Inquisitive_
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There was no battle they went into hiding when ICU arrived despite outnumbering them over 10x with way more weapons, around hobyo
Khawarij release video of Adan Yabal disaster.
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Interesting.
People like Madobe and laftagaren looking real smart right now. Their war chest full and their people not dying in mass
With Al shabab Options are paying taxes and coexisting. Or you losing even more money and blood fighting war which is not bad trade if you win.
But unless there is clear path to victory best stick with option 1 and strike with decisive blow when winning is assured. Clans like Xawadle are paying heave price and losing so many people with no end in sight
With Al shabab Options are paying taxes and coexisting. Or you losing even more money and blood fighting war which is not bad trade if you win.
But unless there is clear path to victory best stick with option 1 and strike with decisive blow when winning is assured. Clans like Xawadle are paying heave price and losing so many people with no end in sight
Sounds like a posthoc to me. Neither of those leaders desire to govern the people under Al-Shabaab because they don't want to give them equal representation. For ecample in KGS Digil, Garre, Gaaljecel would demand far more representation. LaftaGareen has no incentive to empower them while he could keep KGS as a Mirifle project instead. Don't even get me started on Jubbaland and Madobe.
That is why the FGS has to force their hands and further decentralization must take place willing or unwilling. f*ck state rights if we are engaging in top down approach take the extra mile nacallaa.
They will keep your regions impoverished and underdeveloped as all trade will either halt or be extremely difficult and expensive. But it is better than losing your land to other people. They are not a desirable option. Of course this is not a problem if Laftagareen and Madobe have no intention to develop the lands and people under Shabab or evolve beyond paper state status.
For example would you choose to lose your lands to a clan using Ethiopian state resources to displace you or would you ally with an organization that promises to fight with you, provide ammunition, training, and arms, in exchange for zako, soldiers, logistical support, base of operation etc. Could anyone blame you for protecting your land?
This is complete fabrication Xawadle have fought with Alshabab numerous times past decade this government is the first one to assist them.
Xawaadle are exactly like the ppl living on Deex, waa reer guura, Alshabaab can't tax them effectively and only wants to use their lands to establish logistics and maybe isbaaro. If Xawaadle joins Al-Shabab tomorrow I suspect that the Agoonyar will join government forces. Before this war Agoonyar were with the government forces and AlShabaab with Xawadle. Why is that?
These two clans have had land disputes for some time. Alshabab wants to take advantage of that. A lot of people and politicians seem to have a problem telling the pastoralist groups to stay on their land. If Kenya can bring peace between her pastoralist and settled farmers who share different religion and values. How on Earth are Somalis failing at it?
The problems here are much more nuanced and far easier to handle if people stopped politicizing these issues, stoke hatred and insert themselves into affairs they know nothing off.
From Hargeysa to Garissa people spewing bullshit about these events. Like some group is superior to another, while everyone back home are just trying to make ends meet and protect their livelihoods.
There are no sides, seek for lasting solutions and stop praising visionless leaders.
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Im not praising them just saying that they know their limits . They not attacking because they worried about representation .they know it will be heavy price and their not confident who will win. Cawadle is bleeding out they are 24/7 last couple weeeks saying please help us we are in trouble
I understand your angle, but no one forced Jeyte to fight. Him and Xawadle chose to fight Alshabab for a reason and they have been at war before the operations by this current government began. It would be disingenuous to blame The Government that has been assisting them unconditionally for more than two years. And wouldn't be quite the insult to Jeyte himself if you say to him ''it wouldve been smarter to allow Alshabaab keep your lands in the stone age''? They took arms to be masters of their own fate and I say that is more than commendable.
I hope Jeyte, SNA and The Government have learned their lesson on the importance of keeping discipline and upholding justice. Having a plan on how to create incentives for settled communities to abandon Alshabab. Because stupid pr stunts and allowing nefarious groups to politicize your struggle will only create unnecessary hostilities and drive a wedge between comrades in arms.
I hope the new operation that are beginning will bring much needed relief.
Chaseyourdreamzz
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So agoonyar are farmers and pastoralist clans are encroaching in their lands is that the crux of the issue ?
Abdisamad
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They need to remove that skinny guy with a teenage boy body from the army commander position.. But Somalia is ruled by incompetent corrupt leaders, no hope for this nation.
There are couple of certified officers from Kacaan or pre Kacaan era still alive. These people went through proper training at top European military schools and west point. It's a shame the govt refuses to give them command. I'm sure many would be eager to serve the country again.
In this case essentially, yes. There have been two years of complaints about the undisciplined Somali National Army (SNA) and favoritism in resolving conflicts. The rest involves opportunistic and malicious groups exploiting the situation, which stems from military incompetence and the absence of a concrete post-Al-Shabaab stabilization plan. Relying on Mr. Guudlaawe to deliver services is certainly not a plan.
I still don't understand why SNA must man these bases. Instead of them being the main force, use that salary to create local police force. Let the people living there protect themselves. Put them in the front line with the SNA. The blood of the locals waa inuu huraa, so they see Alshabaab as the enemy they really are.
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The culumo and politicians been drilling that into the heads of these soldiers for years calling them mujahideen and shuhadaa. But here we see the proof. Millions of dollars in training, salaries, logistics, foreign support and air strikes for almost two decades and they FLEE every single time. You know we’re done for when the families of these soldiers are being threatened and they have no choice but to surrender. Just admit it Sxbky. They taking over somalia and anyone with two eyes can see it.
The problem with those guys is that some of them are too old and have been driving taxis in the West for 30 years. Warfare, like other sciences, moves on and a person who has been stagnant for years is not exactly going to massively change the course of the battle. Honestly speaking, those Shabab commanders who have experience all the way from black hawk down-possibly trained in Afghanistan-fought Ethiopians etc -and have been waging a 20 year war- are probably better suited to fighting in Somalia than some old heads from the diaspora who can’t even control their children
look how those Hargeysa generals turned out to be useless in Laascaanood and got caught fleeing by school children.
I know some people who got big positions within the military from Hassan sheikh but I would not even employ them to run a Kitchen shift. A lot of them are also just interested in fleecing aid money or stealing grants.
There is cultural problem with rampant khat chewing and payment not being made on time. No army can have a high morale in such conditions.
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Average Shabab commander has never stepped foot outside of the country. The only ones with high level training like that are the top brass who are never on the frontlines.Honestly speaking, those Shabab commanders who have experience all the way from black hawk down-possibly trained in Afghanistan-fought Ethiopians etc -and have been waging a 20 year war- are probably better suited to fighting in Somalia than some old heads from the diaspora who can’t even control their children
Better a Kacaan officer than some local millitas leader who couldn't tell you what their strategic objective is other than killing AL Shabab. Gen Morgan was helping PL top brass plan ISIS destruction in operation hilaac. Gen Nur Galal masterminded the counter offensive against AS in Galmudug. Hell even Gen Bixi was the architect behind Adan Yabal liberation.
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The problem with those guys is that some of them are too old and have been driving taxis in the West for 30 years. Warfare, like other sciences, moves on and a person who has been stagnant for years is not exactly going to massively change the course of the battle. Honestly speaking, those Shabab commanders who have experience all the way from black hawk down-possibly trained in Afghanistan-fought Ethiopians etc -and have been waging a 20 year war- are probably better suited to fighting in Somalia than some old heads from the diaspora who can’t even control their children
look how those Hargeysa generals turned out to be useless in Laascaanood and got caught fleeing by school children.
I know some people who got big positions within the military from Hassan sheikh but I would not even employ them to run a Kitchen shift. A lot of them are also just interested in fleecing aid money or stealing grants.
There is cultural problem with rampant khat chewing and payment not being made on time. No army can have a high morale in such conditions.
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Give these young men proper compensation and actual combat attire before fighting these terrorist dogs. Moral is super low, I would have deserted my post too.
You really know SNA is paper army when Somali regional forces in Ethiopia were capable of defeating and repulsing Al-Shabab back in 2022. Even Jubaland's and SW's armies don't have any capabilities.
The elites of Somalia were never interested in defeating AS, they use the khawarij threat to maintain their own power by asking for a steady flow of aid and foreign troops from Ethiopia, Kenya and the UN. A natural consequence of a forced top down approach of governance by ajnabis.
The elites of Somalia were never interested in defeating AS, they use the khawarij threat to maintain their own power by asking for a steady flow of aid and foreign troops from Ethiopia, Kenya and the UN. A natural consequence of a forced top down approach of governance by ajnabis.
