Islam and Slavery

[Omar del Sur]

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[Aurelian]

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(btw I am sorry to those reading that you cannot see the preview for the tweets now... I am not sure why it is like that now)

you want to be a slave?

 

[Omar del Sur]

you want to be a slave?

no, where did I say that?

 

[_Yusuf_]

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(btw I am sorry to those reading that you cannot see the preview for the tweets now... I am not sure why it is like that now)

NGL being a slave for another man is sus to me. Like he's basically one step from blowing your back out lol.

 

[Aurelian]

no, where did I say that?

why not, if you endorse this "hadith", why you'd mind that?

 

[Omar del Sur]

why not, if you endorse this "hadith", why you'd mind that?

it is a hadith from Sahih Bukhari. I am not one of those deviants who try to undermine Sahih al-Bukhari.

 

[Angelina]

why not, if you endorse this "hadith", why you'd mind that?

What is your view of slavery and how do you navigate the fact that it’s been allowed in the Quran?

 

[Aurelian]

What is your view of slavery?

dehumanizing.

 

[Aurelian]

it is a hadith from Sahih Bukhari. I am not one of those deviants who try to undermine Sahih al-Bukhari.

'Sahih' Al-Bukhari at Bukhari's time was considered as a merely collected hadiths with "I think this is authentic to my knowledge" stamp on it.

 

[Angelina]

dehumanizing.

And how do you navigate the fact that it’s been allowed in the Quran? What’s your take on that?

 

[نور]

'Sahih' Al-Bukhari at Bukhari's time was considered as a merely collected hadiths with "I think this is authentic to my knowledge" stamp on it.

You can’t be serious

 

[Aurelian]

And how do you navigate the fact that it’s been allowed in the Quran? What’s your take on that?

The Quran didn't allow slavery, it acknowledge its existence

 

[Aurelian]

You can’t be serious

It was literally that. There weren't any "If you don't believe in Sahih Al-Bukhari you are a kafir" dogma at that time. Now, many will consider you Kafir simply for arguing about the authenticity of some hadiths in it

 

[Angelina]

The Quran didn't allow slavery, it acknowledge its existence

How come it talks about your right hand possession being allowed to be with them? How come the Prophet s.a.w had one? How do you navigate that?

 

[Angelina]

It was literally that. There weren't any "If you don't believe in Sahih Al-Bukhari you are a kafir" dogma at that time. Now, many will consider you Kafir simply for arguing about the authenticity of some hadiths in it

I think that’s obvious for any student of history since the Hadiths were collected two hundred years later and obviously, people before Bukhari weren’t relying on his collection. But the sentiment is that now that we do have a complied Hadiths that make our lives easier via a better understanding of
our deen, on what premise can you reject it?

 

[Aurelian]

How come it talks about your right hand possession being allowed to be with them? How come the Prophet s.a.w had one? How do you navigate that?

It was a system that existed, a wrong system. People shouldn't see it in different way than that.

 

[نور]

It was literally that. There weren't any "If you don't believe in Sahih Al-Bukhari you are a kafir" dogma at that time. Now, many will consider you Kafir simply for arguing about the authenticity of some hadiths in it

No one says if you don't believe in Sahih Bukhari you are kaffir no one but rejecting mutawattir ahadith is kufr

 

[Aurelian]

I think that’s obvious for any student of history since the Hadiths were collected two hundred years later and obviously, people before Bukhari weren’t relying on his collection. But the sentiment is that now that we do have a complied Hadiths that make our lives easier via a better understanding of
our deen, on what premise can you reject it?

Al-Bukhari discredited 55% of what he collected, based on reasoning and criteria he put.

 

[نور]

It was a system that existed, a wrong system. People shouldn't see it in different way than that.

We can say that for all things marriage was also system that existed so were many things. If Allah does not forbid a system that he acknowledges his existence then it means it's halal and allowed

 

[Omar del Sur]

'Sahih' Al-Bukhari at Bukhari's time was considered as a merely collected hadiths with "I think this is authentic to my knowledge" stamp on it.

how can you say these kinds of horrible things. you are seriously pointing people in the wrong direction. Sahih Al-Bukhari is the most authentic book (besides maybe Al-Muwatta) after the Quran itself and you should have more resepct for it rather than undermine the sunnah. And to undermine the sunnah is to undermine the din.