Is A Jubaland Peace Deal Possible? Only If There is Clan Will

[Bowda-dheer]

JL solution is to give D&M vice president. It's unfair for Daarood to have both president and VP . We D&M have the capital Buaale which is majority Dabarre Digil. We deserve more representation in the state as well as other samaale clans.

If D&M and Samaale clans don't get the representation they deserve and JL continues to be Darod dominated the state will not be liberated nor will it function. Also other .5 clans which have huge population like mushunguli and shambara madow clans need more representation in the state. Only then will it be stable.

There’s no elaay in buale and they have never held any office in buale. What we need is actually more xildhibano for OG clans like makahiil who are very numerous in towns like bardaalr and ufurow. We are not content with xildhibano for yed aato and ceelbarde we need more rights in kg. We liberated and kicked the elay that was killing DM people hundred years ago so if wasn’t for OG your ass would be a slave for another elaay.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

Bajuni Islands? When did y'all cross the ocean??!! kkk

Are y'all fishermen too?

They have been settling on the islands since the 90s. The Absame and bajuni on the islands have formed great relationship. They personally welcomed the Absame as the island was drying up because most of them moved to mombasa for better opportunity. They have xoolo and eat fish too lol.

 

[mohamedismail]

Did u guys share parliament based on last official borders/districts of 91, like Puntland? if so how many districts are in SW, 3 states? what is the total MP count for parliament, what is each district portion, is it under a common rule untill a census is done each district gets 3 mps or did u boost some degmos out of 'corruption' mind u corruption means not following a 'uniform rule' for all.

I'm not entirely sure on how it is shared. But the total degmos is 18 and the state has 77 mps.

 

[mohamedismail]

There’s no elaay in buale and they have never held any office in buale. What we need is actually more xildhibano for OG clans like makahiil who are very numerous in towns like bardaalr and ufurow. We are not content with xildhibano for yed aato and ceelbarde we need more rights in kg. We liberated and kicked the elay that was killing DM people hundred years ago so if wasn’t for OG your ass would be a slave for another elaay.

You are comparing land we own and you who are sheegad in SWS. You are a Leysaan or Luwaay sheegad in SWS while I have cities and tuulos in JL.

 

[mohamedismail]

Are you sure?

Middle Jubba have plenty of clans and I do know that non-Daroods make up a significant portion of the population. But I'm not sure if you're majority in Gedo, unless the eastern side of the river have a greater population than the western side.

Eastern Gedo and Eastern middle jubba is 70% of the gobol. And it is majority beesha Reewin.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

You are comparing land we own and you who are sheegad in SWS. You are a Leysaan or Luwaay sheegad in SWS while I have cities and tuulos in JL.

Name me one tuulo you bantu elaay? There’s not a single elaay tuulo if you cross the juba river in to mainland jubaland. You have no history in jubaland. The whole elaay are confederation so there’s no real raxanwyn tbh sheegad kulaha.

 

[GaradShabeel]

They have been settling on the islands since the 90s. The Absame and bajuni on the islands have formed great relationship. They personally welcomed the Absame as the island was drying up because most of them moved to mombasa for better opportunity. They have xoolo and eat fish too lol.

Interesting. Out of all FMS, I think JL have most islands, so there's lot of potentials there too.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

Eastern Gedo and Eastern middle jubba is 70% of the gobol. And it is majority beesha Reewin.

You have oromo like culture sxb that’s why when I see daroods kids bootyckapping for elaay I get mad. Won’t be long before you claim puntland too. That red line divides elaay and darood. To the right is elaay to the left is daarood any elaay that crosses the river was whipped and I swear am not even lying. You make zero percent anything left of that red line which is 98% of jubaland. Now you oromo thieving Elaay wanna cry about Ogaden stealing land from you? We conquered those lands from gaalo madoow when your elaay ass was begging and slaving each other in baydhabo and buurhakaba. You claim to be leysaan which was a former slave of the elaay kingdom. You’re most like the bantuweyne of the kingdom.

 

[DR OSMAN]

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You have oromo like culture sxb that’s why when I see daroods kids bootyckapping for elaay I get mad. Won’t be long before you claim puntland too. That red line divides elaay and darood. To the right is elaay to the left is daarood any elaay that crosses the river was whipped and I swear am not even lying. You make zero percent anything left of that red line which is 98% of jubaland. Now you oromo thieving Elaay wanna cry about Ogaden stealing land from you? We conquered those lands from gaalo madoow when your elaay ass was begging and slaving each other in baydhabo and buurhakaba. You claim to be leysaan which was a former slave of the elaay kingdom. You’re most like the bantuweyne of the kingdom.

Isn't Rahan in old Somali mean 'crowd' and 'Wayn' means Large. A Large Crowd or Confederation. I've heard rumors when they abtirsi they know which Darod or Hawiye clan they go into. Northern tribal system wouldn't be advantageous anymore is what i suspect as they settled one area and needed to cooperate, something hawiyes can learn in Hamar or GM/HS, when the environment or land has zoned you in, u need to adopt a 'degaan' posture like old JL towns used too knowing each-other and cooperating as 'reer degmo' where degmo identity was superior to clan identity(even tho they kept their clan known but it was private)or even adopting a Rahan-wayn posture.

 

[mohamedismail]

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You have oromo like culture sxb that’s why when I see daroods kids bootyckapping for elaay I get mad. Won’t be long before you claim puntland too. That red line divides elaay and darood. To the right is elaay to the left is daarood any elaay that crosses the river was whipped and I swear am not even lying. You make zero percent anything left of that red line which is 98% of jubaland. Now you oromo thieving Elaay wanna cry about Ogaden stealing land from you? We conquered those lands from gaalo madoow when your elaay ass was begging and slaving each other in baydhabo and buurhakaba. You claim to be leysaan which was a former slave of the elaay kingdom. You’re most like the bantuweyne of the kingdom.

When I said Eastern jubba is majority of jubbalnd I didn't mean in terms of land mass I meant in terms of degmooyin and population.

eastern jubbaland degmos

1) Doolow
2) Luuq
3) Baardheere
4) Saakow
5) Buaale
6) jilib
7) Jamaame

Western jubbalnd degmos

1) kismaayo
2) Garbaharey
3) Ceel waaq
4) Baladxaawo
5) Af Madow
6) Badhaadhe

 

[mohamedismail]

Isn't Rahan in old Somali mean 'crowd' and 'Wayn' means Large. A Large Crowd or Confederation. I've heard rumors when they abtirsi they know which Darod or Hawiye clan they go into. Northern tribal system wouldn't be advantageous anymore is what i suspect as they settled one area and needed to cooperate, something hawiyes can learn in Hamar or GM/HS, when the environment or land has zoned you in, u need to adopt a 'degaan' posture like old JL towns used too knowing each-other and cooperating as 'reer degmo' where degmo identity was superior to clan identity(even tho they kept their clan known but it was private)or even adopting a Rahan-wayn posture.

This is totally wrong since we speak Maay not Maxaa tiri. Raxanweyn is a maxaa tiri word that we do not even use.

Our Maay name is Reewin meaning Reer wiin "Reer weyn". The name Raxanweyn came about after maxaa tiri clans came across us and named us "Raaxo weyn" due to the barwaaqo found out lands.

 

[Jaale Ugaas]

When I said Eastern jubba is majority of jubbalnd I didn't mean in terms of land mass I meant in terms of degmooyin and population.

eastern jubbaland degmos

1) Doolow
2) Luuq
3) Baardheere
4) Saakow
5) Buaale
6) jilib
7) Jamaame

Western jubbalnd degmos

1) kismaayo
2) Garbaharey
3) Ceel waaq
4) Baladxaawo
5) Af Madow
6) Badhaadhe

Dolow Mx Luuq Mx Bardheere Mx Saakow Mx Jaamame Mx

 

[Deejay]

Isn't Rahan in old Somali mean 'crowd' and 'Wayn' means Large. A Large Crowd or Confederation. I've heard rumors when they abtirsi they know which Darod or Hawiye clan they go into. Northern tribal system wouldn't be advantageous anymore is what i suspect as they settled one area and needed to cooperate, something hawiyes can learn in Hamar or GM/HS, when the environment or land has zoned you in, u need to adopt a 'degaan' posture like old JL towns used too knowing each-other and cooperating as 'reer degmo' where degmo identity was superior to clan identity(even tho they kept their clan known but t was private)or a Rahan-wayn posture.

I've read different tranlsations say that rahan(grindstone)+wayn(large) had to with their farming culture, others said that rahanwayne or reewiin as they call themselves meant the great herd (as in terms of the cattle they owned) and another third explanation that says that ree(family) + wiin(old).

The Hawiyes in xamar in the past who left the nomadic lifestyles just became benadiri (gibil madow), I think a few Dir and DM sub did the same. I think there was even a few Harti Darood that moved to xamar that also became gibil madow according to @Shimbiris. Although most of this happened prior to the colonization of Somalia.

 

[mohamedismail]

Dolow Mx Luuq Mx Bardheere Mx Saakow Mx Jaamame Mx

That's nonsense. Since when did Saakow have any Mx presence.

I've read different tranlsations say that rahan(grinstone)+wayn(large) had to with their farming culture, others said that rahanwayne or reewiin as they call themselves stood for the great herd(in terms of the cattle they owned and another third explanation that says that ree(family) + wiin(old).

The hawiyes in xamar in the past who left the nomadic lifestyles just became benadiri (gibil madow), I think a few dir and DM did the same. I think there was even a harti darood clan that moved to xamar that also became gibil madow according to @Shimbiris.

You hit the nail on the head. The great herd of cattle being where Reewin name originated is also something I've heard from Reewin elders.

 

[Jaale Ugaas]

That's nonsense. Since when did Saakow have any Mx presence.

You hit the nail on the head. The great herd of cattle being where Reewin name originated is also something I've heard from Reewin elders.

Saakow was always mx, just misinformation made it seem like raxanweyn live there when infact they don't\

 

[Bowda-dheer]

When I said Eastern jubba is majority of jubbalnd I didn't mean in terms of land mass I meant in terms of degmooyin and population.

eastern jubbaland degmos

1) Doolow
2) Luuq
3) Baardheere
4) Saakow
5) Buaale
6) jilib
7) Jamaame

Western jubbalnd degmos

1) kismaayo
2) Garbaharey
3) Ceel waaq
4) Baladxaawo
5) Af Madow
6) Badhaadhe

Buale is Ogaden town no single elaay owned neighborhood but there’s elaay there just like they’re everywhere inc mar and put land.

salagle Ogaden town and degmo

jilib: ogadeen jidwaaq bantuweyne and looboge

Saakow: Apart from saakow town which is divided into 4 neighborhoods 1 OG 2 gelidle 3 macalinweyne 4 xawaadle. There’s no single degmo one raxanweyn clan can say it’s mine you guys are pretty much idp everywhere.

 

[Deejay]

That's nonsense. Since when did Saakow have any Mx presence.

You hit the nail on the head. The great herd of cattle being where Reewin name originated is also something I've heard from Reewin elders.

Indeed people forget that DM aren't just farmers they own a lot of cattle and other livestock as well, they're agropastoralist i.e. they both farm and tend to their livestock.

 

[mohamedismail]

Saakow was always mx, just misinformation made it seem like raxanweyn live there when infact they don't\

Bro Saakow is geelidle and Macalinweyne dominated. Some Marehan might live there but they are tiny and insignificant.

 

[Jaale Ugaas]

Bro Saakow is geelidle and Macalinweyne dominated. Some Marehan might live there but they are tiny and insignificant.

Bro Saakow is Talxe with a small macalinweye community to tjhe south of the city in a tuulo which they call saakow. It's basically a fake suburb. This is an undisputed truth.'

 

[mohamedismail]

Buale is Ogaden town no single elaay owned neighborhood but there’s elaay there just like they’re everywhere inc mar and put land.

salagle Ogaden town and degmo

jilib: ogadeen jidwaaq bantuweyne and looboge

Saakow: Apart from saakow town which is divided into 4 neighborhoods 1 OG 2 gelidle 3 macalinweyne 4 xawaadle. There’s no single degmo one raxanweyn clan can say it’s mine you guys are pretty much idp everywhere.

You are forgetting the vast number of tuulos. Buaale town is majority Raxanweyn. The tuulos leading all the way to diinsoor are Dabarre dominated.

Saakow is majority Raxanweyn and between Saakow and Baardheere is full of raxanweyn tuulos.