Islamic Economist Are They Joke

[DR OSMAN]

I hear a-lot of Islamist use Islamic economic philosophy as if it's real and observable for the naked eye, yet we don't see one successful Islamic nation who uses the model. Maybe the philosophy was intended for an 'ancient' market place with differing economic systems hasn't crossed their mind. It's as if they don't like to 'change' with ever-evolving world and want to remain with a philosophy that is fit for the 7th century till 17th century.

The question I ask Islamist economists, why do you hold onto this theory when there is no observable place it works? is it out of mere 'emotional attachment'? your emotional desires are not going to change Somali market place, hence why I believe in 'stoic' based type of policies that get's rid of any sort of emotion(jealousy, envy, hate, love) as it can pollute or infect the 'rational mind'.

I will give u an example of how well the western economy works. If you take 100 Somali farmers from 'afgoye' and place them in American market place, they automatically triple their earnings and become 'richer', where-as if you leave him behind in the Islamist dominated economy, he lacks an urban population to service who has strong purchasing power. Can you show us simple examples like that to convince us why your Islamist economy cannot be proven in such a simple way?

The urban environment of Somali needs 3 key variables as long-term policies

1. Health and access to medical facilities for all as their no point having sick population or a labor pool who dies early
2. Food security policies to ensure the 'basic staples' do not become 'excessive' in pricing, so a pricing policy on the basic foods is essential
3. Education policy is critical for urban population(not farming or livestock) these people do not live in farm or nomadic setting, they can't base their economy of the 'rural' people, it's the rural people who service the urban area and if the urban areas are poor and not employed due to 'lack of verifiable skills' their income is going to decrease. No company is going to hire some person with no skills to run his company forget about it, it's a loss of investment when there is better and more equipped labor supply pool in Singapore

Now get in here @Teeri-Alpha The Jubalander. Stop loving these Islamist when none of their policies are provable beyond 'allah said so'. Allah didn't say anything Teeri, they 'selected' flavors of Islam a century ago to ensure the local population remains dis-empowered as their easier to control then an empowered population. Islamic philosophy is decided by the 'winner' and in this case it was the Saudis and they chose 'wahabism' not 'mutazila' for Islamic guidance.

Do not play and act like @Cilmi-doon @Al Kafi who are normal civilians who just 'swallow' up anything in the Mosque as correct without a questioning mind as they were told they may go to hell for it. How can someone who is your equal tell you where u will go? lol. Does he control heaven and hell. Religious people want to remain relevant and powerful in the world that is why they 'sell you these things'. It's not because it has anything proof. Do not fear what some sheikh or imam tells you, he doesn't have the key to the after life. The only thing has the key to is how submissive your mind is to him.

I am no longer under Islamist control waryaa, I am free from their mental domination which is what they want so you always come back and seek their guidance, this now makes them 'influential' for basically doing 'nothing' in the nation. Look at the Saudis who injected wahabism world wide, they want to ensure terrorists are born world wide so they can ensure no islamic nation competes against their oil markets and takes too much 'shares' out of it.

By ensuring your terrorist haven, no oil company will be given the green-light to begin processing oil. He achieved his goal and has dominated world markets in oil while you been sitting there waiting for his charity through islamic foundations. You got played by someone that is essentially 'facaga'. I don't blame him but the people who went there and exported their poisoned Islam.

We already know God thank you very much, we don't need you teaching us. If they start teaching you about god, this no longer 'diinta' saxda ah, it's now about 'mental domination', it's not about god exactly, but pure control on society.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The guy in black suit is how I look at Islamist in real life or any appealing to my emotions and desires and not my 'mind' such as 'calculations, maths, evidences', once you remove the emotions regardless what they are and let the mind work unpolluted you become stoic.

That's why @Al Kafi and @Cilmi-doon know these type of people ma aha dadki la 'siri kare', they move onto the more gullible members of our society to spread their philosophy of fear and mental domination.

I use this picture a-lot to demonstrate stocism, as u can see 'awad' is appealing to 'emotions' such as 'we love u' and all this and in private meetings with his clan 'he is anti puntland' why? dan kale lee yahay, emotional politics waa laga gudbay weli ma fahamsana, waxana keenayso suuqa uu joggo iyo siday uu cayaaran waa weli '17th century' kkkkkk ma ogga in sheekadasi la fahmay oo hada maskaxda keliya laga shaqaysiya not how u APPEAL to us

 

[Ibrahim hassan]

Modern ecconmy is joke and so are all these ecconmists you treasure. It is not strange for a qablisit like you to start on your religion since this what your degenerate path leads you to. There currently exists zero nations using actual Islamic rules for ecconmy and the last one which had something similar is Nazi Germany and the world called it an ecconmic miracle.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Modern ecconmy is joke and so are all these ecconmists you treasure. It is not strange for a qablisit like you to start on your religion since this what your degenerate path leads you to. There currently exists zero nations using actual Islamic rules for ecconmy and the last one which had something similar is Nazi Germany and the world called it an ecconmic miracle.

I will give u the benefit of the doubt as your not the 'brightest' among your 'philosophical' position of Islamism. Let @Teeri-Alpha fight for your camp waryaa, I won't bother answering you and using the worst among his idealogical camp, bring your best waryaa when you fight for your god damn views.

Kulaha your 'qabilist' kkkk he thinks this 'discredits' my views and ideas in some way as it's not socially acceptable kkkk we all grew up out of those 'brainwashing' days of 'Somalinimo, Muslimnimo' as we saw it's purely based on 'control' and your stuck in it weli.

Listen I can be qabilist, racialist, nationalist, islamist, what you are isn't what is at question, it's how u prove it that is. Ur not playing by the rules niyahow, the rules is secular, its reason only, that is called the govt dee, you want to take my money and tax me and empower your belief? expect a gun niyahow, that's just insane to convince yourself anyone will sit there and allow u to take their money and enforce your views on society like islamist, clannism, somalinimo, or any other 'belief'. I know my belief in my clan is a belief that is unshared unlike you who doesnt accept that your views of somalinimo or islanimo is not shared with taxpayers.

U need to accept secularism for this reason or noone is paying taxes waryaa, there is no govt, there is WARS THEN cuz its belief vs belief, but if you say 'noo dhiiga' beliefka, the govt is only 'reason' and if you can justify your belief following secular standard with reason, then we will enforce it.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

I will give u the benefit of the doubt as your not the 'brightest' among your 'philosophical' position of Islamism. Let @Teeri-Alpha fight for your camp waryaa, I won't bother answering you and using the worst among his idealogical camp, bring your best waryaa when you fight for your god damn views.

Kulaha your 'qabilist' kkkk he thinks this 'discredits' my views and ideas in some way as it's not socially acceptable kkkk we all grew up out of those 'brainwashing' days of 'Somalinimo, Muslimnimo' as we saw it's purely based on 'control' and your stuck in it weli.

Listen I can be qabilist, racialist, nationalist, islamist, what you are isn't what is at question, it's how u prove it that is. Ur not playing by the rules niyahow, the rules is secular, its reason only, that is called the govt dee, you want to take my money and tax me and empower your belief? expect a gun niyahow, that's just insane to convince yourself anyone will sit there and allow u to take their money and enforce your views on society like islamist, clannism, somalinimo, or any other 'belief'. I know my belief in my clan is a belief that is unshared unlike you who doesnt accept that your views of somalinimo or islanimo is not shared with taxpayers.

U need to accept secularism for this reason or noone is paying taxes waryaa, there is no govt, there is WARS THEN cuz its belief vs belief, but if you say 'noo dhiiga' beliefka, the govt is only 'reason' and if you can justify your belief following secular standard with reason, then we will enforce it.

ignore this ibrahim marehan kid, he is the one who said i wish qalbidagax died out of hate and clannish agenda, waa iska marehan end of the day, bless him,

we dont need secularism, personally i believe there is a supreme being, a creator, end of the day its a gift from Allah, you either believe or you deny it, you either accept the universe is random or it has an intelligent designer, a creator, i believe or rather i have faith though i do not see it but using common sense and logic i see the order, the wisdom, the creator asked us to judge for ourselves, to look around the universe for evidence of his power and existence,

i dont blame you in a way, you were born from a majaerteen and a murrsade hawiye, hawiye females went with Italian men who married them as gaal in 1960 back to italy, she did not care he was gaal, they just married them, and majerteen are not known for deen or teaching their kids deen like 1door, 1door and Mj usually teach their kids about tribe before he learns how to pray salat, so i dont want to go too far but this is why i have avoided marrying Mj, 1door, hawiye, she will not teach my kids deen, daqan somali, but she will teach them about tribe before he knows how to read surat fatixa, i dont know if your parents were religious but by the way you speaking perhaps the apple has not fallen too far from the tree?

but you are an adult now, you must see the strong evidence that the world has a intelligent designer, creator, there is order, and nothing comes out of nothing, it must be created, nothing begets nothing,


your smart man, i implore Dr to look around, this world has a intelligent designer, zero doesn't create zero, there is a creator, look at the perfection of every bone in your body, the systems, the plants, stars, galaxies, planets, the order, the lack of chaos, how the ocean waters never mix with the river water, one stays sweet and one is salty, Allah speaks of this in the Quran,

that is why i believe in God and dont deny evidence like, atheist deny evidence, are arrogant and make things up, they ignore the one fact that the universe comes from order

the reason why you reject islamic banking and economics with OUT actually understanding economics or Islamic economics or western or the Islam systems is because your clouded by your lack of deen, atheist attitude and biased

be humble, admit you do not have any cilmi in either western economics or Islamic economics, you dont eve know what bad negative aspects western system has yet you booty clap for it

make Allah guide you back to Tawxiid and faith insha Allah, then only then can we debate about the good and bad aspects of western and Islamic economics, you must seek faith first and then knowledge,

 

[KS3]

ignore this ibrahim marehan kid, he is the one who said i wish qalbidagax died out of hate and clannish agenda, waa iska marehan end of the day, bless him,

we dont need secularism, personally i believe there is a supreme being, a creator, end of the day its a gift from Allah, you either believe or you deny it, you either accept the universe is random or it has an intelligent designer, a creator, i believe or rather i have faith though i do not see it but using common sense and logic i see the order, the wisdom, the creator asked us to judge for ourselves, to look around the universe for evidence of his power and existence,

i dont blame you in a way, you were born from a majaerteen and a murrsade hawiye, hawiye females went with Italian men who married them as gaal in 1960 back to italy, she did not care he was gaal, they just married them, and majerteen are not known for deen or teaching their kids deen like *****, ***** and Mj usually teach their kids about tribe before he learns how to pray salat, so i dont want to go too far but this is why i have avoided marrying Mj, *****, hawiye, she will not teach my kids deen, daqan somali, but she will teach them about tribe before he knows how to read surat fatixa, i dont know if your parents were religious but by the way you speaking perhaps the apple has not fallen too far from the tree?

but you are an adult now, you must see the strong evidence that the world has a intelligent designer, creator, there is order, and nothing comes out of nothing, it must be created, nothing begets nothing,


your smart man, i implore Dr to look around, this world has a intelligent designer, zero doesn't create zero, there is a creator, look at the perfection of every bone in your body, the systems, the plants, stars, galaxies, planets, the order, the lack of chaos, how the ocean waters never mix with the river water, one stays sweet and one is salty, Allah speaks of this in the Quran,

that is why i believe in God and dont deny evidence like, atheist deny evidence, are arrogant and make things up, they ignore the one fact that the universe comes from order

the reason why you reject islamic banking and economics with OUT actually understanding economics or Islamic economics or western or the Islam systems is because your clouded by your lack of deen, atheist attitude and biased

be humble, admit you do not have any cilmi in either western economics or Islamic economics, you dont eve know what bad negative aspects western system has yet you booty clap for it

make Allah guide you back to Tawxiid and faith insha Allah, then only then can we debate about the good and bad aspects of western and Islamic economics, you must seek faith first and then knowledge,

Dr Osman wa gaal gaal dhalay

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Dr Osman wa gaal gaal dhalay

 

[DR OSMAN]

U know clans real well if mj leave islam we only become atheist, we dont need another faith but hawiye n isaaq join churches kkkk wat a dumb lot, why not just stay muslim as its essentially all just a belief not a fact kkkk

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha if I had to choose a religion it would be Islam primarily for 'clan reasons' my 'ancestors preferred it' so my diin has 'clannism' involved only, it's not genuine belief in it, but I prefer their god is supreme over other regions god. But I settled for 'reason' and 'secularism', it's the moderate position of 'reason' not 'belief' which just makes people fight in the end. We are all essentially tribalist some just admit others think their smart and can get away with it untill they come to garacad and suuj and collect 700 dead alshababis acting like shabab will work in somalia we see them as clans even if they mix themselves up. its hg project to collect clans into non state actor terror group to stop a nation state, some clans join it so they can just kill a certain clan under the guise of islam ama waa gaal, they think ppl are like naive, i just tell em dont come to PL, its clannish as hell, even the educated in diaspora are clannish and my dad says nasabka ka soo rid kuligood beelaha and make them no longer a clan, we see thinks in clan lenses we dont see them as muslim brothers

 

[General Asad]

Economists are paid to guess on how the economy is going to do (based on previous data and trends). How do Islamic economists differ from that? @DR OSMAN

 

[DR OSMAN]

Economists are paid to guess on how the economy is going to do (based on previous data and trends). How do Islamic economists differ from that? @DR OSMAN

Think about it deeply and simply as @Teeri-Alpha refuses too explain the serious deficiency of our market place. I am not an economist sister but I know when something isn't working for our benefit. We could literally take 1 person out of all our industries say for example barber, farmer, shop keeper, truck driver, u see sister we are doing literally the same 'functions' of any country in the world in the private sector but everything is still poor? but if we relocate each of those people to america, he is automatically going to earn 100 times what he earned in his nation doing the same function. Surely we need a 'real economist' to explain why this is the case and not give us a long ass spew.

The only answer I read usually is you need to increase their 'earnings' by skilling the labor up so they get higher paying jobs and therefore more money is circulating the market in a day. What is market circulation would be interesting in Somalia per day, per week, month, quarter, year. A-lot of that needs 'close watching' to watch for 'strange behaviors' or irregular patterns. They have a science behind it but as a President of Puntland u need their advice on how to structure your market place based on your labour force as the point of an economy is to enrich the locals > who enrich the capitalist. The capitalist just have their money sitting abroad waiting for right environment to 'inject' into. knowing what their requirements are would be the first thing you would need to collect as your wanting to bring them over not 'satisfy' the sheikh about ribbah, he must be told he isn't the market and he needs to mind his own business

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha for example deep down knows how the western system works lakin he doesn't like it due to his 'belief' sister which can hurt us if we have ppl who want to guide a nation on their belief. Teeri is smart guy but his emotional state can ruin any success he has as he will disregard working solutions cause it's not in-line with some 'sheikh or verse', he cud literally make decisions like the ONLF did and watch OGS fight for 20 years over a belief and collect horrendous result, he could also do that to majerten market place kkkk. Their not stoic sister iyagu, they know how it works but step away from western economy and work to discredit it, rather then learn and apply and lets all win mentality.

One thing I love about singapore father he said I didnt adopt the attitude of other colonial areas who refused colonial assistance after independence, his motto was u robbed me once now teach me so I am not robbed again. He dropped the emotions of you did me wrong and I will demonize u for 50 years like the african nations do, all emotional guided hit and the ppl pay the price because 'reason' isn't the style of governance they have at all.

 

[PhySom]

@DR OSMAN is speaking true facts. Western economies are infinitely superior to islamic economies.

The main reason is because western economies have a host of data to analyse. They are trained in university to develop mathematical formulas in every case.

The end result is America , where thousands of economist use human genius to develop frameworks to grow the nation and world.