Is The West A Light Onto The World?

[DR OSMAN]

I know u guys will come screaming that the west is evil, steals resources, is corrupt at the top 1% of society, it's people are treated like commodities under capitalism, rampant racism, etc and I accept these genuine concerns are valid, I am not going to argue that they do not have social ills.

But the west has stated clearly what their morality and value system is built on and what it protects and wants to spread world wide. It's freedom-equality-justice 4 all basically. This is what their men/women serve and die for. This is an 'aspiration' and 'goal' of theirs. Does the west fall short of those standards, of course it does. But does that mean their 'system' is bad becuz they fall short of it?

It's well known in the world there is no perfect system, and systems are evaluated on who's got the 'least worst.

The west see's itself as a small light in a very dark world, it even calls that dark world an 'axis of evil', while their the 'free world'. I honestly believe they have the best system in the world which is far more in-line with human rights not 'ethnic rights, or religion rights' but all 'humans' have inalienable rights.

I think it's a vastly superior system and the people who reject it what else would u call them but 'dark evil axis forces' in the world, they want a 'tyrannical' system if their against a human rights is first system.

This clown @Omar del Sur will call me 'western butt licker' but dammit if ur against human rights system, then u r tyrannical and apart of an 'evil axis' calling 4 a system where only 'certain' people enjoy rights whether it's ethnic, religious, gender, tribal, etc. I want to remove ur type from Somalia so they can see this is the best system ever concieved by mankind and is far more in-line with God then any other system. God gave people free will n freedom and by god u or no state has the right to INTERFERE.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Let the Battle begin between the free human right compliant supporters vs the axis of evil who reject this system so we cannot call them anything else.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Omar del Sur now u present why ur against human right compliant system where everyone enjoys rights 'even those u hate' becuz we believe this is inherited to all adam children and u or no state has the right to interfere

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hamzza waan ku 'gowracan' ahay human rights first system, freedom, equality, justice value system. Illahi ayaa dadka siyay xoriyat when he created adam, ma yeelayo nidaam faro gelin ku samayso wixi illahi dadka siiiye.

I know some systems operate faster n develop quicker like china system(50 years they developed an economy of the scale of america which took america 400 years). But I prefer a slower and safer system where u know 'rebellions' ama 'faro gelin' is impossible becuz everyone enjoys their human right, that's why ppl fight niyahow, your stripping something essentially god gave them and hence ur state is very vulnerable to faro gelin or internal instability in the long run.

 

[Nomadic lord]

I can't fault the west for wanting to maintain its dominance because it's only human nature. They have a good system if you're in it, but if you're outside of it, like a country like China or a Muslim country, then you're the enemy. The west is fundamentally about self-interest. Their message of freedom only matters when the country has oil.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I can't fault the west for wanting to maintain its dominance because it's only human nature. They have a good system if you're in it, but if you're outside of it, like a country like China or a Muslim country, then you're the enemy. The west is fundamentally about self-interest. Their message of freedom only matters when the country has oil.

Why don't we as Somalis who know the system is good, implement it and master it and show them how it's done, then sit from the sideline critiquing the west for fallin short of it? remember it's an 'aspiration, value, morality' guideline, anyone can come along and show us how to master it and then join the 'beacon of light' in the world. Remember u said the SYSTEM IS GOOD but only the PPL r bad? that's fine i acknowledge that, why don't we take the system and master it.

 

[GemState]

the biggest reason i think America Is Good is that in the time period between Hiroshima and RDS-1 (first Soviet nuclear test) the richest country ever had the opportunity to take over the world with nukes and instead chose to set up various forms of international banking

The American/European order does actually take pains to make sure that most actors get some modicum of dignity, even its adversaries. There are issues re state overreach and culture but at least laws are fair and upheld uniformly.

 

[DR OSMAN]

the biggest reason i think America Is Good is that in the time period between Hiroshima and RDS-1 (first Soviet nuclear test) the richest country ever had the opportunity to take over the world with nukes and instead chose to set up various forms of international banking

The American/European order does actually take pains to make sure that most actors get some modicum of dignity, even its adversaries. There are issues re state overreach and culture but at least laws are fair and upheld uniformly.

The critique u hear of the west usually is the 'ppl r bad' but they misconstrue that to mean the system is bad. The system can be good while the ppl are fallin short of it. That's a huge difference we must take into account.

 

[Nomadic lord]

Why don't we as Somalis who know the system is good, implement it and master it and show them how it's done, then sit from the sideline critiquing the west for fallin short of it? remember it's an 'aspiration, value, morality' guideline, anyone can come along and show us how to master it and then join the 'beacon of light' in the world. Remember u said the SYSTEM IS GOOD but only the PPL r bad? that's fine i acknowledge that, why don't we take the system and master it.

While it is true that the West's system can be a positive force for the world, it is also important to note that it is not a one-size-fits-all solution for every country and culture. Every country and culture has its own unique history, values, and challenges, and attempting to simply copy and paste Western systems without taking these factors into account can result in significant unintended consequences. It is important to find solutions that are tailored specifically to each country's needs, rather than simply trying to emulate the West without fully understanding the implications.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GemState I honestly think Islam fell when they started to violate freedom-equality-justice of the people becuz these are 'inherited from god' not to be interfered with by states but 'protected' only. There is hadiths where Ali says he sees the world as as two spheres 'brothers in faith and brothers in humanity' so he was well aware humans have inalienable rights

 

[DR OSMAN]

Here it is @GemState

Human right is grounded in equality.

 

[mahamdov]

The kindest and most humane people live in the West The people who say that the West is evil are those who say that Africa is poor because of colonialism, even though it ended 60 years ago
The West is humanity, it is innovation, it is science, it is peacemaker God save the West

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GemState When god created adam, he said YOUR FREE, then u have silly somalis using the state to interfere/regulate/or strip that freedom. I doubt that type of society will survive in the long run, it will doom mark my word. I am no fan of ethnic or religious rights given to ppl, waxaa na deeqo ibnal adam rights, it covers all, not 'certain identities'

 

[DR OSMAN]

PPL usually know whats good and then what to enforce that on others by stripping away their freedom or free will and free choices. Let them make their own choices n free will even if u don't like it, let them experience life thru their own free will so their no blame on U or the State.

Most ppl come to faith after they seen what life is like without it, but they need to 'experience' it first. Don't regulate/interfere with their choices even if u don't like it or agree, respect it on the grounds god gave them that ability and u shouldn't interfere. Lakin ma yeelayo dadka inay soo gubtan ama kufan' waa madness even god allow adam to make mistakes.

 

[Based]

The kindest and most humane people live in the West. The West is humanity, it is innovation, it is science, it is peacemaker God save the West

The dickeating is crazy wallahi

 

[DR OSMAN]

The dickeating is crazy wallahi
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Well critique it bro. Is the ppl bad or the system? u guys dont want us to judge islam as bad by the actions of muslim, yet u want to judge west system by its ppl action. U simply owned bro. Its the best system in the world and the closest system to the TRUE GOD. The god u follow is a cult from 'wahabiya' desert not the god of the worlds. We know ur god cant be the true one cuz ur system violates adams inheritance freedom, it must be god from wahabiya desert.

 

[Based]

Well critique it bro. Is the ppl bad or the system? u guys dont want us to judge islam as bad by the actions of muslim, yet u want to judge west system by its ppl action. U simply owned bro. Its the best system in the world and the closest system to the TRUE GOD. The god u follow is a cult from 'wahabiya' desert not the god of the worlds. We know ur god cant be the true one cuz ur system violates adams inheritance freedom, it must be god from wahabiya desert.

Puntland, the country within a country you love so much, is ran top to bottom by Muslims who run an Islamic system. Does this waver your love for your nation, Ditoore?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Puntland, the country within a country you love so much, is ran top to bottom by Muslims who run an Islamic system. Does this waver your love for your nation, Ditoore?

Bro Islam in Somalia is third world, they say alcohol is bad but do nothing when they openly steal poor ppl money. Why don't they crack down public theft n corruption like they do with alcohol? that's far worse crime as it effects the whole ppl where-as alcohol affects only that person plus its their choice.

What sort of islam is raising kids in looted properties bro PLUS THEY EVEN PRAY IN THERE. Bro their islam cant be the god of the world or the god of adam, hell no cause they violate people free will, its an islam meel kale looga keenay.

Wat sort of Islam is that? where theft n corruption is ok, but drinking alcohol is bad? at least the alcohol drinker harms himself not others, plus he can harm himself n make mistakes just like adam was allowed too.

I love my state irrespective thats why I am warning them u dummy, way khaldami karan but its arrogance when u dont correct it. I want a society where free will is protected where ppl can be tested truly not 'forced' becuz their no test in 'force'. I want those u like or dont like have the same right thats it.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

The west was able to introduce and cultivate the industrial revolution that took their economy to new heights and left the rest of the world in the dust. I wish the Muslims were the first to do that otherwise we wouldn’t have to play catch up and play the rules the western world set upon us ( UN, g7)

 

[NordicSomali]

The same people who hate the west also love living in the west, that tells you everything.