Islamic-socialism: Was Barre ignorant or a liar?

[Awbarkhadle]

This is also the reason why Barre was able to negotiate with Mengistu even though he used all his might to destroy him and failed. This put Barre in a position of vulnerability because he put his cards in the table and was trumped.

In the hind brain of mengistu he couldn’t rationalise the move of Abdullahi Yusuf. Mengistu had all the leverage over Yusuf he was able to make his worst nightmare and his biggest dreams come true. But Yusuf was more feared and respected barre more than him. Mengistu didn’t know why so hesitated in decapitating Barre. Between the attempted invasion and the IGAD creation mengistu was haunted over why Abdullahi Yusuf was so didn’t submit to him and submitted to barre. Barre knew he regained the leverage but knew he didn’t have cards on the table so made an offer that mengistu couldn’t refuse. Take Somali galbeed but give me caabudwaaq goldogob and balanbale. Mengistu probably kissed his ass. Mengistu knew he was not half the man barre was. Barre would have toppled him without the USSR and he was afraid while having better cards than barre to all out invade and occupy Somalia.

 

[Awbarkhadle]

That’s why even though mengistu hated meles he respected him because he had the balls to occupy Somalia as he stated in his book.

 

[Awbarkhadle]

Barre also respected Isaaq business class highly and knew if he befriended them he would have stayed in power. They were the only ones to ever get the better of him. When he attacked their wealth they went to the diaspora and sent back more money than the government budget. When he made the deal with mengistu he thought he had isaaqs by the balls. There is radio interview of ina lax waas talking about the meeting between isaaq and Barre after the mengistu deal and his arrogance. Then isaaqs invaded the north and caused a domino effect than lead to his toppling. The Americans knew Barre had Mengistus number that’s why they gave him small aid to keep him going. When Isaaqs invaded the north they cut that off so he could no longer bribe the abgaal and it was the first time he lost in chicken which lead other people to defeat him also after.

 

[Gadhwayne]

He had a concrete plan. He was going to eliminate Said Barre and his group and Omar Jess was now going to be the Duke of southern darood under him. SNM where supposed to defeat northern Darood and make a Duke for them which was supposed to be Cali Khalif and then make a deal with him. The Majeerteen didn’t like this and tapped the Abgaal on the Shoulder and said hey didn’t we used to run this shit. They then went to IOG legitimised them in return for influence.

Caydiid was a good guy who was let down. Said Barre was a leader of men, an Alpha. He could be born in the favelas and he would be the boss there. When Somalia gained independence his tribe had 3 seats. Today they have 16 that is because of him. Every marexaan should see him as a hero. Caydiid was so much of a good guy that people thought they could challenge him when he had the momentum to lead the country. That’s why Somaliland went independent. A man that can’t control his tribe should not be sitting at the table to make a deal with another tribe. If Caydiid was ruthless like Siad barre, Cali Mahdi would never have challenged him. When you juxtaposition him against Siad Barre in his tribe his challenger was Abdullahi Yusuf. Siad Barre could control his tribe. Abdullahi Yusuf challenged him he responded by letting all hell loose on his clan. Abdullahi returned the favour by going to Ethiopia to topple him but when he was at the gates of victory he shat himself. He lost the game of chicken. This is because through his oration he made Abdullahi Yusuf the villain for going to Ethiopia. Abdullahi wasn’t able to make Siad Barre the villain for molesting his clan. Abdullahi Yusuf knew this that’s why when he invaded Somalia with Ethiopia even though he militarily humiliated the 21st division and would have been able to take control of Somalia with Ethiopia help, he knew he wouldn’t be safe in Mogadishu and would be killed and would leave a horrible history behind Siad doubled down and said they’ve given goldogob to Ethiopia and rallied the country behind him. At this moment it was a game a chicken between Abdullahi Yusuf and Barre. Yusuf chose to sit in mengistus jail then challenge the dominance of Barre.

Siad Barre knew he had the edge on Abdullahi Yusuf when he was too afraid to attack the capital after the 78 coup attempt and left his soldiers for Kenya. He knew this even earlier because Yusuf was a hater to his 69 coup but didn’t have the balls to do anything about it. Anyways this is what allowed Siad Barre not to get killed after he was toppled. After all this Siad Barre was able to convince the majeerteen to hang up their hat and support him. He slayed their leader, hit the Shepard and the sheep will scatter. This is what made Hawiye fear and respect Siad Barre even in his flight as well as the passiveness of caydiid.

Nice analysis



SSDF was mainly supported by CumarMaxmuud. Other subclans of MJ were mostly neutral or even supporting Afweyne. SSDF was never a threat, especially once their coup failed. biidhi qaate warlord/general Morgan proved his loyalties during the coup



I would not characterize Caydiid as weak rather CaliMahdi and the docile wing of the USC were traitors. They were both helping trying to accomadate Afweyne and helping him play the disastarous Daaroodism card by making it appear that Caydiid was anti Jabarti when the USC/SPM alliance transcended clans

SNM realized USC/Caydiid were undermined SNM mistakenly forced the defeated northernJabartis to sign the 1991 surrender and Northern separation paper

 

[Gadhwayne]

I would like a 4th option all of the above Afweyne was an incompetent liar. He was exactly who he was when he started his career as uneducated dibjir turned colonial policeman trained by the fascist regime era of Soomalia Itaaliana. Periplus pointed out that Castro judged Afweyne was not a true socialist as Pwyneth Galtrow suggested, Afweyne did promise to join Xristians in prayer to Ciisa caley salaam. Afweyne was willing to say anything

Afweyne was devout believer in tribal nepotism, redistributing resources/land to his people, inviting harsh reactions from the targeted clans

Also Awbarkhadle nice analysis of post Afweyne

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@X29 oilmen prefer more easily accessible high quality oil from areas with a proven track record so it was felt it would be more profitable to do business with OPEC/USSR. 80s exploration was late and Afweyne was losing control by that time

 

[xLibaxsenderx]

@Awbarkhadle you know your Darod history really well

 

[Awbarkhadle]

@Awbarkhadle you know your Darod history really well

I know history in general well. Out of the three Caydiid, Abdullahi Yusuf and Barre, caydiid was the least dominant. Siad Barre and Abdullahi Yusuf both grew up without their fathers. This is why Barre took extra care of orphans and made ubixi kacaanka, I think he was brought up by his dads brother who married his mum and had further children with her. He never felt like he got the fatherly love like his siblings. That’s why he wanted people to call him abo. He wanted to be the father that he never had.

In an interview Abdullahi Yusuf said he knew Caydiid very well since childhood and that he knew his father very well aswell but that he didn’t grow up with father. When he said he knew caydiid very well he gave off the impression that he was dominant over caydiid. When he said he knew his father very well he gave off the impression that he was on par with Caydiids father basically trying to give off the impression that caydiid was a boy to him and not on his level in effect soning him.

 

[X29]

I know history in general well. Out of the three Caydiid, Abdullahi Yusuf and Barre, caydiid was the least dominant. Siad Barre and Abdullahi Yusuf both grew up without their fathers. This is why Barre took extra care of orphans and made ubixi kacaanka, I think he was brought up by his dads brother who married his mum and had further children with her. He never felt like he got the fatherly love like his siblings. That’s why he wanted people to call him abo. He wanted to be the father that he never had.

In an interview Abdullahi Yusuf said he knew Caydiid very well since childhood and that he knew his father very well aswell but that he didn’t grow up with father. When he said he knew caydiid very well he gave off the impression that he was dominant over caydiid. When he said he knew his father very well he gave off the impression that he was on par with Caydiids father basically trying to give off the impression that caydiid was a boy to him and not on his level in effect soning him.

What do you think aidid would have been like as leader of somalia

 

[Awbarkhadle]

What do you think aidid would have been like as leader of somalia

He would never have been. He didn’t have the haan for it. The only road for him would have been to make a Pres PM deal with Tuur however he was unable to control his tribe which foiled it all for him. Even if he was able to control his clan Tuur would have demanded to be president. That’s why when Cali Mahdi declared himself president Tuur proclaimed the independence of Somaliland because he knew he wouldn’t be able to be president without pacifying Cali Mahdi and Caydiid wasn’t up for the job.
Somaliland was a tool to gain more leverage during international peace conferences in Somalia. Cigaal outfoxed Tuur for his position and wanted to do the same thing. This is why Tuur declared war on Somaliland.
Cigaal wanted all the warlords in the south locked up by the US and to make a new gov but the US pulled out of Somalia and he died. Abdullahi Yusuf took Cigaals position after this.

 

[X29]

He would never have been. He didn’t have the haan for it. The only road for him would have been to make a Pres PM deal with Tuur however he was unable to control his tribe which foiled it all for him. Even if he was able to control his clan Tuur would have demanded to be president. That’s why when Cali Mahdi declared himself president Tuur proclaimed the independence of Somaliland because he knew he wouldn’t be able to be president without pacifying Cali Mahdi and Caydiid wasn’t up for the job.
Somaliland was a tool to gain more leverage during international peace conferences in Somalia. Cigaal outfoxed Tuur for his position and wanted to do the same thing. This is why Tuur declared war on Somaliland.
Cigaal wanted all the warlords in the south locked up by the US and to make a new gov but the US pulled out of Somalia and he died. Abdullahi Yusuf took Cigaals position after this.

Why where warlords so he'll bent on fighting each other and do you think icu could gave made peace in south

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

you made a false equivalence, MX seat went from 4 seats to 14 seats roughly 3x, but the parliament seats also increased roughly 3x, so we haven't exactly gained any leverage in the parliament due to Siad Barre aun, you know what we gained from Siad Barre aun, the unwanted attention of chavs in the north with shit stained teeth.

PLs continue your PTSD/Stockholm syndrome rant about MX, its part of the healing process.