latest clan to announce war against sh*bab

[Devilsadvocate]

Beesha duduble have announced they will recommence the war against sh*bab in galmudug. If this is serious, we could potentially see ceelbuur and other areas liberated this year.

 

[NidarNidar]

There should be a way out for the low-level soldiers, this will make fighting them easier, we need some re; education camps.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

How’s that going to work out? Aren’t most of them supporters of AS?

 

[The Oponian Guild]

There should be a way out for the low-level soldiers, this will make fighting them easier, we need some re; education camps.

They’ve tried that before but it just led to moles infiltrating the SNA. You just have to take the fight to them and batter them as is happening in PL.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

How’s that going to work out? Aren’t most of them supporters of AS?

Not even being snarky or anything, but Duduble openly have supported and fought in the ranks of AS, they’re literally one of the most pro Al shabab reers out there. It’s a geniune question.

 

[NidarNidar]

They’ve tried that before but it just led to moles infiltrating the SNA. You just have to take the fight to them and batter them as is happening in PL.

They need to be arrested and reeducated, the way out isn't joining the military but serving time.

I used to play an old game that dealt with insurgency funny enough a lot of the tactics used in the game were devised by someone who had a BA in terrorism and insurgency(social science), it was hard just fighting them, you need to win the hearts and minds of people, limit civilian casualties and offer a way out for low level grunts.

 

[TheLand]

The problem isn’t beating shebab it’s occupying the land after they are pushed out. They will just come back even to PL if there aren’t troops placed there permanently and paid fairly.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

They need to be arrested and reeducated, the way out isn't joining the military but serving time.

I used to play an old game that dealt with insurgency funny enough a lot of the tactics used in the game were devised by someone who had a BA in terrorism and insurgency(social science), it was hard just fighting them, you need to win the hearts and minds of people, limit civilian casualties and offer a way out for low level grunts.

Sure I’d say that’s a more than viable set of solutions, but that’s really incumbent on if said insurgency group is on the back foot and low morale, right now Al shabab carry the momentum and they’ve been engaged in offensives all across the south, their fighters have high morale and I can’t see them giving it up all of the sudden.

 

[Devilsadvocate]

How’s that going to work out? Aren’t most of them supporters of AS?

How so? Just because ceelbuur is under sh*bab control doesn’t mean the majority of them are AS supporters, a lot of duduble live in xamar and other places in galmudug.

 

[TheLand]

They need to be arrested and reeducated, the way out isn't joining the military but serving time.

I used to play an old game that dealt with insurgency funny enough a lot of the tactics used in the game were devised by someone who had a BA in terrorism and insurgency(social science), it was hard just fighting them, you need to win the hearts and minds of people, limit civilian casualties and offer a way out for low level grunts.

Stop playing GTA and calling hookers ‘civilians’

 

[The Oponian Guild]

How so? Just because ceelbuur is under sh*bab control doesn’t mean the majority of them are AS supporters, a lot of duduble live in xamar and other places in galmudug.

Putting territorial control aside, Duduble are infamous in Somalia for being the backbone of AS, they provide a lot of fighters and bombers. they’ve also got a deep political relationship with AS, even going as far back in the ICU era.

im genuinely not trying to be inflammatory when I say that entire clans support that group down south, it’s the naked truth.

 

[NidarNidar]

Stop playing GTA and calling hookers ‘civilians’

Nah this was old skool game, I forgot the name, it was text based web game in the early 2010's.

 

[Devilsadvocate]

Putting territorial control aside, Duduble are infamous in Somalia for being the backbone of AS, they provide a lot of fighters and bombers. they’ve also got a deep political relationship with AS, even going as far back in the ICU era.

im genuinely not trying to be inflammatory when I say that entire clans support that group down south, it’s the naked truth.

There are far more duduble soldiers in the SNA than there are in AS. Many of them have died liberating Somali lands from AS and I don’t think there’s a single duduble leader in AS. To say that entire clans support AS in the south is false. I often hear this rhetoric used against raxanweyne, duduble, and madoweyne. But, I do agree with you that the duduble in ceelbuur are definitely pro sh*baab.

 

[FBIsomalia]

They’ve tried that before but it just led to moles infiltrating the SNA. You just have to take the fight to them and batter them as is happening in PL.

The problem in south is they consider them relative or family ina-deer, even they let them join SNA and Somalia goverment.

 

[Devilsadvocate]

The problem in south is they consider them relative or family ina-deer, even they let them join SNA and Somalia goverment.

Would you say this mentality is different in the north? Do people there take a harsh stance against family members that are involved with t*rrorism.

 

[TheLand]

Would you say this mentality is different in the north? Do people there take a harsh stance against family members that are involved with t*rrorism.

Yes, and terrorists are regularly executed by the dozens there. Anyone who is convicted will be put to death regardless whether it’s a big tribe or small tribe. Funnily enough, I saw some west Africans recently crying about a regime executing innocent people, I forget which country but it was fake news. They were using footage of shabaab executions in PL to trick people. They were all wearing macawiis. Somalis were correcting them in the comments.

 

[Devilsadvocate]

Yes, and terrorists are regularly executed by the dozens there. Anyone who is convicted will be put to death regardless whether it’s a big tribe or small tribe. Funnily enough, I saw some west Africans recently crying about a regime executing innocent people, I forget which country but it was fake news. They were using footage of shabaab executions in PL to trick people. They were all wearing macawiis. Somalis were correcting them in the comments.

What I find strange about the south is that there's always rumours about someone’s neighbour is sh*bab, someone’s cousin is sh*bab so why is no one snitching then? It’s very normalised.

 

[TheLand]

What I find strange about the south is that there's always rumours about someone’s neighbour is sh*bab, someone’s cousin is sh*bab so why is no one snitching then? It’s very normalised. Even my mum told me to avoid suuqa xoolaha because it’s sh*bab central.

It’s the same thing you hear in the west. People don’t like to snitch and I honestly don’t blame them anymore. Why risk getting hurt or killed, when you know even if this person is caught they will just be replaced by someone else? It’s the authorities job to police and capture criminals imo, not the people. The people don’t have guns to defend themselves and the police won’t patrol your house to protect you if you tell.

 

[dhaxabaay]

Would you say this mentality is different in the north? Do people there take a harsh stance against family members that are involved with t*rrorism.

in galkaacyo, this lady’s grandson was found guilty for being one and he was executed she didn’t hide him nor complain against the government. The culture is very strict and intolerant of terrorists to ‘clean up your house before it spills in the outside’ per-say

 

[Grimmer]

What I find strange about the south is that there's always rumours about someone’s neighbour is sh*bab, someone’s cousin is sh*bab so why is no one snitching then? It’s very normalised. Even my mum told me to avoid suuqa xoolaha because it’s sh*bab central.

This very true, especially in the tuulos. A house will be packed with 10 and 2 of them will be al Shabaab