Kenya's plan against Somalis rapidly advancing at UN (with Etiopian help)

[tyrannicalmanager]

Won't stop them trying

You gotta admit, they have more balls and marginally more intellect than the Mogadishu lot

yet N&N have to them in a unwinnable situation in september.

 

[Futurist]

I don't understand. If the court rules that the waters belong to Somalia, then isn't the case closed? Are they going to revive a case that has already been ruled on by the ICJ and bring it before the UN once again?

Even if they somehow accomplished that, they cannot erase the ICJ ruling. It will always be there as precedent and will be used as a basis in future cases by Somalia, in addition to the mountain of evidence that we currently have. In other words, Kenya would not be able to keep the waters forever if they stole it.

The court can rule all it likes

You're pre-empting what the ruling might say. I think it'll tell them to come to a negotiated agreement of some kind

At the end of the day the "International Community" decides how to implement the ruling

If enough American/Oil/Norwegian/British/Chinese oil companies are interested in the oil & gas fields, they will make up some excuse to award it to Kenya

At the end of the day geopolitical interests of the super powers, regional powers and multinational corporate interests drive International Law, as @Somalinimo indicated

The issue is no-one has any reason whatsoever to support Somalia. It is literally a periah state.

 

[Futurist]

yet N&N have to them in a unwinnable situation in september.

Presumptuous to say the least

Looking objectively, Kenya have been winning all along

5 years ago, 10 years ago, the coastline was not even up for discussion

Today there is a debate at the International Court as to whether Kenya owns it or Somalia owns it

Kenya controls the territory militarily

It has installed a stooge in Kismaayo

It has the backing of the African Union

It has the backing of the EAC

It will have a seat on the UNSC which it can leverage to get support from other countries who want to get things done at the UNSC i.e. on an (indirect) quid-pro-quo basis

Kenya is playing chess, Somalia is playing checkers

 

[Ras]

The maritime case is ending in a few weeks. Kenya won't get their seat on the security council until 2021. I don't think they will be able to do anything about the sea because the case will be long closed by then.

They can promise future votes.

 

[Ras]

If Kenya somehow strong arms the coast from us then that would give us an excuse to take back the NFD later and leave them landlocked.

 

[Somalinimo]

The court can rule all it likes

You're pre-empting what the ruling might say. I think it'll tell them to come to a negotiated agreement of some kind

At the end of the day the "International Community" decides how to implement the ruling

If enough American/Oil/Norwegian/British/Chinese oil companies are interested in the oil & gas fields, they will make up some excuse to award it to Kenya

At the end of the day geopolitical interests of the super powers, regional powers and multinational corporate interests drive International Law, as @Somalinimo indicated

The issue is no-one has any reason whatsoever to support Somalia. It is literally a periah state.

Exactly. The problem with Somaliweyn and any pro Somali politics is that there is no one who would benefit from our rise to power. Everyone with the exception of Afars, who it is in our interests to create a buffer state (Afaria) for, would only lose power.

Any hope for a great somali future isn't going to be easy. In the worst case we will have the entire world on our doorstep invading somaliweyn and nuking us back to the stone age. China, Russia and America all beating the shit out of Somalia for daring to join the Big boy leagues.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Presumptuous to say the least

Looking objectively, Kenya have been winning all along

5 years ago, 10 years ago, the coastline was not even up for discussion

Today there is a debate at the International Court as to whether Kenya owns it or Somalia owns it

Kenya controls the territory militarily

It has installed a stooge in Kismaayo

It has the backing of the African Union

It has the backing of the EAC

It will have a seat on the UNSC which it can leverage to get support from other countries who want to get things done at the UNSC i.e. on an (indirect) quid-pro-quo basis

Kenya is playing chess, Somalia is playing checkers

"Kenya controls the territory militarily" they'll leave after the court case

"It has installed a stooge in Kismaayo"
your overestimating kenyan, the kenyan stooge your talking about was a ex uic/alshabab warlord and key planer of the garissa attack, not very smart if i say so my self.
"secondly
It has the backing of the African Union

It has the backing of the EAC"
support of the martime dispute or just ally?
"It will have a seat on the UNSC which it can leverage to get support from other countries who want to get things done at the UNSC i.e. on an (indirect) quid-pro-quo basis"
all of will happen after the court case.
kenya is a retarded chest player
while somalia checker champion