Is Time And Maths Real?

[DR OSMAN]

When you look at the natural world, you will not see 'monday, tuesday, wednesday' nor will you see 'numbers'. You will see 'seasons' though, that is natural, wet, dry, cold, hot, etc. You will see only 'light and darkness'. So it's obvious math's and time is human creation and do we need it? yes? but do we need to follow English model? no. You can translate numbers into any language, and each society had their own ways of looking at the world. Remember time is a number, measurements of all kinds are numbers. The other thing you will notice time is man made when you look at the day and night, you see a 'cycle' only from dark to light.

This is one of the reasons people have different time and calendars, you can note the beginning whenever you 'choose' too. The other peculiar thing is. From Earth to other stars or planets is a matter of 'distance'. If we didn't understand 'distance', what other way can you measure? for example you can measure on 'moon cycles' and 'sun cycle'. Since Somalia has 4 distinct 'seasons'.

Gu, Dayr, Mahigan, Xaaga. So we would need Somali to note the beginning of each season and start noting down each sun and moon cycle to define that 'period' of how many days are in Gu, Dayr, Mahigan, Xaaga. From there you will have fixed number of days/night on each season and cycle. This will give us a measure of how long Mahigan is, How long Xaaga is, How long Gu is. From there we can calculate how many days/nights by adding up the different seasons to work out a year. We can also work out the time of each day by watching the sun during the day and noting 'intervals' in the sky and give it a number.

We need these type of scientists in Somalia, people who work like scientists on the natural world. We don't need people sitting around playing word games of nonsense and man made problems that solve nothing. Real scientists create something ever-lasting for a society.

That will give us now a calendar year, distinct seasons in Somalia, the number of days in each season, it will be broken down into day and night to measure how long the sun navigates thru the sky from it's starting point to it's ending point in the sky.

 

[4head]

Most Somalis are liks this, sad!

 

[DR OSMAN]

When I observe the natural world and If I was living in that time period. I only see 5 natural intervals to time. When the Sun rises, the beginning, when it hits mid-day in the middle of the sky, when it travels half-way in the sky between sun-set and mid-day. Then When the Moon rises would be distinct time period. U would follow the Moon also with the same cycle till the Sun rises.

Then you could divide each interval period into hours I guess but u would need some technology for that you can't sit there writing 1,2,3,4,5,6, all day. This modern time we have is very new I suspect and can't imagine it was used prior to the 50's.

For example how much time lapses between when the sun rises to when it reaches mid-day?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Working out a calendar month, year, season, and how many days in each season would be quite easy just having some numerical knowledge and observing the sky behavior. Because the Sky has a behavior, it's is light and darkness, seasons will be easy to monitor as you can use that as the point where to start and stop counting.

For example I would assume Somali season would be 'two' wet n dry. So my timetable would be 2 season time table of days and night.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Most Somalis are liks this, sad!

Yeah they waste their time on nonsense like playing word puzzles lol or equation problems, that's not scientist. Scientist does REAL WORK on what is observed not sit playing numerical games, that's a child cuz time and maths isn't REAL, it's human concept to understand the world.

For example, one somali should've of noted a library of knowledge of 'air, wind, fire, heat, cold' then another somali should've of come long say few generation and found a breakthrough in 'air' and say air can be broken down into cold air or hot air, wow breakthrough. Then another one comes along in a few generation and breaks down hot air can be humid or dry. wow another breakthrough. They lack this chain of knowledge and they dont seem to want to start developing it. The longer they live it, the longer somalia stays in a dark age.

 

[DR OSMAN]

There is two fields of sciences? their is theoritical stuff which isn't proveable, most of the articles in this science section are theories and there is experimental, the stuff I prefer, where you actually go do it not sit there playing at possibilities. Newton was 'experimental' type of scientist, there is no doubt. He played with the natural world not play with word games.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@4head you don't seem to have any hope for them, except going around for the begging bowl. Sheet even the leaders do that, that shows a defeated people, waa umaad laga guulaystay.

 

[4head]

@4head you don't seem to have any hope for them, except going around for the begging bowl. Sheet even the leaders do that, that shows a defeated people, waa umaad laga guulaystay.

Maybe the younger generation will be the last hope for Somalia..

 

[Nalle]

Hey actually somalis are good at maths...

 

[DR OSMAN]

Hey actually somalis are good at maths...

If they understood maths they would be like @4head who would know maths is a human concept, you can sit there playing number games all day it doesn't mean it will invent anything because the world isn't numerical, it's our of way measuring it only. The sun and moon have cycles only, but our way of measuring it is through numbers, not because the sun and moon is numbers.

The best example is, you can sit there playing number games with a shop or business profits by working out how many staff work there, the items for sale, the number of customers that enter, comprison to similar store profits, you can list thousands of variables but untill you actually look at their books or yearly taxes, it's all just 'theoritical' and not provable. So your wasting your time on maths that is about 'variables' and that's 'theory' maths, it's called doing approximation I think now. Science is about the natural world and observation and using numbers to facilitate that. That's how it should be.

For example you can sit there and play at numbers but this won't provide any development in the world. The ideas of number is to use it for natural world to see what the result will be thru experimentation.

 

[DR OSMAN]

OK A science question? What can Somalis use to figure out the temperature in Somalia, using only Somali sourced materials and knowledge? See that's the sort of thing that starts revolution in science, the idea of questioning and making the class room think to perform experiments on different materials in their environment. Not run to the local library and read the answer. Because if they can't solve the answer without reading previous knowledge, this is going to indicate they can't provide the world new knowledge because their dependent on previous knowledge for answer.

Hence the world never progresses anymore and we enter a dark age. That is what seperates inventors and students. Students learn previous knowledge and acquire it thru 'reading, memorising', where-as inventors create new knowledge regardless if previous knowledge exists or not. They can basically start from scratch because their experimenting. Their taking a problem in their society and using their minds to test different solutions.

 

[Samaalic Era]

OK A science question? What can Somalis use to figure out the temperature in Somalia, using only Somali sourced materials and knowledge? See that's the sort of thing that starts revolution in science, the idea of questioning and making the class room think to perform experiments on different materials in their environment. Not run to the local library and read the answer. Because if they can't solve the answer without reading previous knowledge, this is going to indicate they can't provide the world new knowledge because their dependent on previous knowledge for answer.

Hence the world never progresses anymore and we enter a dark age. That is what seperates inventors and students. Students learn previous knowledge and acquire it thru 'reading, memorising', where-as inventors create new knowledge regardless if previous knowledge exists or not. They can basically start from scratch because their experimenting. Their taking a problem in their society and using their minds to test different solutions.

This relates to your point. In Somalia, you have all these graduates but nothing happens. A good example is how when you learn Arabic in Somalia,they teach the rules of the language and its structure but when it comes to Af Somali, just use the plain Latin script with no rules and is not suited for Af Somali. Also,instead of using a Somali calendar, they feel the need to use a pagan calendar which also does not relate to Somali seasons.Alternatively, they are content with being spoonfed instead of trying to understand the world and trying to make achievements.

 

[Samaalic Era]

In terms of a calendar, I think a Astronomical Lunar calendar would suit Somalia best. It would be a unique calendar to us for which people would recognise and also challenge the irregular Arab Lunar calendar
@DR OSMAN