Islamic Modernization Puntland

[DR OSMAN]

Anyone who dares to try to modernize or segregate Islam, the reality is this if not done slowly. This is one of the most important books in the world to people, this is a reality. But there is some 'political' issues I won't go into that makes it unreliable and risky to use as a government system, AND trust me it's for your well being. I don't care what system is used as long as science is applied, it can be democracy, islam, kingdom, the government style isn't the issue since government styles are not scientific and there has been so many around the world that were advanced and not democracy or not kingdoms or not caliphates. But the key pillar that united them was 'science' no matter what system they came under, if they didn't do things scientific way, they had no way of managing the natural world.

But any reform that brings about this result, must be halted immediately. We must convince them no-one is touching Islam, it just has no place in workplace, govt, and general world. We can't sit there praying outside and expect miracles since the world isn't supernatural as u guys assume, it's a natural world and it will never change from natural world. U need to be NATURAL also not SUPERNATURAL KKKKK.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The Saudis seem to be rushing it, it's good he is starting, Somalis will copy as usual. Smart move by American, just change Saudi and their 'clients' adapt also. 67 IQ reports to 80 IQ and Saudi IQ then reports to 100 IQ of europe, while 100 IQ of europe reports to the jews 120 IQ. It's factual and how th world is, just deal with it. Wa nidaam. U cant bring a 67 to talk to 100, or else somalis wud prosper in western world, they can't their semi retarded dee. But they do fine in arabia since the IQ range is closer range ma garatay and obviously isku luqad weeye 'force violence' baboon shit, not MIND POWER.

Somalis think they can work outside Nidaam it's impossible, no one can do it. U need to scale to Arabia, u shouldn' be in the west and giving us Somali born diaspora who have adapted to 100 IQ a bad name as they judge us on your ghetto baboon behaviors when u shud be in arabia not here waryaa, forget Israel lol.

 

[DR OSMAN]

It makes sense to do reform in 80 IQ nation and see how it goes before attempting in 67 IQ nation as u know the lower the iq the more violent it gets really. The world needs to be managed like this, it's because not all humans are developed the same mentally, some people can't understand complex maths and it's not a problem and this may mean he gets violent so he doesnt appear stupid in his peer

 

[Farjano-Walad]

your just an under cover atheist, admit it, place your balls on the table,

kulaha islam has no place in the work place, government etc

islam and islamic sharia is meant to affect very facet of life,

God sent islam to a backward unstable world and made them the greatest empire that stretched from french borders to china borders,

learning, maths, astronomy, medicine, economics, philosophy, they took Greek philosophy and corrected many mistakes made by the Greeks and Romans,

to this day many mathematicians, medicines discovered in islam old times are used to this day, algorithm, economics developed back then, gave the world the arabic numerical system, all thanks to islam waking up these geeljire Arab and made them civilised,

its the opposite, muslims need more islam, we no longer practice real islam, that is why we have lost our ways

how do yuo explain the early rise of islam and the spread of great learning and knowledge when Europeans were dying in the dark ages?

muslims have lost their way, dont blame islam but blame muslim and their rulers,

and admit it, you are easily impressed by the white men today hence why you want us to leave islam and adopt atheism so easily,

your a slave and conquered mentality, instead of coming with plans to create solutions you have became an adoon to the white men and wish to adopt his ways and methods, whilst running away the methods that made you a great civilisation for over 1000 years,


you accused 1door the other day of dying and fighting for the white men like a slave, but you also show your an adoon as you are a intellectual slave,

the man and other whites who opened Oxford university study under muslim teachers in Islamic Spain, he knew Arabic, quran, hadith though he was a gaal, they came to Baghdad and Islamic Spain and north africa and Istanbul to study under the best most learned men on earth at that time

nothing wrong with learning from a man more learned than you, but you wish to adopt their religious believes or lack of it, called atheism,

you have not mentioned what made them great, all you obsess with is deen this deen that, your an embarrassment when it comes to real evaluation, you cannot evaluate much except the white men is great because he dropped religion therefore Muslims must drop religion in order to succeed, that is basically your argument,

i appreciate you lack real knowledge, someone like you is dangerous to himself, you think you know cilmi, you have arrogance on top of it, your like a donkey with one book who thinks he knows it all,

the other day you spewed a lot of bad economics, i was gentle in correcting you,

people like you think they know it all, but are very harmful to themselves

your an IT guy yet every day you talk abut economics even though its wrongs, you never think twice, in your little realm you think you are so perfect and wright, you booty clap for your self, typical MJ faan,

you accuse somalis of jumping ship, being knw it all yet you are the perfect epitome of know it all, you speak of economic polices with out having a clue about economics, i felt embarrassed for you the other day when i read your economic policy thread and in fact i was ashamed for you, your are not an economics yet spew rubbish out of your backside like you know the filed, thats like me speaking about software, yet i know nothing about software, i will stick to my field, its called division of labour,


and today you wish to force feed us that atheism is a amazing thing that will all the sudden fix somali and the muslim world, end terrorism, bad leadership, resource mismanagement, corrupt on the state level blah blah, spare us the thought,

lol, your arrogance know it all attitude will lead you astray, come back brother before you fall in to kuffri,

i like you when you speak of these great higher end ideas and philosophies, but dont be a know it all, i did philosophy, i believe it was Socrates who saidl:

Socrates “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.”

i only know economics its my trade and training, i will not pretend i know how to fix the muslim world, but i am sure become atheists , dropping islam is the solution we need, its actually been tried already for decades in many Muslim nations, it did not work.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Waryaa the only two reasons why Somali aren't prospering are= we are darkskinned aka part of ssa and we are muslims. Primarily the latter.

In the old world we where prosperous, this world is kinda against us.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@PhySom to say I want Islam to reform does that mean I am kaffir? I didn't say end Islam, I said I want how Islam is practised to change as their is fundamental flaws in it. I am not saying Quran has the flaws, but the people who implement it. It's like saying democracy is failed system just because third world african countries don't do it properly. @Teeri-Alpha Forgets there is administration aspect of Islam and this can fail since human beings are there. For example, I know you can be terrorist and just say 'hala cafiyo' and due to tawba rule of Islam, they must. That's what they take advantage of politicians they do all sorts of evil and know they can say 'waan tawba keenay' kkkkk. It's loop hole and they use it always terrorists like robow, aways, after they completed their missions. Anyone can do it, it's human flaw not islam flaw. That's why it's not reliable in natural world or any world decision or else that is what u r facing. It doesnt matter if u call me an atheist, waan tawba keenay baan oran kara beri and then it's over. So it doesn't work that character assasination technique. Siyasada iyo Islamka waan labo meel la dhiga. Hal meel iskuma keeni kartid.

Final test I want u to do, if u love Islam so much, why don't u back it up and prove it to us rather then give us a thread? give your weapons to farmajo who will 'swear on quranka' he will take care of absame, u won't cause u know waa lagu tunta quranka. They're oaths are fake, they know they can just say waan tawba keenay after he annihilates absame and achieves their mission. This is real serious flaw, that's why I don't even care markay yirahdan ku dhaarta quranka in ministries, YAAB, Anigu waan ku dhaaran kara and do all sorts of evil and later say 'ii caafiya i repented back to islam' I achieved my goal politically and wealth wise and I AM MUSLIM STILL in the eyes of public. It doesnt work waryaa and that's why it's fundamental risk for any system in the world

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha we know how to test what humans believe in science. Just shoot a gun and see how they react, u know their values. Or read their history and find out what they died for. If I shoot a gun in absame town, u aint running to islam or mosque or imam, u going to beesha, your tribal man sxb. Ceeb ma aha admit what u r when scientific tests r done, it's impossible to deny it and achieve success. I already know I chose science over qabil, but qabil is second thing I run too. But science is no 1, I know it works that's why and I know nothing succeeds against it. It's what the natural world is made of. Somali iska cilow xabad haday dhacdo, I dont go to Somalis ama tuulo kale marka it's false narrative or made up value system and why it doesn't work. U create a government based on what ppl believe n die for waryaa, that's real.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@PhySom to say I want Islam to reform does that mean I am kaffir? I didn't say end Islam, I said I want how Islam is practised to change as their is fundamental flaws in it. I am not saying Quran has the flaws, but the people who implement it. It's like saying democracy is failed system just because third world african countries don't do it properly. @Teeri-Alpha Forgets there is administration aspect of Islam and this can fail since human beings are there. For example, I know you can be terrorist and just say 'hala cafiyo' and due to tawba rule of Islam, they must. That's what they take advantage of politicians they do all sorts of evil and know they can say 'waan tawba keenay' kkkkk. It's loop hole and they use it always terrorists like robow, aways, after they completed their missions. Anyone can do it, it's human flaw not islam flaw. That's why it's not reliable in natural world or any world decision or else that is what u r facing. It doesnt matter if u call me an atheist, waan tawba keenay baan oran kara beri and then it's over. So it doesn't work that character assasination technique. Siyasada iyo Islamka waan labo meel la dhiga. Hal meel iskuma keeni kartid.

Final test I want u to do, if u love Islam so much, why don't u back it up and prove it to us rather then give us a thread? give your weapons to farmajo who will 'swear on quranka' he will take care of absame, u won't cause u know waa lagu tunta quranka. They're oaths are fake, they know they can just say waan tawba keenay after he annihilates absame and achieves their mission. This is real serious flaw, that's why I don't even care markay yirahdan ku dhaarta quranka in ministries, YAAB, Anigu waan ku dhaaran kara and do all sorts of evil and later say 'ii caafiya i repented back to islam' I achieved my goal politically and wealth wise and I AM MUSLIM STILL in the eyes of public. It doesnt work waryaa and that's why it's fundamental risk for any system in the world

Your incoherent and contract yourself,

on one hand you say islam must reformed, then claim islam is perfect and people must be reformed, leaders must be reformed, blah blah

then you jump to farmajo and how he can attack Absame and then claim he can do this or that, what has a b00n in villa somalia screwing up got to do with a perfect system you claim is perfect and needs no reform, ?

debate with your self before you debate with others, you are confusing yourself,

why claim islam is perfect must be reformed?

one of the fathers of somali poetry Qamaan Bulxan used to say:

I debate with my self before i debate others and if i detect inconsistency and confusion in my own arguments i dare not go to the tree to debate others as i know i am not water tight"


do that saxiib, this is a major classic example of a human who thinks he knows it all, you need serious debate and logic deduction lessons, take some free lessons online, learn to debate and dont confuse your self or contradict your self,

this is why i am bored debating you, you are confused, incoherent and there are lots of holes in your axioms,

Your A Priori is all over the place, confused, contradictory, it doesn't do you a favour

yuo are used to somalis not very well educated reading your shit, but you cannot stand the test of logic and deductive skills with learned men like me, specially in our field, economics, political economy, philosophy, state institutions, i make my money looking at these matters,

i will put up with yuor BS till you attacked islam, attacking islam and saying it need to be reformed is kuffur, it break Tawxiid, it says Allah is imperfect, you do realise this is the axiomatic deductions of your arguments right?


do you realise the contractions in your own arguments warya?

This is why i say careful what you say or write, you are attacking Tawxiid, this is considered shirk warya, this is my advise to you seriously bro,


attack bad muslim, bad muslim leaders, their corruption, but do not attack Allah and his deen, fro when you attack the deen you attack him,

Allah tells us he has perfected Islam for us, i think it was the last verse in the Quran, islam is perfect, issue is we dont even come close to practising real islam, if we did we would be better,

Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah, and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha if America the great white hope can't defeat terrorism in his 'theater of war' the mid-east, what makes u think a 3rd world nation like Somalia can? unless you can show us your miracle that u did and the world can listen for the first time what u can actually contribute, or shut the f*ck up and sit down at your white boy university and be house negro ceeb ma aha, they use science, if the white man can't solve it, no negro is and u know it. That's why u treat eelay bad, no 'knowledge' contribution, that's why saudi treat u bad, no knowledge contribution, that's why americans treat arabs bad, no knowledge contribution. It's all linked to 'cilm', once u have it, you no 1 OR else discrimination, racism, rises and people start to take you to human zoo and say that's all your worth to us like ISAAQ, just entertainment and u like an animal weeye who doesn't contribute anything new.

That's why somalis get treated bad in Saudi 67 Knowledge. Eelay gets treated bad by you, so they must be lower, maybe 50 knowledge level. Arabs get treated bad in western world cause their 80 knowledge level. Western world looks down on them just like u look down on eelay as maid and saudi see u as maid. Their is IQ and Knowledge linkages and patterns that you are blind to deny. Obviously jews look down on all of us and western world 'prays' to them why? knowledge level is 120

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@Teeri-Alpha we know how to test what humans believe in science. Just shoot a gun and see how they react, u know their values. Or read their history and find out what they died for. If I shoot a gun in absame town, u aint running to islam or mosque or imam, u going to beesha, your tribal man sxb. Ceeb ma aha admit what u r when scientific tests r done, it's impossible to deny it and achieve success. I already know I chose science over qabil, but qabil is second thing I run too. But science is no 1, I know it works that's why and I know nothing succeeds against it. It's what the natural world is made of. Somali iska cilow xabad haday dhacdo, I dont go to Somalis ama tuulo kale marka it's false narrative or made up value system and why it doesn't work. U create a government based on what ppl believe n die for waryaa, that's real.

what the hell has the perfection of God's laws and sharia got to do with Absame being attacked?

this is what i mean, you mix rice with sugar, you are confused, stick to one,

islam doesn't stand in the way of defended your self or building institution

in fact the nabi SAW has said if there are 3 of you, pick a leader, an imam , Islam demands institutions,

in fact if you dont fight back when attacked you are described as a coward and the coward is punished, God tells us fight fro your honour if attacked, leaders are punished and soldiers if they ran from the battle field,

islam doesn't ban you from this, issue is or problem is your do not know islam, yet attack it, talk about it as an expert,

why not try learning the very thing you wish to criticise?

learn islam first, then debate about it, my advice,

 

[Ayubi]

Puntlanders and Somalis in general love Islam and they'll never reject it. Go to Qardho or Bosaso with that Murtad bs and they will beat you up.

If you are an apostate, you're no longer Somali but a traitor among Somalis.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Puntlanders and Somalis in general love Islam and they'll never reject it. Go to Qardho or Bosaso with that Murtad bs and they will beat you up.

If you are an apostate, you're no longer Somali but a traitor among Somalis.

War anigu nag ma ahiye sida ayan hersi oo iska dhul qadanayso, anigu kama tanasuli awooowahay dhulkisa ma garatay, rag baan ahay. Dagaal ba dhacayso. We fought for boqortoyo in bari and lost, I dont dont care if i lose at least jiilkayga can read as all do read history and see I was right and adopt it later and say I was a man outside of my time period like they did with greek democracy in america.

But I will fight as bah dubays waryaa for what I believe and is best for my ancestors, kama tanasulo. Will I win allahu alam, last time we tried we didn't. But for science I will ababuul bah dubays again for it wala galaya dagaalka.

Sade u don't know what u believe in sxb, adigu u just look at qabilada weliga, u dont sit with sade weliga and say raggow an tashano. Look at all sade on spot, u never sit down together and talk about whats best for u, your the sam in dalka iyo tarikhda. Sit there la hayste ba tahay waiting for other clans weliga inay wax ku keenan

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Ayubi U think I am stupid and don't know SADE do u? I tested u guys and saw in Somalispot, u show no inclination to sit down and better yourself, solve your problems, you are always in other clan threads, not one thread for sade. U don't care for yourselves, b22n ba tihin deep down, as your life is worthless and u know it and u wait for superior Majerten. Abgaal are useless also look at them on diaspora, looking around for leadership majerten, HG waa lamid. @Teeri-Alpha run ahanti is the closest to MJ about talking his clan issues and bringing solutions for his people, not running around like @Darwiish97 in other clan threads. That's how u can tell who leads in Somalia, just at our forum, it's always Majerten.

In Somalia your clans do the same, you go around waiting for other districts and towns, it's the same shit brain death, ma tihin saldanoyin soo jiren ah dee. Just wait for Somalia sxb like u do online forums and in gedo and abudwaq, same with habar gedir and abgaal, weligin wax ma noqon kartan, look at the forum, EBER WEEYE BRAIN POWERKOODA, somalia keliya bay sugayan weligood same as dadkooda dalka joggo, way dhinteen beelahani, anigu respect uma haayi illa aan cilm ka arko like white ppl do to arabs and arabs do to somalis and somalis do to eelay.

Not a single rahanwayn thread kkkk, dead in diaspora brain power, thats why their dead in somalia, it all flows well. The clans u don't hear on somalispots, u will see the same correlation inside the nation of their brain power. Ciddi uma jogga dibada dee, their waiting for Somalia dawladeeda meaning MAJERTEN

 

[DR OSMAN]

I am certain it is our generation who can lift up Somalia, I mean the ones born in the west as the world we live in is western dominated, so it's critical u know who they are culturally, values and wat they die for and yes they do die for freedom 60 million bodies in europe isn't a 'lie' waryaa as Somalis think. The older Somali generation, let them enjoy their power but they cannot 'adjust' and understand Western System waana sababta 'donations' weli lagu haaya, when the western world see me or my tpe of people in power, they know 'wa ragooda' ay is fahmi karan oo aan is waalin oo la kala og yahay awooda aduunka siiba dhinaca inventionka ah. We dont care military power like 3rd world cultures care, we know military is useless without inventions kkkkkk. We know knowledge economies and 3rd world nations are incompatible.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

War anigu nag ma ahiye sida ayan hersi oo iska dhul qadanayso, anigu kama tanasuli awooowahay dhulkisa ma garatay, rag baan ahay. Dagaal ba dhacayso. We fought for boqortoyo in bari and lost, I dont dont care if i lose at least jiilkayga can read as all do read history and see I was right and adopt it later and say I was a man outside of my time period like they did with greek democracy in america.

But I will fight as bah dubays waryaa for what I believe and is best for my ancestors, kama tanasulo. Will I win allahu alam, last time we tried we didn't. But for science I will ababuul bah dubays again for it wala galaya dagaalka.

Sade u don't know what u believe in sxb, adigu u just look at qabilada weliga, u dont sit with sade weliga and say raggow an tashano. Look at all sade on spot, u never sit down together and talk about whats best for u, your the sam in dalka iyo tarikhda. Sit there la hayste ba tahay waiting for other clans weliga inay wax ku keenan

its very well and good you start with your laf/ bah dubays, everyone on a small level needs to start fixing his tuulo/village/ juffo/jilib laff etc, once you can help bah dubays can you only help Osman muxamuud, Mj, harti, darood etc, if you wish

charity starts at home, focusing on fixing your own issue at he smallest level is a very good think,

the Nabi SAW family, -classed as his awow and below down were- banned from charity, in fact prophets were banned from asking for zaka, charity, banned by God, its a law to prevent begging, depending on others, a people are supposed to fend for themselves,

if God gave you health you are rich since the mind, body can work to attain goals, focus, learn etc,

islam doesn't stop you helping your own kind, learn science, when the church banned the earth goes around the sun, muslim scientist knew it 700 years before Copernicus confirmed in Rome,

islam doesn't ban you from bettering, advancing, in fact God implores you to use your mind, explore, learn,

in fact islam and the Nabi SAW tells us a learned man is 1000 times more valuable, we are told in islam by our deen the treasures of the nation are scholars,

also the nabi SAW did not have male heirs, so God made the scholars the inheritors of the nabi, SAW

satan fears one learned man more than 1000 uneducated man in deen and all other aspects we have been told,

but dont attack other tribes, give and show mercy, be a good example, do not attack eley, or marehan, for there are others more superior to you who were creating regimes, nationhood whilst you were sleeping, there is always someone better than You, people who expanded land when you were sleeping on the heel,

a humble man is liked by God, be grateful for what god has given you,

Raage Ugaas was writing gaby/poetry in the 1700s , you called him Somali Shakespeare,

King will waal was slaying habashi in the 1700s, when no one heard of Mj doing anything significant

all the 6 somali statues built din 1960 to celebrate the colonisers leaving were all Ogaden/Jidwaq/Absame, i could boast and say we gave the somali software to somalis, blah blah, and look down on you, you even created a thread about how you wished you were an Ogaden/Absame, even the one female statues hawo tako was us,,

be gentle and kind to those you look down on , for others can look down on you who are or were more advanced than you and were conquering, expanding across east Africa before you even woke up,

 

[DR OSMAN]

its very well and good you start with your laf/ bah dubays, everyone on a small level needs to start fixing his tuulo/village/ juffo/jilib laff etc, once you can help bah dubays can you only help Osman muxamuud, Mj, harti, darood etc, if you wish

charity starts at home, focusing on fixing your own issue at he smallest level is a very good think,

the Nabi SAW family, -classed as his awow and below down were- banned from charity, in fact prophets were banned from asking for zaka, charity, banned by God, its a law to prevent begging, depending on others, a people are supposed to fend for themselves,

if God gave you health you are rich since the mind, body can work to attain goals, focus, learn etc,

islam doesn't stop you helping your own kind, learn science, when the church banned the earth goes around the sun, muslim scientist knew it 700 years before Copernicus confirmed in Rome,

islam doesn't ban you from bettering, advancing, in fact God implores you to use your mind, explore, learn,

in fact islam and the Nabi SAW tells us a learned man is 1000 times more valuable, we are told in islam by our deen the treasures of the nation are scholars,

also the nabi SAW did not have male heirs, so God made the scholars the inheritors of the nabi, SAW

satan fears one learned man more than 1000 uneducated man in deen and all other aspects we have been told,

but dont attack other tribes, give and show mercy, be a good example, do not attack eley, or marehan, for there are others more superior to you who were creating regimes, nationhood whilst you were sleeping, there is always someone better than You, people who expanded land when you were sleeping on the heel,

a humble man is liked by God, be grateful for what god has given you,

Raage Ugaas was writing gaby/poetry in the 1700s , you called him Somali Shakespeare,

King will waal was slaying habashi in the 1700s, when no one heard of Mj doing anything significant

all the 6 somali statues built din 1960 to celebrate the colonisers leaving were all Ogaden/Jidwaq/Absame, i could boast and say we gave the somali software to somalis, blah blah, and look down on you, you even created a thread about how you wished you were an Ogaden/Absame, even the one female statues hawo tako was us,,

be gentle and kind to those you look down on , for others can look down on you who are or were more advanced than you and were conquering, expanding across east Africa before you even woke up,

That's the idea start small bah dubays then osman mahmoud then mj then harti then darod then hawiye and then isaaq. I ain't going to Isaaq anigo bah dubays ka dhadhicin karin waxayga. But also know to keep an eye on your 'age demographic'. I am 30 bracket, I can see what's coming in all our sectors be it religious, abwaan, business, civil society, etc. Forget heritage iyo waxasi it will close down in our time period, it's only around now for the older generation. That's why when I go to puntland I am scouting my demographic and what I am going to deal with when we are in 60s and the younger ones are looking for us to guidance and the oldies are gone and buried by then and not an obstacle.

So I am going to spend my time on ensuring that 30 year old in 30 years time is set up properly. We should focus on building them up now @Teeri-Alpha si aysan iska horimad iman when we are ruling somalia and they are our generation

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha we cant help u bro hadi jahli tahay. First brain then allah. First science anaga samaysan karno wax kasto hadi la yaabo ka bacdi allah loo jeesda. This is how the world operates, we apply science to everything in life in natural world and when we dont get an answer, we can pray. U want too pray first for everything supernatural soo ma aha, halkasi fariso adeer. Its not about democracy or human rights, u can have any government, just make sure you use science in this world, it allows us to solve problems. Its like me I aint gonna sit at home and wait for supernatural to feed me, ana baxayo, i am under natural law, markan yaabo, gacmaha baan taaga kadib TOO allah. I aint the kaffir sxb, its u who misunderstand islam cause u learn form 80 IQ saudi arabia who are geeljires like u, they treat u like geeljire and slap u when u come to saudi cause u aint bringing answers, he is at least reforming mohamed bin salman, adigu u have to wait soo ma aha for saudi iyo dubai mar walbo hence u never were civilization u just kept waiting for others to do something, waxaa laga fahmaya dhaqankina manta hormuud ma tihid.

Noone is taking away Islam, that's what your low IQ think, we just prioritizing science for natural world and everything like politics, economics, military, etc. We must use our brains, we must do something first, illahi waxba kama sugayno inta anaga wax samaysan ama wallahi weliga iska sugaysa and u will die starving.

U failed to adjust to west, u shud be sent to arabia man, it's better off, you perform better there as u upscale, i noticed somalis who are not born in the west dont get it sxb, When the oldies are gone and we are 60, then they will, we will be leading class ama waxgarad they rely on, the old generation time is up, ha iska ciyaareen for now, lakin jiil dambe ba imanayso

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha just organize Somalis to be ready for somali born diaspora in 30 years, when I am older and the others who were born here, we will clash on mind-sets hadaysan hada is upgrade ku samayn, we are all the same, just look at them all the kids born here, they want II TUSI HORTA culture MA RABAN FEKER AMA HADAL AMA FKD, they dismiss it as 'comedy'

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha Somalis are automatically tuned to 'fight' not 'listen' just watch them carefully. They think what I say is an opinion. No. I always give them the 'test' they can use to observe like. Take a gun shoot in the air, see where somalis run, it's not a mosque, not imam, not sheikh. He will fight you and say then 'I am muslim' first, but the 'test' result shows other wise. See this is a test of 'values' and observable results for the world that I can say, maybe 'clan elders' are more 'important' to these nation not 'religious scholars'. You will continue to argue and then end up being discriminated and u argue racism, it's not. Why eelay treated lowly in Somalia? it's not racism. It's they refuse to upgrade their knowledge from cleaning and learn 'knowledge' so people can negiotate and say hey 'thanks' for showing me that.

Not everyone knows everything sxb, it's a lie. But the scientific system is testable, provable, and workable. But forget 'democracy' that is not 'science' at all, it's what a nation decided is best for their people. U can use any system even 'shariah' law if you want, as long the natural world and all topics in schools, hospitals, government, business, is based on 'tests' and 'results' and 'people see' not quran iyo 'kalay ii dhaaro' then I will believe u. Nah bruv, u opened a loop hole then, he will 'swear on quran' and just do what he wants, u don't know his 'niyad' but thru a test and result observation of your arguments or points, it's observable for your own eyes. Dood ma jiro

Cant u align 12 million Somalis in all sectors of our community, ma jiro dood iyo opinion which is like millions websites online, just tell em, show me the model to get the result, i want to see what u saying is provable in my eyes, if we did that we will succeed forever, if we fail to get an answer, I will pray to god, u may not and may continue following model, but me I turn to god then. Scientific method existed in ancient egypt sxb, it was all passed down, why u refuse to adapt to it?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Anyone who dares to try to modernize or segregate Islam, the reality is this if not done slowly. This is one of the most important books in the world to people, this is a reality. But there is some 'political' issues I won't go into that makes it unreliable and risky to use as a government system, AND trust me it's for your well being. I don't care what system is used as long as science is applied, it can be democracy, islam, kingdom, the government style isn't the issue since government styles are not scientific and there has been so many around the world that were advanced and not democracy or not kingdoms or not caliphates. But the key pillar that united them was 'science' no matter what system they came under, if they didn't do things scientific way, they had no way of managing the natural world.

But any reform that brings about this result, must be halted immediately. We must convince them no-one is touching Islam, it just has no place in workplace, govt, and general world. We can't sit there praying outside and expect miracles since the world isn't supernatural as u guys assume, it's a natural world and it will never change from natural world. U need to be NATURAL also not SUPERNATURAL KKKKK.

“Those whom ye worship beside Him are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers. Allah hath revealed no sanction for them. The decision rests with Allah only, Who hath commanded you that ye worship none save Him. This is the right religion, but most men know not.“