If majority of HJ voted Wadani for presidency and Kaah for political party Biixi will struggle to come back because he will be facing a combined HJ + GX voting block.
Kaah-Wadani alliance officially announced
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HJ, GX and HA are equal when it comes to the issue of recognition, some of the minority clans like Dhulbahante are against independence for clan reasons, there are also some diaspora Gadabursi who make noises every now and then but Isaaq and Dir inside the country are serious about the recognition quest.
Hj and ha alliance run deep though from the habar habar wars so I don't know if their gonna desert biixi for gx. But shit changes.
New alliances form all the time, there was a time when HA Ciise Muuse were deep in alliance with Gadabursi and GX and voted against HJ candidate Silanyo, so this should not come as a major shock. A HJ GX alliance would make sense given that Somaliland is facing major threats from Somalia in the the east.
Minority? Ssc annihilate the entire isaaq army.
Dhulbahante is a small minority in Somaliland population wise. According to the 2014 UNFPA estimate, all of Sool including the Isaaq inhabited Caynaba district which is the second largest in Sool come to 9% of Somaliland's population which is tiny.
Most people dont understand just how large Isaaq is.
Still you got your ass kicked
plus Dhulbahante have huge population in togdheer.Still you got your ass kicked
You can substitute the buuhoodle population with Caynaba, so their population inside Somaliland is still around 8-9% which is a small to medium sized clan equivalent to Arab.
If you look at the Arab neighbourhood of Hargeisa (stadium area) you will see it has a larger population than all Dhulbahante in Sool.
In terms of population Somaliland has a tiered system:
Large clans: Habar Jeclo, Garxajis, Habar Awal
Medium to large clans: Gadabursi, Arab
Medium to small clans: Dhulbahante
Small clans: Toljecle, Ayoub, Ciise, Warsangeli
Tiny clans: Madhibaan, Gahayle, Ugaaslabe, Magaadle, Akisho
Pls go and check this thread all way up to August 25.
War in Sool
SL troops tried to enter the city but were confronted, today is the final day of the elders summit and they're trying to establish themselves in the city before it concludes.
www.somalispot.com
We are talking about population figures, and Dhulbahante is a small clan inside Somaliland. I have added the UNFPA source up so you can check that yourself
The Isaaq are estimated to number 3-4 million according to a 2015 estimate.[18].
That was 9 years. Isaaq are laandheere. We probably hit 5 mill by now
attash
Amaan Duule
What is this cap
The British already did a clan census in their colony and these are the results:
The British rarely went into the interior, and the majority of the clans were hostile to them.What is this cap
The British already did a clan census in their colony and these are the results:
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You are bringing up 1951 estimates because the 2014 numbers are so shocking to you.What is this cap
The British already did a clan census in their colony and these are the results:
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If you want to talk about an actual census the one from 1975 is even worse for Dhulbahante. The Nugaal region which combined the Sool districts of Dhulbahante and Nugaal region of modern day Puntland had 2% of the population of the Somali Republic:
By comparison, Togdheer had 8% of the population. Dhulbahante in terms of population are a very small clan
Isaaq were 22% of the Somali Republic, larger than Hawiye, Darod and Raxanweyn:
the chart above includes many non Hawiye clans to the Hawiye total, its like adding Gadabursi as a subclan of Isaaq. If you remove non Hawiye clans like Ajuraan, Degodia and Xawaadle, Hawiye probably falls much lower than 25%.
On the other hand if you add Gadabursi and Ciise to Isaaq you get 29% of the total population.
attash
Amaan Duule
I brought up 1951 because it is the only explicitly clan focused census we have. Provincial population censuses are not reliable because provinces are mixed, so you never know the exact proportion that each clan has. Another issue is that these censuses focus on urban populations and neglect rural ones. Most of Sool's population is rural. Additionally, reer miyi move around alot, so you would have a lot of them moving south to Ethiopia during some seasons and returning back through the border on other seasons.
What event occurred between 1951 and 2024 that could made Dhulbahante significantly smaller than it used to be?
The British would obtain figures from clan elders who told them the number of men in their clan paying diyya, then make estimates from these figures. It's not very reliable, but it is the only thing we got.
Garaad Awal
Former African
Absolutely delusional. HJ isn’t even larger than Hussein Abokor. Next you will tell me Caynabo is a booming metropolis
Garaad Awal
Former African
HY hate SL because Ina Cigaal (aka HA) forced it upon them. At one point they called the SL shilling the HA currency.
CG are far more patriotic to the idea of SL as a whole although Wadani/HY are using Garxajisnimo & anti-Zubeyri propaganda to create a toxic tribal climate. This toxic tribal climate will not be in their favour if the weak Buddha’s win as HA who are the majority of the economic heartland of SL will refuse to cooperate, the army is also majority HA-led.
Would that mean another habar war?
