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This is very fucking weird.
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Millions of Chinese masters student drive taxis in China. We need more of those bright minds in Africa.
I've been to Zambia my 7th time so far, I have distant relatives living in the capital Lusaka.
Spent couple of months there.
The Chinese population in Zambia is approximately around 80,000,
out of the 18 million Zambian citizens.
France 24 news is a propaganda machine, did you know that during the late 60's there was something morbid untold to the outside world, I bet if I were to give you a map and tell you to point out the location of Katanga you would scratch your head. Let alone understand what took place there.
The region is situated in Zaire ( the name at the time) just an eight hours drive to the Zambian border.
In the town of Kolwezi, the French legion and Belgian mercenaries had a role in the massacre of ethnic Kolwezi that lived in either side of the arbitrary borders drawn by the Berlin conference.
You didn't know that.
Ofcourse the imperialists would keep their dark evil secrets hidden. Forget about what they had done in French West Africa and Algeria. They left blood trails in Southern African.
To dive back into history of the region we must understand the dark side, these intricate matters involved.
Southern Congo and the Copperbelt region in Northern Zambia sits atop an estimated 3.4 million metric tons of cobalt, almost half the world’s known supply. Mostly the components of Cell phones and electric cars rely on the mineral, causing a boom in demand. Locals hunt for this buried treasure but are getting nowhere, because they randomly disappear, forget about receiving the profit.
In recent decades, hundreds of thousands of Congolese throughout the country have moved to the formerly remote area. Kolwezi now has more than half a million residents. Many Congolese had taken odd jobs at industrial mines in the region. Artisanal diggers or creuseurs digging their own holes and tunnels, risking cave ins and other dangers in pursuit of buried treasure.
The irony is that the Kolwezi were unfamiliar with the outside world, little knowledge of what goes on in their country, so remote that they discovered this strange black rock beneath their houses, The Kolwezi began digging under their houses. Attracting the attention of despots , bandits and the prying eyes of greedy French opportunists.
Okay you're wondering what is the fucking connection between Southern Congolese and Northern Zambians.
The region is operates exactly the same in comparison to the porous borders that demarcates Somalia and the Somali Region of Ethiopia.
Families and relatives living in either side, they're ethnically the same and cross, trade and intermarry.
So interlinked and during the scramble for Africa.
Copper has been mined in Congo since at least the 4th century, and the deposits were known to Portuguese slave traders from the 15th century onward. Cobalt is a byproduct of copper production. In 1885, Belgium’s King Leopold II claimed the country as his private property and brutally exploited it for rubber you can go and search archived books of
King Leopold’s Ghost as many as ten million Congolese were killed including the region of Katanga. But, because of fierce local resistance and the inaccessibility of this particular region proved to be difficult for the Belgians,
large scale commercial mining didn’t begin in the south until the late twentieth century and onward.
As for the history of Zambia it is a little different, although they suffered fate, their lands, farms and plot expropriated by resettlers
it was regarded as Northern Rhodesia under British South Africa Company.
The company administered north of the Zambezi in two parts, North Eastern and North Western Rhodesia. In 1911 these territories were united to form Northern Rhodesia, with its capital at Livingstone, near Victoria Falls. Among a population of perhaps one million, there were 1500 white residents. Some had come to mine surface deposits of copper, and a few, mostly from South Africa, farmed on the plateau east of Livingstone. Northern Rhodesia regarded the country chiefly as a source of labour for gold and coal mines in Southern Rhodesia(Zimbabwe) and for the copper mines in Katanga, which in 1910 were linked by rail to Southern Rhodesia and the east coast port of Beira, Mozambique. By then company officials had been posted to most parts of Northern Rhodesia and levied taxes to force the locals to seek work their displacement.
Then WW1 bore heavily on the territory. The demand for materials, nearly 50,000 local porters were conscripted to fight against the German East Africa campaign in Tanganyika, many had perished only the crippled and wounded returned and died horrible painful deaths. The British began recruiting for more porters and conscriptors, to the point there were no men left.
So in the absence of men,
local women alongside children and the old bore the brunt of sowing and harvesting to then cut trees and clear new land, farm plots they were worked to exhaustion.
Many didn't last long as they died of horrible diseases and infections.
Labour was also urgently needed for mining and the world war boosted the demand for base metals from Northern Rhodesia as well as Katanga. The Bwana Mkubwa mine exported copper from 1916 to 1918, and from 1917 to 1925 the country’s main export was lead from Broken Hill (now Kabwe).
The British had little regards of their welfare they saw them nothing but back breaking Negroes, only that mattered were the quantities of commodity for the boost of their empire.
The whites began flooding Northern Rhodesia, it was mainly the wives and families of the colonial armies,
the British composing of English, Welsh, Scottish from the mainland , South Rhodesian settlers and a handful of British South African settlers. Other European White investors were welcomed to settle in the paved away fertile land.
Spent couple of months there.
The Chinese population in Zambia is approximately around 80,000,
out of the 18 million Zambian citizens.
France 24 news is a propaganda machine, did you know that during the late 60's there was something morbid untold to the outside world, I bet if I were to give you a map and tell you to point out the location of Katanga you would scratch your head. Let alone understand what took place there.
The region is situated in Zaire ( the name at the time) just an eight hours drive to the Zambian border.
In the town of Kolwezi, the French legion and Belgian mercenaries had a role in the massacre of ethnic Kolwezi that lived in either side of the arbitrary borders drawn by the Berlin conference.
You didn't know that.
Ofcourse the imperialists would keep their dark evil secrets hidden. Forget about what they had done in French West Africa and Algeria. They left blood trails in Southern African.
To dive back into history of the region we must understand the dark side, these intricate matters involved.
Southern Congo and the Copperbelt region in Northern Zambia sits atop an estimated 3.4 million metric tons of cobalt, almost half the world’s known supply. Mostly the components of Cell phones and electric cars rely on the mineral, causing a boom in demand. Locals hunt for this buried treasure but are getting nowhere, because they randomly disappear, forget about receiving the profit.
In recent decades, hundreds of thousands of Congolese throughout the country have moved to the formerly remote area. Kolwezi now has more than half a million residents. Many Congolese had taken odd jobs at industrial mines in the region. Artisanal diggers or creuseurs digging their own holes and tunnels, risking cave ins and other dangers in pursuit of buried treasure.
The irony is that the Kolwezi were unfamiliar with the outside world, little knowledge of what goes on in their country, so remote that they discovered this strange black rock beneath their houses, The Kolwezi began digging under their houses. Attracting the attention of despots , bandits and the prying eyes of greedy French opportunists.
Okay you're wondering what is the fucking connection between Southern Congolese and Northern Zambians.
The region is operates exactly the same in comparison to the porous borders that demarcates Somalia and the Somali Region of Ethiopia.
Families and relatives living in either side, they're ethnically the same and cross, trade and intermarry.
So interlinked and during the scramble for Africa.
Copper has been mined in Congo since at least the 4th century, and the deposits were known to Portuguese slave traders from the 15th century onward. Cobalt is a byproduct of copper production. In 1885, Belgium’s King Leopold II claimed the country as his private property and brutally exploited it for rubber you can go and search archived books of
King Leopold’s Ghost as many as ten million Congolese were killed including the region of Katanga. But, because of fierce local resistance and the inaccessibility of this particular region proved to be difficult for the Belgians,
large scale commercial mining didn’t begin in the south until the late twentieth century and onward.
As for the history of Zambia it is a little different, although they suffered fate, their lands, farms and plot expropriated by resettlers
it was regarded as Northern Rhodesia under British South Africa Company.
The company administered north of the Zambezi in two parts, North Eastern and North Western Rhodesia. In 1911 these territories were united to form Northern Rhodesia, with its capital at Livingstone, near Victoria Falls. Among a population of perhaps one million, there were 1500 white residents. Some had come to mine surface deposits of copper, and a few, mostly from South Africa, farmed on the plateau east of Livingstone. Northern Rhodesia regarded the country chiefly as a source of labour for gold and coal mines in Southern Rhodesia(Zimbabwe) and for the copper mines in Katanga, which in 1910 were linked by rail to Southern Rhodesia and the east coast port of Beira, Mozambique. By then company officials had been posted to most parts of Northern Rhodesia and levied taxes to force the locals to seek work their displacement.
Then WW1 bore heavily on the territory. The demand for materials, nearly 50,000 local porters were conscripted to fight against the German East Africa campaign in Tanganyika, many had perished only the crippled and wounded returned and died horrible painful deaths. The British began recruiting for more porters and conscriptors, to the point there were no men left.
So in the absence of men,
local women alongside children and the old bore the brunt of sowing and harvesting to then cut trees and clear new land, farm plots they were worked to exhaustion.
Many didn't last long as they died of horrible diseases and infections.
Labour was also urgently needed for mining and the world war boosted the demand for base metals from Northern Rhodesia as well as Katanga. The Bwana Mkubwa mine exported copper from 1916 to 1918, and from 1917 to 1925 the country’s main export was lead from Broken Hill (now Kabwe).
The British had little regards of their welfare they saw them nothing but back breaking Negroes, only that mattered were the quantities of commodity for the boost of their empire.
The whites began flooding Northern Rhodesia, it was mainly the wives and families of the colonial armies,
the British composing of English, Welsh, Scottish from the mainland , South Rhodesian settlers and a handful of British South African settlers. Other European White investors were welcomed to settle in the paved away fertile land.
The British government then opted to increase white settlement as a wider strategy to strengthen British influence between South Africa and Kenya. Land was strictly reserved for white ownership along the railway line, in the far north, and in the east. Around those areas, African reserves were marked out in 1928 to 1930. In shanty towns, shacks and townships.
This soon led to overcrowding, soil exhaustion, and food shortage, and a number of whites settlers encroached the designated shacks for Zambians.
During WW2, in 1930 the copper became the colony's most promising resource. Huge deposits had been located far beneath the headwaters of the Kafue and were mined by companies mostly financed from South Africa, through the Anglo American Corporation, and the United States, through the Rhodesian Selection Trust.
In 1930–31 prices for copper collapsed, due to results of the worldwide depression.
For skilled labour, they depended on whites who had to be paid what they might have earned in South Africa.
Zambian labour, whatever remained of able bodied male population they worked for wages away from their homes, and many worked outside the territory their native regions.
As I have earlier mentioned indentured labourers were cheap and abundant, the employers accepted a high turnover rate to avoid providing the amenities for them hence discouraging permanent African settlement in urban areas.
From 1935 copper prices rose sharply, and by 1938 Northern Rhodesia delivered substantial amount to the world’s total output of copper.
The capital was moved to Lusaka in 1935, the British tried to stop the numerous strikes of angry Zambians hence naming the capital in native Soli language.
The Solis are the first native inhabitants of Zambia, they suffered the most, their lands forecefully taken.
It didn't stop the protests however and according to the White settlers they were infuriated with the colony's decision to name the capital in an inferior African language.
The White Settlers supremacists objected.
The British subtle appeasement to the locals, it provoked Zambians to resist and strike again, some fled to the uncontrollable Katanga to form guerilla groups and the call to arms.
Zambians saw both of them as White supremacists.
This was the starting point when Rhodesians settlers and the British developed a sour relationship. The Rhodesians wanted a fully White Republic.
The second phase of the world war ends.
And the British devised strategy plan to exit as Africans throughout the continent took up arms against their oppressors.
They made public investment in roads, schools, and health services, for Africans as well as whites. Missionaries ran many primary schools, but in 1942 only 35 Zambians were receiving secondary education.
The Rhodesians settlers were outraged criticising the British.
Unlike Southern Rhodesia. Although whites formed less than 2 percent of Northern Rhodesia, their numbers rose between 1946 and 1951 from 22,000 to 37,000, partly because of immigration from those countries. And native Zambians were not even 5 million at the time.
The White settlers had the same aspirations as their Southern counterparts to strengthen White settler self-government in the region.
Between 1947 and 1953 the British devised a plan to defer the White settlers influence in government. They begin the campaign to recruit locals in lower government and more Zambian natives. The entrenching White supremacy seemed to lie in amalgamation with the south. The British politicians feared that the entire Rhodesia would otherwise fall under the sway of the Afrikaner nationalists who had come to power in South Africa in 1948, the national party at the time.
On the other hand the British feared of African reprisals and resentment, as many trekked days journey to join the resistance guerillas in the jungles of the Copperbelt, in 1953 a new nation was formed.
Northern and Southern Rhodesia and Nyasaland(Malawi) were brought together in the Central African Federation despite the protests.
The forced federation was a curious and unstable combination.
Its government was lied in Southern Rhodesia, which also dominated the federal parliament. It had wide powers over all three territories, though in the north Britain retained control over questions of African land, education, and political status.
They changed their face from colonialist to democracy.
A new generation of Zambians wanted Northern Rhodesia to become an independent African state, as Ghana had become in 1957. In 1958, led by Kenneth Kaunda, a former teacher and civil servant, he formed the Congress the Zambia African National Congress and its successor, the United National Independence Party (UNIP). Britain accepted that Africans would have to be given more power than the federal government in Southern Rhodesia was willing to concede.
Zambians became a majority in the legislature. The federation was dissolved at the end of 1963.
And in 1964 on October 24 the country became the independent Republic of Zambia, within the Commonwealth and with Kaunda serving as the executive president.
During the early years of independence, Zambia was comparatively prosperous.
But the country wasn't directly independent, it still had require trading rights and approval from the British South Africa Company and had to deal with a resentful Rhodesian Republic to the South.
The country embarked on long overdue investment in communications and social services. In 1960 there had only been 2,500 Africans in secondary schools by 1971 there were 54,000. At independence there were fewer than 100 Zambian university graduates in 1965 the University of Zambia was founded, and by 1971 it had 2,000 students. Zambians finally began to predominate in the upper ranks of the civil service, the army, business, and the professions. The copper industry still relied heavily on white expertise, but the colour bar had longed vanished, and in 1966 Zambian mine workers secured a large increase in pay, which soon affected wage levels generally.
On the other hand, Zambia suffered massively from the white supremacy across the Zambezi. Following Rhodesia’s Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI) in 1965, the United Nations imposed sanctions to isolate that country, but it bore heavily on the Zambian economy. Remember in the past the logistic route to Copperbelt, were southwards and the locals depended on that market.
Trade with Rhodesia steadily reduced the border ceased to work in 1973. The diplomatic relations between the countries remained tense.But they still operated underneath the shadows to fuel instability.
This soon led to overcrowding, soil exhaustion, and food shortage, and a number of whites settlers encroached the designated shacks for Zambians.
During WW2, in 1930 the copper became the colony's most promising resource. Huge deposits had been located far beneath the headwaters of the Kafue and were mined by companies mostly financed from South Africa, through the Anglo American Corporation, and the United States, through the Rhodesian Selection Trust.
In 1930–31 prices for copper collapsed, due to results of the worldwide depression.
For skilled labour, they depended on whites who had to be paid what they might have earned in South Africa.
Zambian labour, whatever remained of able bodied male population they worked for wages away from their homes, and many worked outside the territory their native regions.
As I have earlier mentioned indentured labourers were cheap and abundant, the employers accepted a high turnover rate to avoid providing the amenities for them hence discouraging permanent African settlement in urban areas.
From 1935 copper prices rose sharply, and by 1938 Northern Rhodesia delivered substantial amount to the world’s total output of copper.
The capital was moved to Lusaka in 1935, the British tried to stop the numerous strikes of angry Zambians hence naming the capital in native Soli language.
The Solis are the first native inhabitants of Zambia, they suffered the most, their lands forecefully taken.
It didn't stop the protests however and according to the White settlers they were infuriated with the colony's decision to name the capital in an inferior African language.
The White Settlers supremacists objected.
The British subtle appeasement to the locals, it provoked Zambians to resist and strike again, some fled to the uncontrollable Katanga to form guerilla groups and the call to arms.
Zambians saw both of them as White supremacists.
This was the starting point when Rhodesians settlers and the British developed a sour relationship. The Rhodesians wanted a fully White Republic.
The second phase of the world war ends.
And the British devised strategy plan to exit as Africans throughout the continent took up arms against their oppressors.
They made public investment in roads, schools, and health services, for Africans as well as whites. Missionaries ran many primary schools, but in 1942 only 35 Zambians were receiving secondary education.
The Rhodesians settlers were outraged criticising the British.
Unlike Southern Rhodesia. Although whites formed less than 2 percent of Northern Rhodesia, their numbers rose between 1946 and 1951 from 22,000 to 37,000, partly because of immigration from those countries. And native Zambians were not even 5 million at the time.
The White settlers had the same aspirations as their Southern counterparts to strengthen White settler self-government in the region.
Between 1947 and 1953 the British devised a plan to defer the White settlers influence in government. They begin the campaign to recruit locals in lower government and more Zambian natives. The entrenching White supremacy seemed to lie in amalgamation with the south. The British politicians feared that the entire Rhodesia would otherwise fall under the sway of the Afrikaner nationalists who had come to power in South Africa in 1948, the national party at the time.
On the other hand the British feared of African reprisals and resentment, as many trekked days journey to join the resistance guerillas in the jungles of the Copperbelt, in 1953 a new nation was formed.
Northern and Southern Rhodesia and Nyasaland(Malawi) were brought together in the Central African Federation despite the protests.
The forced federation was a curious and unstable combination.
Its government was lied in Southern Rhodesia, which also dominated the federal parliament. It had wide powers over all three territories, though in the north Britain retained control over questions of African land, education, and political status.
They changed their face from colonialist to democracy.
A new generation of Zambians wanted Northern Rhodesia to become an independent African state, as Ghana had become in 1957. In 1958, led by Kenneth Kaunda, a former teacher and civil servant, he formed the Congress the Zambia African National Congress and its successor, the United National Independence Party (UNIP). Britain accepted that Africans would have to be given more power than the federal government in Southern Rhodesia was willing to concede.
Zambians became a majority in the legislature. The federation was dissolved at the end of 1963.
And in 1964 on October 24 the country became the independent Republic of Zambia, within the Commonwealth and with Kaunda serving as the executive president.
During the early years of independence, Zambia was comparatively prosperous.
But the country wasn't directly independent, it still had require trading rights and approval from the British South Africa Company and had to deal with a resentful Rhodesian Republic to the South.
The country embarked on long overdue investment in communications and social services. In 1960 there had only been 2,500 Africans in secondary schools by 1971 there were 54,000. At independence there were fewer than 100 Zambian university graduates in 1965 the University of Zambia was founded, and by 1971 it had 2,000 students. Zambians finally began to predominate in the upper ranks of the civil service, the army, business, and the professions. The copper industry still relied heavily on white expertise, but the colour bar had longed vanished, and in 1966 Zambian mine workers secured a large increase in pay, which soon affected wage levels generally.
On the other hand, Zambia suffered massively from the white supremacy across the Zambezi. Following Rhodesia’s Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI) in 1965, the United Nations imposed sanctions to isolate that country, but it bore heavily on the Zambian economy. Remember in the past the logistic route to Copperbelt, were southwards and the locals depended on that market.
Trade with Rhodesia steadily reduced the border ceased to work in 1973. The diplomatic relations between the countries remained tense.But they still operated underneath the shadows to fuel instability.
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This is where China steps in as a partner and friend.
Zambia remained diplomatic ties with Britain, but at minimum.
The Copper exports were expensively rerouted northward, and a tarmac road and oil pipeline were built to Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. The Tazara railway its headquarters in that country.
National integration was a major task for Zambia’s decision makers during independence. White settlers presented no great difficulty, and those farmers who remained were valued for their skills to food production.
Tribalism was a more of a serious problem. The legacy of British colonialism, White supremacy created vast differences among Zambians. The regional differences aggravated under colonial rule at the time and the absence of any African lingua franca. The Lozi and other peoples in the west and south had long depended on labour migration across the Zambezi, the Copperbelt were predominantly dominated by the northeast ethnic groups consisting of Bemba, Kolwezi and Lunda people who were closely related to their Southern Congolese relatives than major ethnic groups in Zambia.
So you can understand the impacts of centuries of colonial rule and division carried out by the Whites.
In the early 1970s Zambia’s economic fortunes took a turn for the worse. The government became increasingly authoritarian. Kaunda felt threatened by critics at home and by the illegal Rhodesian regime who prompted Zambian guerilla fighters based in remote forests of the country.
However China slowly establishes itself in the region.
From there to the 21st century.
hey have invested in properties, farms like I said the western medias are blowing it out of proportion.
Why don't they mention the Zambian massacres that took place.
Somalis also live in the Copperbelt region towns like Ndola and Kitwe which borders Congo to the North. Owning farms and small enterprises. It's relatively calm, resentments of locals are limited a thus the Xenophobia compared to South Africa is incomparable.
It's two separate worlds.
Anyways that's the history, from what I've been told and what the locals had share.
As for the debt trap and anti China remarks made by the west what about the IMF in Zambia, what happened. Freezing assets, embargoes and forcing the economy on it's knees, in exchange for its rich resources.
Why are they silent on that matter.
France have no place to talk about colonialism, they should talk about how they're still exploiting Francophone Africa, meddling in their affairs, what about the mercenaries and UN mandated troops that
carried out the rapes , killings and tortures on Africans under the pretext of liberation,
staging a coupe against a leader that tells them to shove their baguettes up their asses.
You tell me and you have some Maryooleys here , actually let me say sheep minded Maryooleys to be specific believing in their garbage.
According to some here I'm just an ignorant inarticulate fob shopkeeper in South Africa with little knowledge. Whatever you perceive of me, I don't buy what the media exaggerates.
I know my shit well, because my boots are always in the mud.
Zambia remained diplomatic ties with Britain, but at minimum.
The Copper exports were expensively rerouted northward, and a tarmac road and oil pipeline were built to Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. The Tazara railway its headquarters in that country.
National integration was a major task for Zambia’s decision makers during independence. White settlers presented no great difficulty, and those farmers who remained were valued for their skills to food production.
Tribalism was a more of a serious problem. The legacy of British colonialism, White supremacy created vast differences among Zambians. The regional differences aggravated under colonial rule at the time and the absence of any African lingua franca. The Lozi and other peoples in the west and south had long depended on labour migration across the Zambezi, the Copperbelt were predominantly dominated by the northeast ethnic groups consisting of Bemba, Kolwezi and Lunda people who were closely related to their Southern Congolese relatives than major ethnic groups in Zambia.
So you can understand the impacts of centuries of colonial rule and division carried out by the Whites.
In the early 1970s Zambia’s economic fortunes took a turn for the worse. The government became increasingly authoritarian. Kaunda felt threatened by critics at home and by the illegal Rhodesian regime who prompted Zambian guerilla fighters based in remote forests of the country.
However China slowly establishes itself in the region.
From there to the 21st century.
hey have invested in properties, farms like I said the western medias are blowing it out of proportion.
Why don't they mention the Zambian massacres that took place.
Somalis also live in the Copperbelt region towns like Ndola and Kitwe which borders Congo to the North. Owning farms and small enterprises. It's relatively calm, resentments of locals are limited a thus the Xenophobia compared to South Africa is incomparable.
It's two separate worlds.
Anyways that's the history, from what I've been told and what the locals had share.
As for the debt trap and anti China remarks made by the west what about the IMF in Zambia, what happened. Freezing assets, embargoes and forcing the economy on it's knees, in exchange for its rich resources.
Why are they silent on that matter.
France have no place to talk about colonialism, they should talk about how they're still exploiting Francophone Africa, meddling in their affairs, what about the mercenaries and UN mandated troops that
carried out the rapes , killings and tortures on Africans under the pretext of liberation,
staging a coupe against a leader that tells them to shove their baguettes up their asses.
You tell me and you have some Maryooleys here , actually let me say sheep minded Maryooleys to be specific believing in their garbage.
According to some here I'm just an ignorant inarticulate fob shopkeeper in South Africa with little knowledge. Whatever you perceive of me, I don't buy what the media exaggerates.
I know my shit well, because my boots are always in the mud.
Nalaaye floxks
Life is like a sandwich, the bread comes firstđź’°đź’Ż
If there is Chinese in Somalis then don’t be suprised
somalis are brave, they wont let chinese come in and punk them. right?!
Nalaaye floxks
Life is like a sandwich, the bread comes firstđź’°đź’Ż
Somalia has an iq of 68 and their country is a shithole
But I guess they might because somalia didn’t recognize Taiwan
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