June 26, Somali independence day. Not July 1

[Gadhwayne]

June 27, Djibouti Independence day

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Midnimo, Sinnaan, Nabad
QafarAf: Inkittiino, Qeedala, Wagari (CafarAf: inkittiino, ceedala, wagari)
اللغة العربية: اتحاد، مساواة، سلام (ittixaad, musaawaat, salaam)
Unity, Equality, Peace

 

[Habbad]

In the mid 60s and after the coup the nation is referred to as Somalia up to now with the xamar govt claiming the north in the name of "Somalia"

after the afweyn coup the name was changed to "somali democratic republic" sxb, he just followed the usual east bloc habit of being a dictatorship while having democratic in the country name lol

 

[Wir]

What are somalians celebrating on June 26th? These folks are like an obsessive girl who won't leave you alone

 

[angelplan]

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

I was there as a little youth in 1994, visiting family in Hargeisa. Years later as a teenager, I remember asking my mum what that big parade was that went behind my uncles house, and she told me it was a 26th June celebration. I never knew there was video of it.

Thanks for finding and sharing !!

 

[Wir]

I was there as a little youth in 1994, visiting family in Hargeisa. Years later as a teenager, I remember asking my mum what that big parade was that went behind my uncles house, and she told me it was a 26th June celebration. I never knew there was video of it.

Thanks for finding and sharing !!

You were there? I wasn't even born then

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

You were there? I wasn't even born then

Yeah I was about 6. We left Somaliland later that summer for the UK. Even though I was very young, I still remember quite a lot of that early 90's period. Like seeing Cigaal in Berbera in 1993 just after he became President. At the time I had no idea what the fuss was all about. Only years later, when reminiscing about it with my parents and siblings did those events make sense.

Funniest memories was always seeing Ina Bisad in Berbera. He used to work at the dekada at that time, helping unload the ships. He was like a fairground attraction for us kids, but he was very nice to us, always giving us sweets. He would often be telling us to stay away from the dekada as it was dangerous around there back then.
Although they were tough times I remember my time in our homeland very fondly.

 

[Periplus]

Okay, let us settle some revisionist history. As someone that has studied pre and post-independence Somali history, I am smelling a lot of cap.

I am not intending to get into a qabiilist FKD but I will call out BS.


1. Somalia was called the Somali Republic until 1969 from then it was called the Somali Democratic Republic until 1991. The reason why it was commonly called Somalia was due to the prevalence of Italian and Arabic in the SYL administration. In Arabic, Somali Republic is Jumhuriyyat as Somaliyyah. In Italian, it is Republicca Somala.


2. Southern Somalia was considered one of the more developed colonial outposts in the wider region. There was an established economy, educated population, transport links and democratic institutions upon independence. British Somaliland by comparison were utilised as a butcher for the Aden colony (not my words).

3. The SYL as the oldest political party is renowned for promoting Somali unity. During SYL's founding, Greater Somalia was under British military occupation and the British and SYL found themselves as useful allies. Even though Britain was forced to give up Ogaden, the dream of a united Somalia intrigued both the UK and the SYL.

4. In 1959, approximately 2% of British Somalilanders attended school. In 1956, it was just over 1 percent. It is well known that the British only pushed for education post-WWII.

5. British Somaliland had barely any roads, schools, factories, farms and no universities. Hargeisa airport was built just before independence and modern Berbera port was built by the SYL.

6. Winston Churchill himself called British Somaliland "unproductive and inhospitable"


Those that say Somaliland was wrong not to join Italian Somaliland in union simply have no idea the opportunity given to Egal and co. There was no real other choice. Somaliland's leaders did not have the 10+ year political experience nor had the amount of development and institutions Italian Somaliland did.

To put it in a sentence, British Somaliland did not even have enough qualified people for a civil service let alone a judiciary, legal network or education system.

 

[Periplus]

A message to my SL brothers:

You guys regularly boast of being a protectorate rather than a colony, in that the UK took a hands-off approach to Somaliland.

If that is the case, wouldn't Somaliland be marginally more developed in 1960 than it was pre-colonisation?

And if that is the case, how could it have ever been a viable nation long-term.

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[BigBreak]

@Periplus look the past is the past but it's a fact that SL was never a part of Somalia and was only part of a union alongside Somalia for just 31 years. There's no doubt that SL being independent now is morally right, legally legitimate and just logical common sense. The failed 31 year union was disastrous for both our countries and post 1991 is like heaven compared to the hell before 1991

 

[Periplus]

@Periplus look the past is the past but it's a fact that SL was never a part of Somalia and was only part of a union alongside Somalia for just 31 years.

The SYL were planning SL joining Somalia since 1943, having submitted their union proposal to major European powers by 1946.

Somaliland was always going to join Somalia, not unite. The meaning of union implies two equal entities joining and I have proven it was not the case.

The Law of Union 1960 became null and void after the 1961 referendum. Both colonies had laws of union which were ditched in favour of the joint constitution. Therefore, bringing the SL 1960 Law of Union to a debate is like bringing the Magna Carta, both were equally relevant documents post 1960.

There's no doubt that SL being independent now is morally right, legally legitimate and just logical common sense. The failed 31 year union was disastrous for both our countries and post 1991 is like heaven compared to the hell before 1991.

Regardless of your feelings, Somaliland being independent is a disastrous decision. It divides a poor economy into two, splits an ethnic group further on colonial lines and to be perfectly candid, is against the vision of Somaliland's forefathers.

Tuur and Egal would turn in their grave knowing that Somaliland is still pursuing independence while Somalia is improving. Both leaders publicly stated their claims on secession was conditional on Somalia remaining in anarchy. Tuur went further and wanted a federal system in a peaceful Somalia.

The pre-war Somalia saw the northern region have increased education rates, infrastructure projects and a stronger economy. Without the union, Somaliland would not have had many of their highways, schools and most importantly, Berbera port.

Siyaad Barre was a horrible dictator to Somaliland, no debate. However, Somaliland got more out of the union than Somalia, in that Somalia lost more by uniting compared to Somaliland.

 

[BigBreak]

Look you can have your opinions and interpretations but after 30 years it's high time our neighbour Somalia accepts the reality that reunion will never happen again. I cannot ever see a majority of folks from SL wanting to reunite

 

[reer]

Look you can have your opinions and interpretations but after 30 years it's high time our neighbour Somalia accepts the reality that reunion will never happen again. I cannot ever see a majority of folks from SL wanting to reunite

i feel sorry for the 2million+ populace who were had "ictiraaf is coming" drilled into them when they realize its not coming. the 90s have passed no one wants another african shithole. i hope sl opens mental health clinics for them.

 

[Gantaal97]

The SYL were planning SL joining Somalia since 1943, having submitted their union proposal to major European powers by 1946.

Somaliland was always going to join Somalia, not unite. The meaning of union implies two equal entities joining and I have proven it was not the case.

The Law of Union 1960 became null and void after the 1961 referendum. Both colonies had laws of union which were ditched in favour of the joint constitution. Therefore, bringing the SL 1960 Law of Union to a debate is like bringing the Magna Carta, both were equally relevant documents post 1960.




Regardless of your feelings, Somaliland being independent is a disastrous decision. It divides a poor economy into two, splits an ethnic group further on colonial lines and to be perfectly candid, is against the vision of Somaliland's forefathers.

Tuur and Egal would turn in their grave knowing that Somaliland is still pursuing independence while Somalia is improving. Both leaders publicly stated their claims on secession was conditional on Somalia remaining in anarchy. Tuur went further and wanted a federal system in a peaceful Somalia.

The pre-war Somalia saw the northern region have increased education rates, infrastructure projects and a stronger economy. Without the union, Somaliland would not have had many of their highways, schools and most importantly, Berbera port.

Siyaad Barre was a horrible dictator to Somaliland, no debate. However, Somaliland got more out of the union than Somalia, in that Somalia lost more by uniting compared to Somaliland.

Greater Somali nation was actually british idea in the 40s where they invited a group of somalis to form SYC before being named SYL to bring their propsals and ideas to the british and international community but there wasa lot of somalis in mogadishu who wanted to be mannged by the italians and the pro italian riots in mogadishu in 1948 made britain to leave and transfer the territory under Italian UN trustee for 10 years.

Haji Cigaal AUN the father of Somaliland came out against the union after he was released from prison after the fall of the regime and called for the end of the union between the two territories and he was the one who designed our current system and the constitution that put an end to the question of reunification.

 

[BigBreak]

@reer you do know recognition and independence are two different things right?

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

@reer you do know recognition and independence are two different things right?

Very few of the Wanlaweyn crowd understand the difference.

 

[Ozark]

Reading this thread, when will Isaaq delusion about recognition stop I wonder.

It ain’t ever happening.

 

[BigBreak]

@Ozark you can say that but surely you know deep down that SL will remain fully independent de facto from Somalia just like how the last 3 decades we've been independent. Logically speaking can the world forever refuse to recognise SL if we forever remain de facto independent on the ground? I don't think so

 

[reer]

i feel sorry for the 2million+ populace who were had "ictiraaf is coming" drilled into them when they realize its not coming. the 90s have passed no one wants another african shithole. i hope sl opens mental health clinics for them.

@reer you do know recognition and independence are two different things right?

Very few of the Wanlaweyn crowd understand the difference.

jeegaanstani users are like robots fahankaa ku yar.

 

[Gantaal97]

jeegaanstani users are like robots fahankaa ku yar.

Focus on your Gedo shithole