Is Racism Structural, Social, Or Both?

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In the west I noticed their is two types of racism structural(economic, legal system, schools) and social. They put blacks and other minorities(immigrants) into low socio-economic areas, then the school system which is the way out, is low quality due to the area being low quality, it's even worse in America where local taxes fund school, so if your from a poor area, your school will be poor too. Plus the colleges are so expensive which is another blow to keep them out, U can't get out of that cycle as your parents don't have the funds due to the socio-economic area. I noticed they resort to sports becuz that is not corruptable.

Plus a low socio economic area will create a common cause and attitude to life like you see with blacks who don't vote differently, who all think the same and then this leads to ppl judging them all as the same and not different, even tho genetically gifted(untaught) kids exist they will not seek to succeed becuz it might cause discrimination to themselves from their own community or they will be picked on, so they follow the crowd.

It's well known generational wealth hasn't been handed down to blacks due to slavery or even new migrants who lived or enter the west, they will start at the bottom. Starting at the bottom is fine but when that bottom has no way out due to lack of structural investment such as school funding or well paying jobs in their local area, this is a cycle and can be said it's systemic only and intentional. This then leads to the legal system prosecuting hard what are crimes of necessity(survival), u can't ask someone not to pursue their survival interest. I noticed this trend in america where the prison is full of blacks who r in there mainly for survival purposes(drug dealing, robbery, gang wars to stop threats to their income stream, etc).

While whites who far more severe crimes(fraud, govt tax robbery) are re-classed as different nice sounding names even tho the effect(billions or millions) isn't in the equation but some kid who robs a liquor store is given 200 years. The legal system has been designed to keep whites out of it, if a trend is seen in white community, they conveniently create a nice political sounding name and water it down socially and prosecute gently.

If we want to cure racism on both sides, we need to not put ppl into same socio-economic area as this creates a cause for them. The solution is to separate them, let them have access to good schools and jobs and they will no longer need race and will think for their own personal interest, not turn on whites as that's what I assume they think will happen. It will help their country progress even further as they contribute to it's success. Who would destroy it, no-1 as all ppl see benefit to it. That's why I suspect the west hasn't progressed faster then it could as it's using a 'limited' pool of talents(whites) and the genetically(untaught) or smart(taught) ppl r becoming smaller and smaller and the brain-drain is becoming more evident.

To eliminate colorism or ethnic divisions, the solution I provided is mandatory. I grew up in a time when black migrants were tiny, we didn't live in the low socio economic area but were neighbors, friends, students, worked with whites.

Then came the great influx of new blacks and they all started to neighbor each other, hang around each other at schools, listen to the american black struggle and adopted it to themselves here and the same effect of prejudice began as ppl judge your all the same irrespective of your time of arrival and different model that existed. This is also observable with the muslim or arab community doing the same thing.
 

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It's not a 1 sided story racism as ppl on both sides attempt to make it. Whites have their flaws and so black or other migrants. Stop congregating among yourselves and living in enclaves and according to your past country while living in the west, u left that place for a better life, it also makes ur kids start forming group mentality like american blacks and conflicting with others and not keeping ur head down and making the most of your life.

Whites structural racism and its social level racism is linked to that so it requires all to acknowledge their faults. Every immigrant group who came to australia had problems with whites, so their has to be acknowledgement on their part their is some soul searching whites need to do, put your greviances down on the table not conceal it or deny it, tell us.
 

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As far as I am concerned when their is a conflict any type of conflict their is 'two' sides to that coin, not 1. Both sides need to acknowledge that before negiotating a solution or else it will lead to back n forth and no solution and returning to the same conflict lines.

Whites want a 'model minority' keep ya head down and don't cause to much disturbance This model is suitable to cultures who lack individualism and highly structured like a military like chinese or east asians. They r culturally engineered to respect authority and be given orders.

This type of culture doesn't exist in many black cultures as individualism is very much embedded into their cultures, they all have something to 'say' in every thing, that's probably why the leaders of the continent are struggling to create a 'functional social team' for them.

Even in Somali culture most businesses are 'solely owned' they don't like 'cooperative models', even when they come to the west most prefer taxi driving as it's a 'solely' run job rather then work in a place of 'lots of heirachal structure'. That's why chinese do well in studying, work, etc as they need to be 'told n instructucted' as their culture embeds that into them, their not very gifted outside that and why u will never find chinese inventor or someone contributing a change or progress to any field.

We all have pros/cons/flaws and we need to put this on the table and work thru how we can co-exist, the goal is 'co-exist' to achieve what we all want 'happy n successful lives'
 

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No such thing. Just poor people of all hue & complexion struggling, and misdiagnoses of their ills. Once one has conquered poverty, then one is the master of one's domain, where ethnicity absolutism exists not. Till then, the poor shall be continue moaning to oblivion.

Poor leads to crime of survival then the legal system sees a trend rising n prosecutes harshly. I've studied the prison system, most ppl r in there for financial survival reasons. Lack of govt investment in poor areas(no well payin jobs or schools) is a big factor ur not seeing that leads to poverty.
 
A valid point, but it is a symptom, no? What is the root cause?
In the case of America there has been a lot of sabotage from the ruling white over representive GOP. Assassinations of ppl like Malcolm x Martin Luther and Fred Hampton

even when minorities specifically African Americans would try to get together and create their own Wall Street they were sabotaged by the government
 

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A valid point, but it is a symptom, no? What is the root cause?

I think it's not black n white but a mix of factors involved, sequences, cause n effect.

1. Lack of govt investment in poor areas. No human capital emerging
2. Schools n funding model leading to not quality teachers. Teachers need to teach reflecting their environment and cultural norms. Put a basketball court in the ghetto, a key infrastructure and they succeed(genetically) or taught(coaches, mentors). Not all kids r gifted(untaught), some shine with the right mentors. The school infrastructure quality is critical for human capital like a basketball court is critical for sports people.
3. Crime is then the norm as ppl don't have the skills to get good payin jobs and survive day-to-day only, no college trust fund, etc. Legal system responds then with a huge crack-down
4. Social attitudes start to emerge about that community and prejudice(prejudgment)

This then cycles leading to a 'cultural cause' for poor people on racial, religious lines as their all 'lumped' together on physical apperance or religious background.

It eventually leads to the 'us vs them' mentality further adding fuel to the conflict, while the poor lost soul either genetically gifted or smart(educated ones) get lost in the whole mix on both sides not knowing where to stand leading to all sorts of depression, self loathing, isolation, social anxiety, etc.
 
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I study kids a-lot as the diversity of 'genetically' gifted emerges from there, u see it early on in their behaviours, actions, and u know it's genetic. Some thrive later tho with education and mentoring, both combined is potent mix of success in my view or both working to each other advantages can create something very beautiful for society.
 
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Again, those are all true, but are symptoms.
Whose responsibility is it to remedy the socio-economic, and cultures ills, for example of AA community? Themselves. What are they doing about it? Nigh to naught. Who is being blamed? Others including recent immigrants, of dark hue mind you, who are excelling. Bugger that shite, mate. Put your poor house in order (not your personally), and keep your nose clean.
 

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Again, those are all true, but are symptoms.
Whose responsibility is it to remedy the socio-economic, and cultures ills, for example of AA community? Themselves. What are they doing about it? Nigh to naught. Who is being blamed? Others including recent immigrants, of dark hue mind you, who are excelling. Bugger that shite, mate. Put your poor house in order (not your personally), and keep your nose clean.

Well with ur logic your asking ppl succeed in basketball, without actually placing basketball court n quality school infrastructure in there for them to succeed. Their no logic in that
 

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Again, those are all true, but are symptoms.
Whose responsibility is it to remedy the socio-economic, and cultures ills, for example of AA community? Themselves. What are they doing about it? Nigh to naught. Who is being blamed? Others including recent immigrants, of dark hue mind you, who are excelling. Bugger that shite, mate. Put your poor house in order (not your personally), and keep your nose clean.

The other problem is 'capitalism' on higher education it's not realistically geared towards poor people, but towards the middle(who have to save in trust funds). The effect dark hue ppl have in america on all blacks in the west is also a huge factor to consider, as other whites will do what america does leading to a global black is poor, dumb, violent 'image', when u have to deal with that socially, most rational people just give up
 
Well with ur logic your asking ppl succeed in basketball, without actually placing basketball court n quality school infrastructure in there for them to succeed. Their no logic in that
To the contrary. When one helps oneself, help comes, and others chip in, but one must show commitment, and willingness in hard work, and bettering of oneself.

Have you visited any of the AA neighbourhoods in the US from the deep South to the MidWest?

The same applies to poor people of European extraction in Cleveland (OH), Camden (MN), Louisville (KY) etc.
 
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To the contrary. When one helps oneself, help comes, and others chip in, but one must show committment, and willingness in hard work, and bettering of oneself.

How do u work hard n better yourself if u don't have school for kids that r evidence based to work for that community? keyword is 'evidence based', if it's not producing positiv results, it can't be all the students are wrong. A basketball player needs an effective mentor n coach, without it, they won't succeed either. I think ur letting ur emotions on blacks in america delude your reason n intellect
 

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To the contrary. When one helps oneself, help comes, and others chip in, but one must show committment, and willingness in hard work, and bettering of oneself.

Does the values in the house need to change, of course, but so does govt investment in their areas, don't ask ppl to work hard n succeed, when their surrounded by no infrastructure that supports that, your being an idiot n showing you just support the white narrative only cuz of their 'success n white', I grew up with these ppl and know they have just as many faults that blacks have, u probably won't exposed to them as young kid, neighbors, work, etc.

Most of the whites in positions are not 'fit' for their role but got it thru 'not working hard' but 'cronyism', if u only worked in large organizations, u wud see how abysmall it is
 
How do u work hard n better yourself if u don't have school for kids that r evidence based to work for that community? keyword is 'evidence based', if it's not producing positiv results, it can't be all the students are wrong. A basketball player needs an effective mentor n coach, without it, they won't succeed either. I think ur letting ur emotions on blacks in america delude your reason n intellect
You do with what mere resources at your disposal, just like any other immigrant community i.e. Hmong, Somalis etc.
 
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