Jeegaan sent threats to reer Awdal " fight us or STFU and sit down! "

[Rabiic]

Shaqo aan shaqadaadi hayn baad haysa. Voting block? Irrelevant. Vast majority of eligible voters in the region don't even vote (60%). Dhulkay ku fadhiyaan HC waa deegan badan oo Cagaaran ilaa Ethiopia.

Bit random. I don't know why you have an axe to grind with HC all of a sudden unless you think I'm HC...

You are lying sxb, vast majority of Gadabursi vote, probably even more so than Isaaq, even Ethiopian Gadabursi cross the border to vote.

About Habar Cafan, I have no axe to grind, you tried to make it seem like a big clan making a move against Somaliland and I had to correct you, this clan is a small voting block within the Gadabursi, they dont have any districts to their name, you can even check the votes received by their MPs, I bet you've never even been to Ruqi.

 

[Rabiic]

Everything was already answered but you decided to take it for another spin with the same talking points. Get a grip.

Why would I be ashamed my adeer Cali Xamuud is talking shit in Hargeisa. Maxaad ka badali karta. And tomorrow he will leave like Ina Khalif if he wants to.

You dont want to talk about what your clan did during the civil war and how they allied with Barre, thats ok its within your rights, but dont try to make up false history because you will be exposed real quick.

Your adeer is not leaving, its just you gadabursi diaspora who want to add some drama but the good news is the people in Awdal are completely different and dont have your cuqdad. Abiib even said it, he will never leave SL no matter what, I wonder why you didnt share that clip

 

[NidarNidar]

No point arguing with desperate laangaabs, who prostitute themselves to Ethiopia, his lack of info about us is laughable at best.

SL project is dead, it passed away when SSC left.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

You still cant explain what you can get from Somalia that you are not already getting in Somaliland. You dont like Somaliland yet you follow its news with such care that you know some of the news even before Somalilanders like what just happened. This tells me that you're already part of the system, not an outsider as you claim. You basically want to bargain with Isaaq to get more out of it. But you are wrong to get to this conclusion because you have as much stake as Isaaq, you can demand what you think is fair but dont need to use faqash slogans. Your uncles followed faqash and when we defeated them you had no choice but to sit down with us, dont make the same mistake again.

What Gadabursi can get from Xamar is self-government. They can become like Puntland.
What they can get is basically full autonomy to do whatever they want, while cooperating with other Somalis at the national level.

Gadabursi want what Harti, Isaaq, Habar Gidir, Ogaden, Marehan, Xawaadle, Abgaal & D&M have. They want to rule their region as they see fit. There is no need to bring up "cuqdad" against Isaaq as an explanation. They want to be king in their castle, their state.

 

[Rabiic]

What Gadabursi can get from Xamar is self-government. They can become like Puntland.
What they can get is basically full autonomy to do whatever they want, while cooperating with other Somalis at the national level.

Gadabursi want what Harti, Isaaq, Habar Gidir, Ogaden, Marehan, Xawaadle, Abgaal & D&M have. They want to rule their region as they see fit. There is no need to bring up "cuqdad" against Isaaq as an explanation. They want to be king in their castle, their state.

This is the kind of childish rhetoric darods have always resorted to when attempting to manipulate other clans.

Puntland is actually a good case study of why clan based regional administrations dont work. Puntland escaped the civil war virtually intact, without much of any damage to infrastructure or major disruptions to life, if clan based regional administrations work puntland should be thriving, instead the revenue generated by this so called state is pitiful, and they are voiceless in matters related to their finances having to beg foreign countries to compel Mogadishu to release some funds for them (dated June 9, 2024):

Instead of egging other clans on, you need to show by example why clan fiefdoms work, you need to show a massive gap between you and other Somalis since civil war did not touch your land. In reality your capital looks like a barren slum, Hargeisa and Mogadishu are 100x bigger with Hargeisa being rebuilt from scratch. Both Burco and Borama beat anything you have to offer as a city, you generate no revenue and have hardly any large businesses to your name.

Dont kid yourself, no body wants to be like puntland

 

[FBIsomalia]

https://x.com/AliSamattar/status/1813583339347202420?t=RSVOAeteiPPlBnXoC0jHXw&s=19

 

[FBIsomalia]

https://x.com/shiinetown/status/1814230671914676439?t=HlmsEfSbijAVyJ6CY2TvqA&s=19

Abib said truth, now only two gobols, they should share everything with jeegaan.

 

[FBIsomalia]

https://x.com/OgadenSoldier/status/1814016896968122874?t=xVpnT8FP6_CWV9O72CVKqA&s=19

 

[Pocket Rockets]

This is the kind of childish rhetoric darods have always resorted to when attempting to manipulate other clans.

Puntland is actually a good case study of why clan based regional administrations dont work. Puntland escaped the civil war virtually intact, without much of any damage to infrastructure or major disruptions to life, if clan based regional administrations work puntland should be thriving, instead the revenue generated by this so called state is pitiful, and they are voiceless in matters related to their finances having to beg foreign countries to compel Mogadishu to release some funds for them (dated June 9, 2024):

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Instead of egging other clans on, you need to show by example why clan fiefdoms work, you need to show a massive gap between you and other Somalis since civil war did not touch your land. In reality your capital looks like a barren slum, Hargeisa and Mogadishu are 100x bigger with Hargeisa being rebuilt from scratch. Both Burco and Borama beat anything you have to offer as a city, you generate no revenue and have hardly any large businesses to your name.

Dont kid yourself, no body wants to be like puntland

True puntland almost totally escaped the war. Do u know how much infrastructure puntland had before the civil war? Not a whole lot, plus had to deal with a bunch of people running away from the south. Puntland infrastructure wasn’t enough to take care of the few people that lived there let alone the whole lot of people that ran there.
I’d rather have destroyed infrastructure that still has its foundations than very little infrastructure. Which is what puntland, the most neglected region by Siad barre, was basically dealing with.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

This is the kind of childish rhetoric darods have always resorted to when attempting to manipulate other clans.

Puntland is actually a good case study of why clan based regional administrations dont work. Puntland escaped the civil war virtually intact, without much of any damage to infrastructure or major disruptions to life, if clan based regional administrations work puntland should be thriving, instead the revenue generated by this so called state is pitiful, and they are voiceless in matters related to their finances having to beg foreign countries to compel Mogadishu to release some funds for them (dated June 9, 2024):

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Instead of egging other clans on, you need to show by example why clan fiefdoms work, you need to show a massive gap between you and other Somalis since civil war did not touch your land. In reality your capital looks like a barren slum, Hargeisa and Mogadishu are 100x bigger with Hargeisa being rebuilt from scratch. Both Burco and Borama beat anything you have to offer as a city, you generate no revenue and have hardly any large businesses to your name.

Dont kid yourself, no body wants to be like puntland

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[Rabiic]

True puntland almost totally escaped the war. Do u know how much infrastructure puntland had before the civil war? Not a whole lot, plus had to deal with a bunch of people running away from the south. Puntland infrastructure wasn’t enough to take care of the few people that lived there let alone the whole lot of people that ran there.
I’d rather have destroyed infrastructure that still has its foundations than very little infrastructure. Which is what puntland, the most neglected region by Siad barre, was basically dealing with.

You got it completely wrong. Many majeerteens claim this to explain their lack of development despite not being affected by the scale of destruction other clans experienced during the civil war.

Puntland did have infrastructure in place prior to the civil war. You can even say Puntland received the majority of investments in the regime's dying years. In 1988, as one of the last actions of dictator Barre, an extension was added to the national highway to include Bosaso, connecting the port all the way down to Kismayo. This is what the transport system looked like prior to 1988:

And this is what it looked like after, notice new highway extension connecting Bosaso to the south:

Not only that but at Bosaso, the terminal of the new highway Barre lobbied Italy to construct a new port. This was one of the luckiest investments to be received by any Somali clans because just a couple of years after the port and highway were completed, the civil war broke out and Puntland was the only region to escape the civil war completely with brand new infrastructure. Not only that but Bosaso port had complete monopoly for so many years because Berbera was not usable and the entire breadth of Somaliland including the highway was mined extensively during the civil war so was not commercially viable for the most part.

Imagine having complete monopoly over imports and exports and a brand new highway to boot in 1991, when all other Somali clans were embroiled in bitter conflict. Under any sound leadership Puntland would be booming right now. But it lags way behind Somaliland even though Somaliland was completely destroyed by the genocide and had to be rebuilt from scratch with all material wealth of its citizens gone. To give you an idea of how small Puntland's economy is, Berbera alone generates more income than the entire state of puntland.

That was Puntland's golden opportunity and they just let it pass, really shocking once you think about it.

 

[Man with a garuun]

Awdal State of Somalia

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

You got it completely wrong. Many majeerteens claim this to explain their lack of development despite not being affected by the scale of destruction other clans experienced during the civil war.

Puntland did have infrastructure in place prior to the civil war. You can even say Puntland received the majority of investments in the regime's dying years. In 1988, as one of the last actions of dictator Barre, an extension was added to the national highway to include Bosaso, connecting the port all the way down to Kismayo. This is what the transport system looked like prior to 1988:

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And this is what it looked like after, notice new highway extension connecting Bosaso to the south:

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Not only that but at Bosaso, the terminal of the new highway Barre lobbied Italy to construct a new port. This was one of the luckiest investments to be received by any Somali clans because just a couple of years after the port and highway were completed, the civil war broke out and Puntland was the only region to escape the civil war completely with brand new infrastructure. Not only that but Bosaso port had complete monopoly for so many years because Berbera was not usable and the entire breadth of Somaliland including the highway was mined extensively during the civil war so was not commercially viable for the most part.

Imagine having complete monopoly over imports and exports and a brand new highway to boot in 1991, when all other Somali clans were embroiled in bitter conflict. Under any sound leadership Puntland would be booming right now. But it lags way behind Somaliland even though Somaliland was completely destroyed by the genocide and had to be rebuilt from scratch with all material wealth of its citizens gone. To give you an idea of how small Puntland's economy is, Berbera alone generates more income than the entire state of puntland.

That was Puntland's golden opportunity and they just let it pass, really shocking once you think about it.

Cope

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[Pocket Rockets]

You got it completely wrong. Many majeerteens claim this to explain their lack of development despite not being affected by the scale of destruction other clans experienced during the civil war.

Puntland did have infrastructure in place prior to the civil war. You can even say Puntland received the majority of investments in the regime's dying years. In 1988, as one of the last actions of dictator Barre, an extension was added to the national highway to include Bosaso, connecting the port all the way down to Kismayo. This is what the transport system looked like prior to 1988:

View attachment 335010


And this is what it looked like after, notice new highway extension connecting Bosaso to the south:

View attachment 335011

Not only that but at Bosaso, the terminal of the new highway Barre lobbied Italy to construct a new port. This was one of the luckiest investments to be received by any Somali clans because just a couple of years after the port and highway were completed, the civil war broke out and Puntland was the only region to escape the civil war completely with brand new infrastructure. Not only that but Bosaso port had complete monopoly for so many years because Berbera was not usable and the entire breadth of Somaliland including the highway was mined extensively during the civil war so was not commercially viable for the most part.

Imagine having complete monopoly over imports and exports and a brand new highway to boot in 1991, when all other Somali clans were embroiled in bitter conflict. Under any sound leadership Puntland would be booming right now. But it lags way behind Somaliland even though Somaliland was completely destroyed by the genocide and had to be rebuilt from scratch with all material wealth of its citizens gone. To give you an idea of how small Puntland's economy is, Berbera alone generates more income than the entire state of puntland.

That was Puntland's golden opportunity and they just let it pass, really shocking once you think about it.

The civil war broke out before the bosaso port was finished. Up until now bosaso port couldn’t even handle taking in big container ships. This project is now finally being completed with uae help.
Also, when the civil war started we had no airports with paved runways. Now we have multiple, and a new port in mudug that can handle big container ships. So we have multiples of that too. What have u guys improved on since 1990?

 

[Rabiic]

The civil war broke out before the bosaso port was finished. Up until now bosaso port couldn’t even handle taking in big container ships. This project is now finally being completed with uae help.
Also, when the civil war started we had no airports with paved runways. Now we have multiple, and a new port in mudug that can handle big container ships. So we have multiples of that too. What have u guys improved on since 1990?

Big difference between not being able to handle containers and the constructions of Bosaso port prior to the civil war. Both the port at Bosaso and the extension to the highway were completed prior to the civil war. Majeerteen had complete monopoly over all Somali trade due to better ports e.g. Berbera being out of commission. Majeerteen also had brand new transport links to connect their territory to markets in Somaliland and Somalia.

It really is diabolical for majeerteens to be lucky enough to have brand new infrastructure when all Isaaq infrastructure was bombed, and still not be able to manage to generate more revenue than a single Isaaq port.

It puts the popular "puntland copies everything Somaliland does" saying into perspective. Majeerteens who escaped the civil war unscathed waited for Isaaq to rebuild their cities to learn and copy administration modalities, governance structures, port operations.. and more recently democratic voting systems.

 

[ggoat]

Big difference between not being able to handle containers and the constructions of Bosaso port prior to the civil war. Both the port at Bosaso and the extension to the highway were completed prior to the civil war. Majeerteen had complete monopoly over all Somali trade due to better ports e.g. Berbera being out of commission. Majeerteen also had brand new transport links to connect their territory to markets in Somaliland and Somalia.

It really is diabolical for majeerteens to be lucky enough to have brand new infrastructure when all Isaaq infrastructure was bombed, and still not be able to manage to generate more revenue than a single Isaaq port.

It puts the popular "puntland copies everything Somaliland does" saying into perspective. Majeerteens who escaped the civil war unscathed waited for Isaaq to rebuild their cities to learn and copy administration modalities, governance structures, port operations.. and more recently democratic voting systems.

Stick to isaaq hotep history. Isaaq was the number 1 tribe that supported the rise of the kacaan

 

[FBIsomalia]

Big difference between not being able to handle containers and the constructions of Bosaso port prior to the civil war. Both the port at Bosaso and the extension to the highway were completed prior to the civil war. Majeerteen had complete monopoly over all Somali trade due to better ports e.g. Berbera being out of commission. Majeerteen also had brand new transport links to connect their territory to markets in Somaliland and Somalia.

It really is diabolical for majeerteens to be lucky enough to have brand new infrastructure when all Isaaq infrastructure was bombed, and still not be able to manage to generate more revenue than a single Isaaq port.

It puts the popular "puntland copies everything Somaliland does" saying into perspective. Majeerteens who escaped the civil war unscathed waited for Isaaq to rebuild their cities to learn and copy administration modalities, governance structures, port operations.. and more recently democratic voting systems.

Puntland before Somalia were kingdom not clan like isaaq!, kulaha we learn how to govern from them .

Puntland or MJ since 1991 we worked to rebuild Somalia, even MJ announce of Bossaso shir in 1993,doesnt mean we late till 1998 waiting for isaaq kid, we didnt ran away from Somalia like you!!.

 

[Rabiic]

Puntland before Somalia were kingdom not clan like isaaq!, kulaha we learn how to govern from them .

Puntland or MJ since 1991 we worked to rebuild Somalia, even MJ announce of Bossaso shir in 1993,doesnt mean we late till 1998 waiting for isaaq kid, we didnt ran away from Somalia like you!!.

Puntland was largely not affected by the Somali civil war, you experienced virtually zero destruction or the intense level of combat that Isaaq experienced.

How do you then explain majeerteen waiting until 1998 and wholesale copying every step Isaaq made, including the governing model, including the name of the state, even including a clause for secession because you had no balls nor requisite historical and legal precedent to declare independence. You were just copying every step Isaaq took, and you are still copying Isaaq today.

You could not even come up with an original name, in 1991, Puntland was one of the names Isaaq voted on and was eventually rejected, you took that name and ran with.

 

[FBIsomalia]

Puntland was largely not affected by the Somali civil war, you experienced virtually zero destruction or the intense level of combat that Isaaq experienced.

How do you then explain majeerteen waiting until 1998 and wholesale copying every step Isaaq made, including the governing model, including the name of the state, even including a clause for secession because you had no balls nor requisite historical and legal precedent to declare independence. You were just copying every step Isaaq took, and you are still copying Isaaq today.

You could not even come up with an original name, in 1991, Puntland was one of the names Isaaq voted on and was eventually rejected, you took that name and ran with.

It seems you didnt read my command, you just reply back the same words!!.

MJ were kingdom almost 200 years!, isaaq not, so you shouldnt tell us about how to governor

Plus yes MJ wanted to bring Somalis to Bossaso shir in 90s and didnt work, not to mention too many outside shirs till 1998.

Again Puntland doesnt compare with state been build in 1991 .

 

[AP123]

Mohamed abiib in borama..jsl haanoolaato ayay leeyihiin. Gadabursi are landers

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