Kenya History And Politics

[DR OSMAN]

Come in Somalis, we could really be bridge for all east africa and horn. We know Ethiopians and Kenyans. Let's discuss Kenya which we don't much. We tend to be well behaved with them, is it a sense of their no 'threat' or we know 'their capability'? I remember siyad saying he would send the police to invade kenya mocking their capabilities.

All I know is the herder type tribes are warriors due to their environmental conditioning and possibly war-like even 'mentally' and fiercely independent.

The farmer type tribes I know by conditioning they would be weak and possibly naked. The Coastal people the swahili I wud assume is their real ruling class a mix of arab and bantu, even tho kikuyu were the puppets of british and empowered by them at the cost of other groups(divide n rule).

If u can add to my knowledge, please do. I always class africans as farmers, coastal, desert people and have 'pre assumptions' built into what type of cultures those environments can foster and mentalities.

Were they all naked? I assume that's the case when u see 'western first names' in front of their african name and I can understand why somalis were worried about british imperialism at the cost of cultural/religious preservation. Surely we could've cut a deal to preserve our identity/religion and work with the british who have an impressive colonial track record in comparison to Italy and France. But maybe it wasn't possible due to the prevailing fascism world wide and supremacy attitude.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We need OGS like @SPMLegend to wake up to their strategic importance, I know MJS wud be milking their strategical location to our advantage. We wud make kenya/ethio lovers of majerteniya only and ensure the govt is always majerten.

 

[killerxsmoke]

Come in Somalis, we could really be bridge for all east africa and horn. We know Ethiopians and Kenyans. Let's discuss Kenya which we don't much. We tend to be well behaved with them, is it a sense of their no 'threat' or we know 'their capability'? I remember siyad saying he would send the police to invade kenya mocking their capabilities.

All I know is the herder type tribes are warriors due to their environmental conditioning and possibly war-like even 'mentally' and fiercely independent.

The farmer type tribes I know by conditioning they would be weak and possibly naked. The Coastal people the swahili I wud assume is their real ruling class a mix of arab and bantu, even tho kikuyu were the puppets of british and empowered by them at the cost of other groups(divide n rule).

If u can add to my knowledge, please do. I always class africans as farmers, coastal, desert people and have 'pre assumptions' built into what type of cultures those environments can foster and mentalities.

Were they all naked? I assume that's the case when u see 'western first names' in front of their african name and I can understand why somalis were worried about british imperialism at the cost of cultural/religious preservation. Surely we could've cut a deal to preserve our identity/religion and work with the british who have an impressive colonial track record in comparison to Italy and France. But maybe it wasn't possible due to the prevailing fascism world wide and supremacy attitude.

I lived 5 years in Kenya and went to school their, in their social studies class in their history section they mainly talk about what happened in colonialism. They never talk about the muslim kingdoms in Mombasa or Malindi, maybe u will get these history lessons in higher classes who knows. During the British colonialism even tho they were a protectorate they were treated like slaves and dogs

 

[DR OSMAN]

I lived 5 years in Kenya and went to school their, in their social studies class in their history section they mainly talk about what happened in colonialism. They never talk about the muslim kingdoms in Mombasa or Malindi, maybe u will get these history lessons in higher classes who knows. During the British colonialism even tho they were a protectorate they were treated like slaves and dogs

I know Somalis in the south even Majerteniya would go to mombasa to purchase slaves, I wud assume their was a lack of knowledge in fishing for us and we needed to tap into the trade and farming skills lacking in the south for the southies.

I know they wouldn't be crazy to disturb the herder type tribes who are already conditioned mentally/historically/environmentally to be warriors, plus they wouldn't even have the skills they were looking for.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I lived 5 years in Kenya and went to school their, in their social studies class in their history section they mainly talk about what happened in colonialism. They never talk about the muslim kingdoms in Mombasa or Malindi, maybe u will get these history lessons in higher classes who knows. During the British colonialism even tho they were a protectorate they were treated like slaves and dogs

Why u think their concealing a 'pre colonial' study section and only starting with the british? that's not going to instill any national pride and sense of identity talking about 'foreigner' history, it will only fuel the myth 'african history started with the arrival of the white man' and before then they were in 'trees' like the monkey.

I hope local Somali have a pre-colonial history covering all our different ages from land of punt up untill the last kingdom and the coastal kingdoms. To erase people history should be universal crime in my opinion and strictly opposed at a U.N level. It's insane ppl go to extreme length to not accept 'diversity' as if it's some threat to their personal or national egos.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Trust me That coastal strip from mogadishu to zanzibar were civilized and urbanites and had sophisticated system relative to their time period and regional axis, they weren't civilizations of the roman or greek level or even the british, but they served a large axis including our country trade. I know our sultanate in PL wouldn't go to zanzibar if their was nothing to gain. Also with Oman which was another big player

 

[DR OSMAN]

@killerxsmoke africans maybe scared to discuss pre-history prior to colonialism in fear it may stoke division locally and create division, so they may assume discussing foreign colonialism will create a shared unity for its ppl. But we must remember that will also fuel the africa were monkeys before white man, we must calculate the loss of not teaching pre-history.

My father told me that's why somalis didn't do it in fear it may stoke 'supremacy' attitude locally and fuel division or segregation iyo in lays 'yaaso' looooooool. Even tho our anthem was written ' Hadba kiina taag darane'. Kiina can mean individual or collective and somalis didn't see them as 'individuals' but as 'clans' so it's definitely referring to help 'lesser clans' in a 'word play' without being 'direct'

@Tropical Breeze

 

[GemState]

Kenya isn't a serious country, they just lucked out with heavy British investment during colonialism + decent amount of natural resources. Bantus generally have low conscientiousness, low ethnocentricism & low territoriality. They're also extremely liberal for their income levels

Manufacturing capacity & potential can be roughly judged by the "AK Line." Countries that have domestic production of AK rifles generally can also produce other basic mechanical items. But inability to produce the AK suggests virtually zero domestic mechanical production ability.

For instance, Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, and S. Africa produce AK, while other SSA nations do not. This accurately indicates that those 4 nations are above a certain technical baseline. These same nations could assemble kit automobiles, produce basic durables, etc.

I'd say the top 4 SSA nations in terms of potential: Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria & South Africa.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Kenya isn't a serious country, they just lucked out with heavy British investment during colonialism + decent amount of natural resources. Bantus generally have low conscientiousness, low ethnocentricism & low territoriality. They're also extremely liberal for their income levels

Manufacturing capacity & potential can be roughly judged by the "AK Line." Countries that have domestic production of AK rifles generally can also produce other basic mechanical items. But inability to produce the AK suggests virtually zero domestic mechanical production ability.

For instance, Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, and S. Africa produce AK, while other SSA nations do not. This accurately indicates that those 4 nations are above a certain technical baseline. These same nations could assemble kit automobiles, produce basic durables, etc.

I'd say the top 4 SSA nations in terms of potential: Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria & South Africa.

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I didn't know about the AK line makes sense, cuz i know their is mechanical economies and primitive economies(manual, hand based), I didn't know the AK line defines it.

Interesting knowledge gain, thanks. I know tho security independence is critical to create your own weapons not 'buy' it only as it can be used to 'shut down' your capability as happened to siyad.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GemState Is it by any chance those 4 SSA nations were chosen for mechanical investment to create 'future' capabilities for them to play sheriff in their region when the big powers decide to expand their capability.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GemState I identified mechanical engineering being a critical gap to fill at our clan, region, nation as a whole, it should be on all 'isimo' of clans and politicians priorities when they establish ties and do mutual interest it has to include a component of 'knowledge transfer' to ensure our survivability not just 'trade' which is short-term only and allows us to 'exist' but our capability never evolves cus their isn't any 'long term' objectives added into our priorities to ensure next generation can inherit something of progress not just 'existence'

 

[GemState]

@GemState Is it by any chance those 4 SSA nations were chosen for mechanical investment to create 'future' capabilities for them to play sheriff in their region when the big powers decide to expand their capability.

It's possible. The US has tasked Ethiopia with taking care of its interests in the HoA, Nigeria in the Sahel, The GCC with Sudan, etc.

Honestly sounds more economical to deal with

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GemState we did a big mistake but it was due to our time period and ignorance of imperial powers, especially the british who as a colonial power has left a tremendous legacy for it's dominion when compared to france and italy. Yes their was missionizing which would send us into a wild frenzy like happened in sudan and the mahdi vs churchill.

They were very protective of their culture, language and religion and to some extent those fears haven't gone away socially maybe it has at political level. Their needs to be some social preaching done in our country about the mistakes or misunderstanding or who knows maybe imperialists were highly fascist at the time or it was all just shitfest of misunderstandings.

But we must preached the world is a different world now and time doesn't just stop and remain how it was and therefore their minds needs not stop and live in the past. This different world we are in we must keep up with it or go extinct is our only other option or be swallowed up or suffer indirect rule till the extinction is complete.

Today all the world knowledge is in english, we need to tap into it by setting english as the instructions at school while also teaching Somali kinda like the non english europeans do. So we preserve our identity and keep up with the world and have access to knowledge and not be disadvantaged due to language barrier.

Ideally we want to convert 'identified' fields we want to pursue into somali to ensure good 'grasp' by setting up translator n professor(highest quality) to break down concepts easy to learn while translator converts. We don't need to do this with every book but 'stems, medicine, economics, politics' and 'we must be careful to select' fields that have a national priority and begin road map to pursue students we know that are quality and advise them what their mission is and how it will contribute to their country and make them hero.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GemState if we threw out lot with britain when they defeated italy as they was controlling nfd-ogaden-somalia as a whole, history could've of been different. But their are reports of missionizing where traditional religions existed in SSA, plus the mahdi in sudan was fighting, mad mullah apparently started his struggle cause he went to berbera as 26 year old and was told to pay 'custom' by white man and he said u a foreigner is not taxing me on my own land to a translator. Turned heated apparently and physical.

Then he saw SL ppl being converted to christians in orphanages to become like the africans with 'james n john' and african last names later apparently that broke the camel back for him and he was determined to stop and fight for cultural/religious preservation.

The clans who got in his way he would abuse but his end goal was the experience n memory he saw in berbera and the dangers he cud foresee of cultural/religious conversions. Once u lose ur identity, the colonialists can treat u like african american and say u have no history before we made u, that was the intention behind it and their well justified fears.

 

[anon2]

Kenya is an artificial country. The definition of "fake it until you make it". Countries like this never really exist for long if we look at history. Even first world counties like Belgium which was created artificially has a problems in which the French Walloons in the South want to join France, the Flemings in the North want to join the Netherlands and Germans in the East want to join Germany.

As for Kenya, aside from the NFD it would mostly like be divided in 4 countries with most of the coast being part of the an Omani emirate controlled state. I am sure the Somali population will keep rising and lead to the break up of Kenya in the future as they would rather be balkanized than to be ruled by a Somali. The EAC project may even driven by the demographic shift and fear of Somalis.