Is it really difficult building a state?

Would you give up your regional or clan ambitions for an accountable Somali state?


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Why is it so difficult for Somalis to form a state? Is it really rocket science? I know Qabiil causes us to mistrust each other, but is it really that difficult to build a state and to put in place balances and checks in order to prevent nepotism and transgressions?

We don’t have an Islamic system and at the same time we claim that we are following the western democratic form of system. But are we really? It feels like we are neither here or there. That our current system is qabiil politics in the guise of democracy . If we put aside our differences, and came with a firm decision to build our country and unite as a people couldn’t we have a bigger vision? Instead of looking inwards and always thinking about my clan or my region against others we would have a lofty dream and become a dignified people.

Some ideas to put this in place, and if you have any ideas or improvements necessary to build a function state then feel free to add your thoughts.

1) Abolition of the 4.5 government. The establishment of political parties, with written agendas and visions for Somalis as a whole. It may be based on qabiil in the beginning, but in quick time most parties will realise that they have to work together with other qabiils in order to get a clear chance of winning presidential elections. We would see a natural evolution of politics being driven based by national and Islamic brotherhood.

2) 1 man 1 vote throughout the country. From Zeila to to Ras Kamboni. The people will realise that they have a say in who runs their country, doesn’t matter what your tribe is or where you’re from in Somalia. You have elected your president and government. Another benefit is that those elected will enact the will of the people since they need their votes in the future to stay in power. As Mungaab said recently as a wake up call to the people ,”why are those in power going to do anything for the shacab when we aren’t even elected by them”. We need to make the shacabs voice count and our politicians accountable !

3) The abolishment of all federal states. Instead replacing them with local governors and local maamuls. No big regional states. For example, splitting Somaliland into three Awdal, Togdheer, Waqooyi Bari, Puntland into two Bari iyo nugaal. Galmudg into two Galguduud iyo Mudug,Hirshabelle into Hiraan and Shabelle Dhexe separately ,Jubbaland into two Jubba dhexe iyo Jubba hoose. Let each smaller region elect their own governor and local councils with local elections who govern their own local affairs but not national or foreign policies. Also a must is placing SNA army in every corner of Somalia who aren’t clan affiliated but a mix of all clans loyal to the Somali state and not regional states or tribes.

3) Anti corruption force. Corruption is the biggest problem in Somali governance and politics. It is a must we build a neutral and transparent anti corruption and anti nepotism unit. Every penny that enters the government coffers and every expenditure should be accounted for. Also every position in government should be given on merit, looking at experience and education, not clan or family ties. And finally any government official with dual citizenship, found to embezzle funds/take bribes or has been found to have foreign funding should be banned from having any governmental position.

4) National Army free of politics and whose sole aim is the protection of the State! Just look at Turkey, Egypt or many states throughout history. The military should become the protectors of the state, and not regions or clans.

5) Mass reeducation. We have lived for the past 40+ years viewing each other as enemies. Our parents generation and our generation have only been ingrained with ‘ My qabiil is the only one I trust, Qabiil X or Y is our enemy, our regional state is the best we don’t need a Somali state.’

All school books throughout the country should reeducate Somalis about statehood, unity and brotherhood. There should be a mass media drive, and workshops and conferences held throughout the country. Then hopefully the next generation will carry the torch and dream of building and preserving a home for the Somali people.
 
Also forgot to add Law and order.

A revamped Justice system - A justice system in which the law is the same for everyone. No clan, position, wealth, should influence the judicial procedures.
 
You can't change anything in this generation. Try to change the children.

The children are already indoctrinated. It’s a vicious cycle that won’t end until a national movement or national state apparatus sweeps away this primitive thinking.

How long are we going to live like this? 35 years after the fall of the Sayid Barre government, everyone is still boasting and talking about their qabiil or regional state. What is their to faan about? We rebelled against Sayid Barre, helped our enemies and became traitors to the Somali state and then split along Qabiil lines with no solution in sight.

Check the Somali migrants that are coming to Europe or America. They’re from all regions of Somalia. Somaliland, Puntland, Galmudug, Xamar etc. 35 years after the collapse of the Somali state and the first wave of refugees, our youth are still fleeing this failed state called Somalia no matter which region they hail from.
 
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I notice everytime the failiure of Somalia becomes too obvious they think about Somaliland to relieve the pressure.

Somaliland reestablished sovereignty in 1991 and immediately built a government where it stood before.

Mogadishu has new owners that don't want one. It's not that complicated.
Somali state collapsed when Mogadishu got new rulers and that's not somethign you can fix without changing the rulers of Mogadishu until then enjoy failed state.

It's important to point out once state collapses you can't fix it. There's no way to fix it. Regime change is possible but fixing collapsed state has never been done.
 
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Why is it so difficult for Somalis to form a state?
It isn't. Somaliland and Puntland were formed not long after the original government collapsed and the ICU briefly took hold in the south.

If you are talking about the FGS, that is quite literally a foreign backed government that stemmed from an illegal invasion. Even 4.5 originated outside of Somalia and prior to 2012, Somalia was sanctioned heavily by the international community. The lengthy political dysfunction is not a sign that Somalis are incapable of forming a state but rather it was artificial constraints from outsiders that prevented full state rebuilding from happening.
 
The children are already indoctrinated. It’s a vicious cycle that won’t end until a national movement or national state apparatus sweeps away this primitive thinking.

How long are we going to live like this? 35 years after the fall of the Sayid Barre government, everyone is still boasting and talking about their qabiil or regional state. What is their to faan about? We rebelled against Sayid Barre, helped our enemies and became traitors to the Somali state and then split along Qabiil lines with no solution in sight.

Check the Somali migrants that are coming to Europe or America. They’re from all regions of Somalia. Somaliland, Puntland, Galmudug, Xamar etc. 35 years after the collapse of the Somali state and the first wave of refugees, our youth are still fleeing this failed state called Somalia no matter which region they hail from.
You overgeneralise too much, people aren’t fleeing PL or SL en masse and not returning, that’s only happening in the south.
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I notice everytime the failiure of Somalia becomes too obvious they think about Somaliland to relieve the pressure.

Somaliland reestablished sovereignty in 1991 and immediately built a government where it stood before.

Mogadishu has new owners that don't want one. It's not that complicated.
Somali state collapsed when Mogadishu got new rulers and that's not somethign you can fix without changing the rulers of Mogadishu until then enjoy failed state.

It's important to point out once state collapses you can't fix it. There's no way to fix it. Regime change is possible but fixing collapsed state has never been done.
That’s a good point tbf. Only through reconciliation and agreement we can come together again, instead of trying to forcefully recreate a collapsed state without addressing the issues that caused its collapse.

It isn't. Somaliland and Puntland were formed not long after the original government collapsed and the ICU briefly took hold in the south.

If you are talking about the FGS, that is quite literally a foreign backed government that stemmed from an illegal invasion. Even 4.5 originated outside of Somalia and prior to 2012, Somalia was sanctioned heavily by the international community. The lengthy political dysfunction is not a sign that Somalis are incapable of forming a state but rather it was artificial constraints from outsiders that prevented full state rebuilding from happening.

I understand bro but are we going to stay like this until foreigners leave? The situation in the south and the prevention of full state rebuilding is going to keep the whole of Somalia under ransom? So why shouldn’t regional states take further advantage of this power vacuum and gain full independence and autonomy? There needs to be a solution asap, we can’t continue like this…

You overgeneralise too much, people aren’t fleeing PL or SL en masse and not returning, that’s only happening in the south.
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I’m not talking about returning. I’m talking about tahriib. I don’t know about Puntland fully but I’ve seen a lot of newcomers from Puntland who come to Europe for a better life. And when I was in Hargeisa and Burco I witnessed first hand most of the youngsters talking about wanting to tahriib and leaving SL since they saw no economic future for them there. Different regions may have different degree of stability, but economically Somalia is an impoverished nation and most want to tahriib if given the chance.
 
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You overgeneralise too much, people aren’t fleeing PL or SL en masse and not returning, that’s only happening in the south.
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That was back in the day. Those acquaintances you speak about were probably born and raised in the diaspora and have no incentive to go back. Most people tahriibing now are people from waqooyi
 
Opening an interesting thread like this that actually requires genuine, honest answers just to see the usual annoying trolling users responding

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It’s part of the game Kkkk. Sxb tbh waan daalay not because of what people say or think on a forum but because of the state of our nation and the waste of our potential. I see people from other countries just coming to the west to get a prestigious Masters and brush up on their English skills and then go back home to benefit their countries i.e South Korea, Turkey, China. I just get jealous man.

Having your own country, putting your skill, life and sweat into it. Having a home where your kids and their future generations can flourish. Shouldn’t that be the goal for us all?

We could all be generals, navy guards, ministers, MPs, public office workers, teachers, engineers, scientists, engineers who advance our country and build a great nation. Instead of living a half life of “others” in the diaspora….
 
That’s a good point tbf. Only through reconciliation and agreement we can come together again, instead of trying to forcefully recreate a collapsed state without addressing the issues that caused its collapse.



I understand bro but are we going to stay like this until foreigners leave? The situation in the south and the prevention of full state rebuilding is going to keep the whole of Somalia under ransom? So why shouldn’t regional states take further advantage of this power vacuum and gain full independence and autonomy? There needs to be a solution asap, we can’t continue like this…



I’m not talking about returning. I’m talking about tahriib. I don’t know about Puntland fully but I’ve seen a lot of newcomers from Puntland who come to Europe for a better life. And when I was in Hargeisa and Burco I witnessed first hand most of the youngsters talking about wanting to tahriib and leaving SL since they saw no economic future for them there. Different regions may have different degree of stability, but economically Somalia is an impoverished nation and most want to tahriib if given the chance.
We’re established, most puntlander diaspora have been here a long time, part of the first wave and their descendants. The newer or continuous trickle of immigrants is coming from SL and other Somali lands.
 

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