It is not right that a husband shows any feelings to his wife in public

Shimbiris

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I’m not talking about love here. You can’t control that and it’s part of being human. But I’m talking about affectionate behavior which is common in some groups and aren’t in others and traditionally, I think although I could be wrong, Somalis are a group that weren’t strong in that department. Even if I was to ask my parent about their parents and grandparents, they’d tell you that hugging, or even sitting close was a common site. We can’t blame ‘Wahhabism’ for this as cultures such as the Khaleejis tend to be a lot more family oriented despite them being a lot more affected by those teachings.

Like I said, heard plenty of stories from my parents and frankly other relatives who are old of people hugging, holding hands, kissing and so forth in their youth. In fact, what my great grandmother said to those two cousins is pretty wild, not gonna lie.

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Let's not generalize and be ridiculous, walaashay. Somalis are human at the end of the day. And, frankly, it's a little ridiculous to compare us to Khaleejis in this respect when we were historically over and over noted by the same gaalo you're referencing to be much more freeing and chill toward our womenfolk. I've read text after text pertaining to how Somali men did not tend to police and control their women the way Arabs do and were generally chill about them exposing their shoulders and whatnot the way you see in those old engravings and photographs.


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If you've seen Khaleejis being openly affectionate that's definitely something recent. These people were more cold in public than us and far more controlling toward their womenfolk. In Burton's book, which you've read, there's a part where he notes a Somali guy who'd studied in Arabia and been influenced by the teachings there and that this guy seemed fixated with how covered the Somali girls of their travel party were and he admonished them for speaking to men who were not mahrem whereas Burton noticed the other Somali guys did not care and even made fun of him for how he was behaving.
 

Aurelian

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Like I said, heard plenty of stories from my parents and frankly other relatives who are old of people hugging, holding hands, kissing and so forth in their youth. In fact, what my great grandmother said to those two cousins is pretty wild, not gonna lie.

:pachah1:

Let's not generalize and be ridiculous, walaashay. Somalis are human at the end of the day. And, frankly, it's a little ridiculous to compare us to Khaleejis in this respect when we were historically over and over noted by the same gaalo you're referencing to be much more freeing and chill toward our womenfolk. I've read text after text pertaining to how Somali men did not tend to police and control their women the way Arabs do and were generally chill about them exposing their shoulders and whatnot the way you see in those old engravings and photographs.


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If you've seen Khaleejis being openly affectionate that's definitely something recent. These people were more cold in public than us and far more controlling toward their womenfolk. In Burton's book, which you've read, there's a part where he notes a Somali guy who'd studied in Arabia and been influenced by the teachings there and that this guy seemed fixated with how covered the Somali girls of their travel party were and he admonished them for speaking to men who were not mahrem whereas Burton noticed the other Somali guys did not care and even made fun of him for how he was behaving.
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Like I said, heard plenty of stories from my parents and frankly other relatives who are old of people hugging, holding hands, kissing and so forth in their youth. In fact, what my great grandmother said to those two cousins is pretty wild, not gonna lie.

:pachah1:

Let's not generalize and be ridiculous, walaashay. Somalis are human at the end of the day. And, frankly, it's a little ridiculous to compare us to Khaleejis in this respect when we were historically over and over noted by the same gaalo you're referencing to be much more freeing and chill toward our womenfolk. I've read text after text pertaining to how Somali men did not tend to police and control their women the way Arabs do and were generally chill about them exposing their shoulders and whatnot the way you see in those old engravings and photographs.


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If you've seen Khaleejis being openly affectionate that's definitely something recent. These people were more cold in public than us and far more controlling toward their womenfolk. In Burton's book, which you've read, there's a part where he notes a Somali guy who'd studied in Arabia and been influenced by the teachings there and that this guy seems fixated with how covered the Somali girls of their travel party are and he admonishes them for speaking to men who are not mahrem and whatnot whereas Burton noticed the other Somali guys did not care and even made fun of him for how he was behaving.
Lol, I know Somali men aren’t controlling and we’re no where near on the level of Arabs when it comes to the controlling of womenfolk. That’s not the point. I’m talking about simple affection in marriages, which is a completely different point. Two things can exist, Somalis not being naturally affectionate and Somali men giving their women freedoms and not controlling them and in which I wholly agree!

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I’ve read somewhere in a historical book I think that it wasn’t known to kiss on the mouth at all.

I don’t believe that, traditional nomadic culture was always harsh and anti-affectionate. Now, it simply has a religious twist.


Kissing in the mouth is disgusting.
 
I thought all our parents showing each other affection at home and that it was the norm just not out in public and by public I'm referring to things like kissing (none of that walking behind nonsense someone said on here) :mjlol:
until I got on the net and saw every somali crying about how traumatic it was not seeing there parents be affectionate with each other growing up craving love and attention because of a lack of it at home :dead:
 
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Shimbiris

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Lol, I know Somali men aren’t controlling and we’re no where near on the level of Arabs when it comes to the controlling of womenfolk. That’s not the point. I’m talking about simple affection in marriages, which is a completely different point. Two things can exist, Somalis not being naturally affectionate and Somali men giving their women freedoms and not controlling them and in which I wholly agree!

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You appeared to be using Khaleejis as some sort of counter-argument and pointing out that you see them being affectionate in public like holding hands which, like I pointed out, is recent and antithetical to their culture. In terms of PDA they were arguably historically more conservative than us.

Finally, I don't think kissing (on the mouth) is some grand mark of affection. It was historically seemingly unknown to many cultures and not just our own. In fact, some have made the argument that it was unknown to Europeans and East Meds until Alexander's conquests in the East. Keep in mind that this is kissing on the lips or french kissing. Somali clearly has native terms for kissing itself so a kiss on the cheek or anywhere else is not some foreign concept. But again, FGM or not, I've been told by many, many relatives and non-relatives, even people who were alive during the early 1900s and knew people who lived during the 1800s that love affairs, trysts and romance and the affections that obviously come with them like hugging and holding each other was hardly unknown to Somalis. The first book written in the Somali latin script, if I'm not mistaken, is literally a love story:


Walaashay, I think you're falling prey to a mentality I see a lot on here which is to assume the way things are in your family is the way it must've been for all Somalis. Let's not generalize about such subjective things as what people do behind closed doors.
 
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Shimbiris

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My reaction to my future wife, the second she tries to initiate any kind of contact in public.View attachment 272241

I'm just trying to picture the 0 to 100 turn of events.

*Wife tries to grab Yusuf's hand*
*Yusuf suddenly punches wife in the face*
*Troupe of niman attack Yusuf instantly*
*Wife is wailing but also asking men to get off him*
*Police officers show up with sirens and everything*


0 to 100 in seconds and all because this nigga scared of a hand half the size of his.
 
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