Is Puntland bigger than Somaliland?

[nanat]

None of this matters. We are bigger than Singapore as a whole nation but a waste of space.

I agree sxb, the things we care about are outdated for centuries.
Clan politics & warfare was last seen in 1700 in tve rest of the world.
30 million people in 2023 must understand that there's way more important things to waste time on than memorising & fighting over the names of partially fabricated Abtirsi.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

I agree sxb, the things we care about are outdated for centuries.
Clan politics & warfare was last seen in 1700 in tve rest of the world.
30 million people in 2023 must understand that there's way more important things to waste time on than memorising & fighting over the names of partially fabricated Abtirsi.

Wallahi that’s exactly what I’m saying. Allah ya barik to you. Many of these tribalists and FKD ku nool niggas are shakhsiyaad liita. How can you brag about offspring and land when Allah gives both with no input. It’s like bragging about the rain in your land when you have zero control over it.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

What you can control is your plans, and what you do personally for the ummah. Offspring is up to Allah. If there was any Langaab in terms of qabiil Abu Bakar RA would be the first. If there is any langaab in terms of offspring Nabi Muhammad (SAW) would be the first.

 

[Yonis]

Puntland's control of territory as of March 2023 is Bari (85,000km2) + Nugaal + Mudug + Eastern Sanaag + Eastern Sool (Gambadhe and everything east).

Even if you remove the 'disputed territory' from PL, it's still larger than SL

 

[Yonis]

Galmudug is a nascent state beginning to flex its muscles north. The trajectory is clear. We will bring in other clans in Mudug.

Towfiiq joined PL, Dinowda joined PL, Saaxo joined PL. Seems like the expansion is happening in the other direction

 

[FBIsomalia]

Towfiiq joined PL, Dinowda joined PL, Saaxo joined PL. Seems like the expansion is happening in the other direction

You forget Hobyo . Our army will not leave village.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Nascent state for 17 years.

Galmudug without Cayr wasn’t a serious state. Had no capital, lacking the biggest sub clan in Galmudug and only controlled a third of GM’s territories today.

We are coming now

 

[hinters]

I don't think so, but it depends on whos claims you consider, if you consider puntland's claims to SSC then yes they're bigger but if you view Somaliland's colonial claims as valid then they're bigger.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I agree sxb, the things we care about are outdated for centuries.
Clan politics & warfare was last seen in 1700 in tve rest of the world.
30 million people in 2023 must understand that there's way more important things to waste time on than memorising & fighting over the names of partially fabricated Abtirsi.

I doubt they wud have the intelligence to fabricate that, plus every somali knows his father, he wont create a fake one as ppl around him will call him 'wecel' which is serious insult in their culture, only ppl that don't know their roots are usually 'slaves' so that would be another insult to them. Plus i doubt they wud 'attach' to a father like an 'agoon' or 'slave' as that wud be humliating for them, i highly doubt it bro.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@nanat i doubt any somali lived in this land as true natives, as their is older groups who show older cultures such as hunter/gathering(eyle), these type of cultures must not of migrated and are originals as they reflect the 'bushmen' culture, the rest are different migration waves I suspect. It will be interesting to see their language if it has 'clicks n clacks' if it doesn't then they must be from 'pre-neolithic' period where lots of this was developed at the time of the 'aborigines' left since they have modern language also.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I'll like to study an eyle language and culture, if they had 'pre-cushitic' tongue, if they didn't, then their just cushites who already knew neolithic 'cultures' such as livestock, farming, metal tips on spears proves 'metal culture' and for some reason disregarded it for hunting/gathering, possibly contact with an earlier hunter/gathering group. Or it cud be they were 'hunter/gatherers' who adopted 'cushite' culture thru contact.

But no archaelogy/anthropology/linguists is done in somalia, it's an interesting field im suprised why somalis dont study it besides 'isaaq chick'. I mean we still run around with colonial psuedo-science 'census' when no somali elderly reports ever being censused, the census always shows rounded numbers which is impossible, no govt in somalia even uses it as a source and pathetic colonial 'hear say' reports

 

[DR OSMAN]

We need to look for 'writing' evidences not recent time period(middle ages like adal or later periods such as far wadaad, far cismaniya), we need to look for ancient 'writing' becuz we are squeezed in between ethiopia who has 'far ge'ez' and 'yemen so' it's highly unlikely their was no cross culture contact or it wasn't exported or no-one responded too developing a script. We know the 'ancient kushites' in sudan had writing but it was sacked and burned down, wat happen after that event for cushite cultures needs experts to go digging in south egypt-north sudan-beja-oromo-anfar-somalia-north kenya.

I think south egypt-north sudan is where cushite culture became advanced but it's homeland origins was most likely somewhere in the horn, but when it was sacked, what happened to thoses languages will be interesting to go learn.

 

[Bari🐍]

No. PL’s official borders

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You are great liar! Astaghfirullah pray for lying. Fake Galmudug. Fake Hirshabelle. Fake Banaadir. Fake Somaliland.

 

[Pocket Rockets]

If u want to make the border a dispute, that’s fine. What is not a dispute is that Harti population is bigger than Isaaq.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Im just confused with ancient kush and nubia, they argue it was a mixed ethiopian/nubian culture, but they look very nilotic the ancient nubians and ancient punt was painted similar to ancient egyptians of the early period. It's a confusing topic, im getting a head-ache. Nilotic means the river nile culture ppl, I do see some physical resemblance in bone structure, clannism, with south sudan etc so it might hold some truth.

 

[Dima&Damo]

Im just confused with ancient kush and nubia, they argue it was a mixed ethiopian/nubian culture, but they look very nilotic the ancient nubians and ancient punt was painted similar to ancient egyptians of the early period. It's a confusing topic, im getting a head-ache. Nilotic means the river nile culture ppl, I do see some physical resemblance in bone structure, clannism, with south sudan etc so it might hold some truth.

Thought on the saudi-iran deal brokered by china

 

[DR OSMAN]

Thought on the saudi-iran deal brokered by china

Im suprised china is getting involved in politics, a big shift from it's traditional 'economic/trade only' approach with the world, as that's all I ever see them do anywhere outside china, their definitely not a colonial culture and I hope they don't adopt the west culture in that as it will hurt their 'descendants' like the west is seeing now cuz ppl percieve chinese totally neutral historically and now. China must protect it's ppl future and dont pass onto them a world that all starts to hate them

 

[Gaban]

Galmudug without Cayr wasn’t a serious state. Had no capital, lacking the biggest sub clan in Galmudug and only controlled a third of GM’s territories today.

We are coming now

xaafada MM(Majeerteen mall) former suusacley, coming soon- Shah Wah

Majeerteen would normally call on all harti(actively admitted), Darbi daarood, Mareexaan to always defend Gaalkacyo from just Sacad(Mostly hilowle and Nimcaale) imagine them trying to face a United HG front in Gaalkacyo where Cayr, Saleebaan and Saruur, our Smallest jufo, just walked in with 30 teknkikos into GM just the other day and plan on bringing more hub from Xamar. PL does not want to face the GM of today that isn't limited to just Sacad and has the folds of HG in it, it is in their best interest.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Neero foreign policy comes down to short/long term interests, mutual benefits(as this winner/loser mentality' doesn't bring about 'security n long term stability' and 'risk appetite' based on that countries proven history not to flip flop and hold it's pacts, agreements.

But regional powers n global powers also add 'influence' politically/socially to shape targetted countries in the 'image' they want, whether it's their own image or possibly a 'destructive' image as stoking rebellions on an existing system irrespective of analysing how that system was founded(violence or thru a social contract) whether it's a theocracy, military rule, kingdoms, constitution, democracy comes much later. Most countries fall into ethno nationalism, kingdoms, theocracy, democracies. The method to found those states must always be 'examined' before any policy is taken not the actual system in place.

 

[Gaban]

Shit thinking of it, even HG(fiqishini) fought with Dhulos. Beeel aysan afka la gelin ma jiro, if they didn't direct war they did indirect(sl n pl wars) root back to aideed-ina salad govt. I wish somalis just had a 'hg haloo heeshiyo' pact, rather then let them stoke conflict between all of us or spread their madness projects(warlordism, looting, terrorism, academic moryans haji engris, social media thugs alasow) they found it all, and it just 'spreads' to other somali clan. I know this clan strategy is to make us like 'HG' chaotic

Fiqishin vs Dhulbahante oo dhan (that are relying on fiqishin to defend them from iidoor today) today fiqishini is ku xigeen of Laascaanood by xoog. from being a marti clan centuries ago to breaking bread with major clans in the region.