years ago under Farmaajo. Just because there's no CBB fanfare, one doesn't need all that to know the communities of Xamar are vibrant, resilient, hardworking business people. Your xaasidnimo is so bleak and obvious the likes of you believe Mogadishu's private industry was funded by Turks while other Somali cities are "self made". Go learn who the WFP and the World Bank are and where they operate. Imagine believing the Turks built our cities scenic hotels and restaurants instead of public sectors like the Military and Health sectors.

2. The "communities" of Mogadishu founded the ICU which was the best grassroot structured anti corruption islamic regime since 1991. I would go as far as saying since 1960 but the only other non "corrupt" figure they face off against would be Aadan Cadde, suprise suprise a Hawiye figure.

3. The most corrupt regime in Somali history was that of Abdirashid and Egal. Two men representing the regions you been glazing in the whole thread. Their corruption was so rampant that 100+ parties participated in elections, we recieved the most aid in Africa by 1968-1969, the president was assasinated over a mere MPs chair and a coup had to happen to stop the corruption going further with the kursi madaxwayne almost being dumaaled by a relative of the slain president (Muuse Boqor). Egal was playing roulette with Somali taxpayers money while vote-buying went on for Villa Somalia.

4. Alshabaab were able to stage attacks in Kenya and Ethiopia. These insurgencies are a global phenomenom, but your clan lenses is disturbed but no worries, imma go clan for clan, pound for pound here.

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Who lives in Jubaland and Koonfur Galbeed? What is ISIS doing in PL to the point they tax local markets and foreign jets have to take off from Carmo (Bari) to rain rockets on mountain hideouts only a few dozen miles from their bases? What is the explanation of AS employing Dir/Isaaq figures as the face of their movement, who recieve open commisserations from Buurmadow and Dir elders and have their capital in Jilib and Jamaame where a large number of Dir congregrate?



I really don't get your point here. For argument sake let's ignore the obvious elephant in the room (US-Ethiopian Occupation and subsequent AMISOM mission that prolonged the ethnic violence and generic mooryaanism that the ICU stamped out) and go with what you are saying. The Great Noble BuUnTland, who fOunDed TfG. Are you basically saying Federalism was coined by AY, therefore we are beholden and should be hostage to PL's interests? You do know PL has always wanted a bigger share of the pie than its sister states. So much for being statesmen lmfao. For the record Abdullahi Yusuf was once a Marxist in 1979, all he merely did was declare a rebel group and take a left where Afwayne took a right (Afwayne became a US ally). After the Civil War he took a left where others took a right (transitional government of Ali Mahdi and Abdiqasim). Infact one can even argue the real tenancy of Federalism belongs to Digil & Mirifle. They were Federalists before we were even a country. And the first group to declare a maamul goboleed was Shaatigaduud in 1995 before General Aidid invaded Baidoa again. Baidoa also became the capital of the TFG. Mind you Federalism was signed off in 2002-2003 by AY, Hiiraale, Hawiye Warlords and Digil y Mirifle under Kenya and Ethiopia's watch in Mbagathi. Mind you the TPLF had already federalised Ethiopia by then, so i'm not entirely sure why you seem to glaze PL so much. This is 2D thinking. Abdullahi Yusuf was not even the passionate Federalist you think he was. He got no crumbs from the Cairo conference in 1997 the last reconciliation conference he attended and then declared PL state in protest. He then used Ethiopian auxillaries to fend off his own cousins in Bosaso to keep his chair, then used PL as a ladder to win the kursi in Xamar, exactly what Deni is doing today.



Stop saying Darod and Dir/Isaaq here and correct yourself nigga. Siyaasiyiin Majeerteen and Isaaq baa kulmay. For the record i support healthy opposition. Dir iyo Darod waa wiil iyo abtigiis, idinkoo heshiis ah aniga dan bay ii tahay. And there is nothing commendable about supporting self-determination in Somalia when it means secession, again intellectual dishonesty.



Parallel government, anti Xamar blah blah keep that energy up i like it. But Hell freezes if you think that shit runs anywhere south of Gaalkacyo. Qibladaydii siyaasadeed waa Muqdisho, waa meel aan shalay madaxwayne kasoo noqday, waa meel walaalahayaga deganyihiin, kaalay walaalkaa ila cay walaalkaygana ila amaan waa habeenkii xalay oo tagay, i think that last paragraph was your worst proposal yet but overall very poor.

Comparing ISIS in puntland to AS is stupid, ISIS are losing and they are hiding behind mountains while AS took more then 5 towns only this year

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

I thought siyad was a socialist not a communist

Communism is the final stage, Socialism is the road to get there. So the USSR for example was in the Socialist mode of production- not the Communist one. Communism is the name for the ideology (and in this usage, 'Communist' and 'Socialist' are interchangeable).

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

Comparing ISIS in puntland to AS is stupid, ISIS are losing and they are hiding behind mountains while AS took more then 5 towns only this year

Also Kebab is a Somali movement, while IS is at the end of the day an Arab one.

Kebab can recruit and get supplies in Somalia, IS cannot.

 

[Guure⁸]

Communism is the final stage, Socialism is the road to get there. So the USSR for example was in the Socialist mode of production- not the Communist one. Communism is the name for the ideology (and in this usage, 'Communist' and 'Socialist' are interchangeable).

But there were private sectors during siyaad's regime how can he be a Communist?

 

[Guure⁸]

Also Kebab is a Somali movement, while IS is at the end of the day an Arab one.

Kebab can recruit and get supplies in Somalia, IS cannot.

Also IS's leaders are nowhere to be found while mahad karate is siting in his mansion in jilib

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

But there were private sectors during siyaad's regime how can he be a Communist?

Somalia never actually got to be under the Socialist mode of production, you need to remember that these things take time. Using the Soviet example they became a Communist country by ideology in 1917, but only in 1928 did it actually become a Socialist country (11 years). For context the space between the coup in 1969 and the defeat in 78 was nine years (the years progress was being made). For the rest of his tenure the country's progress towards Socialism slows significantly and later reverses as a result of foreign and domestic pressure on the government and eventually faces collapse.

 

[Guure⁸]

Somalia never actually got to be under the Socialist mode of production, you need to remember that these things take time. Using the Soviet example they became a Communist country by ideology in 1917, but only in 1928 did it actually become a Socialist country (11 years). For context the space between the coup in 1969 and the defeat in 78 was nine years (the years progress was being made). For the rest of his tenure the country's progress towards Socialism slows significantly and later reverses as a result of foreign and domestic pressure on the government and eventually faces collapse.

Give me book suggestions about communism and Socialism I want to have a good read regarding on these topics

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

Give me book suggestions about communism and Socialism I want to have a good read regarding on these topics

Some Comrades developed a great online list not too long ago. If you want a better reading experience search up these titles on 'https://www.marxists.org/glossary/index.htm'

Marxist-Leninist Reading Hub - Reading List

How Does it Work?

www.mlreadinghub.org

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

Some Comrades developed a great online list not too long ago. If you want a better reading experience search up these titles on 'https://www.marxists.org/glossary/index.htm'

Marxist-Leninist Reading Hub - Reading List

How Does it Work?

www.mlreadinghub.org

@TheLand What's funny? I did not go out of my way shoving books in people's faces he asked me to do that. Maybe you are talking abt the images on the website? I did not make them nor are they even that outlandish.

Pizzaz=propaganda after all

 

[TheLand]

@TheLand What's funny? I did not go out of my way shoving books in people's faces he asked me to do that. Maybe you are talking abt the images on the website? I did not make them nor are they even that outlandish.

Pizzaz=propaganda after all

You’re gonna turn Khaatumo into a communist state

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

You’re gonna turn Khaatumo into a communist state

Guure is from WB? Never knew.

And in any case what if Guure does indeed magically turn into some kind of Maoist commando using a psychic blast to reactivate all the Harti Waqooyi Guulwadayaal and harnass his inner NSS agent? One man cannot do all that lol.

If all it took was some reading, the whole world would be awash with us! But as Marx says: "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it"

 

[TheLand]

Guure is from WB? Never knew.

And in any case what if Guure does indeed magically turn into some kind of Maoist commando using a psychic blast to reactivate all the Harti Waqooyi Guulwadayaal and harnass his inner NSS agent? One man cannot do all that lol.

If all it took was some reading, the whole world would be awash with us! But as Marx says: "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it"

Your uncle Marx was wrong, it’s not about materialism, it’s about identity.