Industrial Policy is the Only Thing that Saves a Nation

[Deng Xiaobling]

Read the title 100 times over.

Business never saved a nation. Your local fish and chips shop is a business, remittance is a business but Samsung is industrial policy.

I posted the following somewhere else but I'd like to know whether I'm simply rehashing ideas or not. I want everyone to know that every country in the world has business activity but not ever country is rich. What we need first and foremost is a national plan.

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Somalia can raise its status by producing better citizens. It can only do this through better education and diet. A better diet requires investment in food production and distribution, that is infrastructure. If you ever look at a map of the wealthiest nations they invariably have the highest density of train tracks. Minimizing transportation costs is the best way for a state to facilitate development, this also has the added benefit of distributing this development and pooling the nation into a shared market.

Somalia has heavy droughts and heavy flooding, this is the primary bottleneck in food production as of now. There are technologies around that were made to deal with this, they're called dams and sewerage pipes. In the long run Ethiopia controls our water, our only option for total sovereignty here is nuclear desalination.

Nuclear desalination is ideal for Somalia for two reasons. First it produces clean water, second it produces a lot of energy. It also has the added benefit of laying the groundwork for a nuclear capable Somalia.

How can Somalia finance its growth? Stop fighting each other and start fighting foreign influence. Today the Turks and Americans are putting bases around and in us, if you don't see where this is going you're deluded. The Turks are not our friends because they throw us scraps. Similarly we can not trust foreigners to own anything at all in Somalia. Take for instance the massive oil reserves found in the north and how they're being sold off. Why do British companies get to own Somalian oil? That's ludicrous. If we can't dig it out ourselves we shouldn't dig it out at all.

While the west will never help you without getting something in return China right now is building infrastructure for everyone with next to no strings attached. Somalia has to work with China to open a national oil company, this has two benefits. The first is China has no qualms about transferring technology to developing nations. The second is the international protection we garner from being a secure source of Chinese oil, China is hungry for oil and will do a lot for anyone who can guarantee it. Working with China also gives us the ability to assimilate their rail technology, Ethiopia knows this and it's an important part of their growth.

Somalia needs the following, in this order of importance:
Basic
1. National Oil
2. National Rail
3. Dams on Shabelle and Juba
4. Sewerage, Roads and Public Amenities

Advanced
5. Nuclear Desalination
0. HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION

The last point is ridiculously important. We need to pioneer a new model of learning that can catch the nation up in a single generation. For this we can look to South Korea since they've already done the same with this conscious intent. We will have to develop something unseen because of where we are starting but out right copying will be a good start.

From there we can focus on creating a beautiful country and optimizing diet and culture. This will come down to urban planning, greening missions, public facilities like sports centres, national support of the arts, music, film, high speed and public internet etc.

It can be done if Somalis learn that a nation is great because of its industrial policy and foreign relations and not because of its IQ, race or religion.

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If you would like to see how countries leave the poverty trap look no further than Ha-joon Chang's Kicking Away the Ladder.

 

[GeKo]

The turks have invested more than half a billion dollars into mega projects in the country. Training our soldiers, revamping our sea and airports, building schools, hospitals and orphanages, as well as training farmers in better farming techniques.

There impact can be felt in Somalia a lot. They may have ulterior motives and it is to be expected, every relationship is a give and take. They can just give and give without expecting some returns. Somalia once it can exploit its resources and get back on its feet can use Turkish companies to help build with us.

China isn't doing this for next to nothing, they're signing low interest loans to poor countries that are unlikely to pay those huge loans. I believe China is doing this under the guise of one belt one road but are securing themselves spots all over the world to control in case these countries can't pay. This is a cheap way of acquiring these key assets, like they did with Sri Lanka.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/world/asia/sri-lanka-china-port.html
"Struggling to pay its debt to Chinese firms, the nation of Sri Lanka formally handed over the strategic port of Hambantota to China on a 99-year lease last week, in a deal that government critics have said threatens the country’s sovereignty."

They also have an important Pakistani port as well. They're securing the South China Sea with claims to islands and are making their own islands to claim that sea as their own.

 

[Yaquub]

Read the title 100 times over.

Business never saved a nation. Your local fish and chips shop is a business, remittance is a business but Samsung is industrial policy.

I posted the following somewhere else but I'd like to know whether I'm simply rehashing ideas or not. I want everyone to know that every country in the world has business activity but not ever country is rich. What we need first and foremost is a national plan.

_____________________________________________________________________


Somalia can raise its status by producing better citizens. It can only do this through better education and diet. A better diet requires investment in food production and distribution, that is infrastructure. If you ever look at a map of the wealthiest nations they invariably have the highest density of train tracks. Minimizing transportation costs is the best way for a state to facilitate development, this also has the added benefit of distributing this development and pooling the nation into a shared market.

Somalia has heavy droughts and heavy flooding, this is the primary bottleneck in food production as of now. There are technologies around that were made to deal with this, they're called dams and sewerage pipes. In the long run Ethiopia controls our water, our only option for total sovereignty here is nuclear desalination.

Nuclear desalination is ideal for Somalia for two reasons. First it produces clean water, second it produces a lot of energy. It also has the added benefit of laying the groundwork for a nuclear capable Somalia.

How can Somalia finance its growth? Stop fighting each other and start fighting foreign influence. Today the Turks and Americans are putting bases around and in us, if you don't see where this is going you're deluded. The Turks are not our friends because they throw us scraps. Similarly we can not trust foreigners to own anything at all in Somalia. Take for instance the massive oil reserves found in the north and how they're being sold off. Why do British companies get to own Somalian oil? That's ludicrous. If we can't dig it out ourselves we shouldn't dig it out at all.

While the west will never help you without getting something in return China right now is building infrastructure for everyone with next to no strings attached. Somalia has to work with China to open a national oil company, this has two benefits. The first is China has no qualms about transferring technology to developing nations. The second is the international protection we garner from being a secure source of Chinese oil, China is hungry for oil and will do a lot for anyone who can guarantee it. Working with China also gives us the ability to assimilate their rail technology, Ethiopia knows this and it's an important part of their growth.

Somalia needs the following, in this order of importance:
Basic
1. National Oil
2. National Rail
3. Dams on Shabelle and Juba
4. Sewerage, Roads and Public Amenities

Advanced
5. Nuclear Desalination
0. HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION

The last point is ridiculously important. We need to pioneer a new model of learning that can catch the nation up in a single generation. For this we can look to South Korea since they've already done the same with this conscious intent. We will have to develop something unseen because of where we are starting but out right copying will be a good start.

From there we can focus on creating a beautiful country and optimizing diet and culture. This will come down to urban planning, greening missions, public facilities like sports centres, national support of the arts, music, film, high speed and public internet etc.

It can be done if Somalis learn that a nation is great because of its industrial policy and foreign relations and not because of its IQ, race or religion.

______________________________________________________________________


If you would like to see how countries leave the poverty trap look no further than Ha-joon Chang's Kicking Away the Ladder.

We live in the 21st century!! walaah all our water problems could be solved by accessing underground aquifers, building dams to store flood water and building desalination water treatment plants.

 

[Yaquub]

Read the title 100 times over.

Business never saved a nation. Your local fish and chips shop is a business, remittance is a business but Samsung is industrial policy.

I posted the following somewhere else but I'd like to know whether I'm simply rehashing ideas or not. I want everyone to know that every country in the world has business activity but not ever country is rich. What we need first and foremost is a national plan.

_____________________________________________________________________


Somalia can raise its status by producing better citizens. It can only do this through better education and diet. A better diet requires investment in food production and distribution, that is infrastructure. If you ever look at a map of the wealthiest nations they invariably have the highest density of train tracks. Minimizing transportation costs is the best way for a state to facilitate development, this also has the added benefit of distributing this development and pooling the nation into a shared market.

Somalia has heavy droughts and heavy flooding, this is the primary bottleneck in food production as of now. There are technologies around that were made to deal with this, they're called dams and sewerage pipes. In the long run Ethiopia controls our water, our only option for total sovereignty here is nuclear desalination.

Nuclear desalination is ideal for Somalia for two reasons. First it produces clean water, second it produces a lot of energy. It also has the added benefit of laying the groundwork for a nuclear capable Somalia.

How can Somalia finance its growth? Stop fighting each other and start fighting foreign influence. Today the Turks and Americans are putting bases around and in us, if you don't see where this is going you're deluded. The Turks are not our friends because they throw us scraps. Similarly we can not trust foreigners to own anything at all in Somalia. Take for instance the massive oil reserves found in the north and how they're being sold off. Why do British companies get to own Somalian oil? That's ludicrous. If we can't dig it out ourselves we shouldn't dig it out at all.

While the west will never help you without getting something in return China right now is building infrastructure for everyone with next to no strings attached. Somalia has to work with China to open a national oil company, this has two benefits. The first is China has no qualms about transferring technology to developing nations. The second is the international protection we garner from being a secure source of Chinese oil, China is hungry for oil and will do a lot for anyone who can guarantee it. Working with China also gives us the ability to assimilate their rail technology, Ethiopia knows this and it's an important part of their growth.

Somalia needs the following, in this order of importance:
Basic
1. National Oil
2. National Rail
3. Dams on Shabelle and Juba
4. Sewerage, Roads and Public Amenities

Advanced
5. Nuclear Desalination
0. HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION

The last point is ridiculously important. We need to pioneer a new model of learning that can catch the nation up in a single generation. For this we can look to South Korea since they've already done the same with this conscious intent. We will have to develop something unseen because of where we are starting but out right copying will be a good start.

From there we can focus on creating a beautiful country and optimizing diet and culture. This will come down to urban planning, greening missions, public facilities like sports centres, national support of the arts, music, film, high speed and public internet etc.

It can be done if Somalis learn that a nation is great because of its industrial policy and foreign relations and not because of its IQ, race or religion.

______________________________________________________________________


If you would like to see how countries leave the poverty trap look no further than Ha-joon Chang's Kicking Away the Ladder.

As for the oil i thought that the americans dug it out for the saudis and payed them for it. If they didn't rob poor Bedouins then why would they rob us? it's a mutual agreement and in fact every country that has gotten rich from oil has had other companies dig it out for them and pay them. later on we can buy back those companies and shares using the oil money. Care to correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Yaquub]

Read the title 100 times over.

Business never saved a nation. Your local fish and chips shop is a business, remittance is a business but Samsung is industrial policy.

I posted the following somewhere else but I'd like to know whether I'm simply rehashing ideas or not. I want everyone to know that every country in the world has business activity but not ever country is rich. What we need first and foremost is a national plan.

_____________________________________________________________________


Somalia can raise its status by producing better citizens. It can only do this through better education and diet. A better diet requires investment in food production and distribution, that is infrastructure. If you ever look at a map of the wealthiest nations they invariably have the highest density of train tracks. Minimizing transportation costs is the best way for a state to facilitate development, this also has the added benefit of distributing this development and pooling the nation into a shared market.

Somalia has heavy droughts and heavy flooding, this is the primary bottleneck in food production as of now. There are technologies around that were made to deal with this, they're called dams and sewerage pipes. In the long run Ethiopia controls our water, our only option for total sovereignty here is nuclear desalination.

Nuclear desalination is ideal for Somalia for two reasons. First it produces clean water, second it produces a lot of energy. It also has the added benefit of laying the groundwork for a nuclear capable Somalia.

How can Somalia finance its growth? Stop fighting each other and start fighting foreign influence. Today the Turks and Americans are putting bases around and in us, if you don't see where this is going you're deluded. The Turks are not our friends because they throw us scraps. Similarly we can not trust foreigners to own anything at all in Somalia. Take for instance the massive oil reserves found in the north and how they're being sold off. Why do British companies get to own Somalian oil? That's ludicrous. If we can't dig it out ourselves we shouldn't dig it out at all.

While the west will never help you without getting something in return China right now is building infrastructure for everyone with next to no strings attached. Somalia has to work with China to open a national oil company, this has two benefits. The first is China has no qualms about transferring technology to developing nations. The second is the international protection we garner from being a secure source of Chinese oil, China is hungry for oil and will do a lot for anyone who can guarantee it. Working with China also gives us the ability to assimilate their rail technology, Ethiopia knows this and it's an important part of their growth.

Somalia needs the following, in this order of importance:
Basic
1. National Oil
2. National Rail
3. Dams on Shabelle and Juba
4. Sewerage, Roads and Public Amenities

Advanced
5. Nuclear Desalination
0. HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION

The last point is ridiculously important. We need to pioneer a new model of learning that can catch the nation up in a single generation. For this we can look to South Korea since they've already done the same with this conscious intent. We will have to develop something unseen because of where we are starting but out right copying will be a good start.

From there we can focus on creating a beautiful country and optimizing diet and culture. This will come down to urban planning, greening missions, public facilities like sports centres, national support of the arts, music, film, high speed and public internet etc.

It can be done if Somalis learn that a nation is great because of its industrial policy and foreign relations and not because of its IQ, race or religion.

______________________________________________________________________


If you would like to see how countries leave the poverty trap look no further than Ha-joon Chang's Kicking Away the Ladder.

The one thing i don't like is the source of our two important rivers being in the ethiopian highlands. Since they control the region they can pull an egypt on us and dam the rivers to prevent flow. I don't think these rivers are in the ogaden region so that our brothers there can defend it which could be a major problem in the future. I still think that planting more trees would be a better idea, since it cools down the climate and increases evapotranspiration and rainfall.

 

[Deng Xiaobling]

The turks have invested more than half a billion dollars into mega projects in the country. Training our soldiers, revamping our sea and airports, building schools, hospitals and orphanages, as well as training farmers in better farming techniques.

There impact can be felt in Somalia a lot. They may have ulterior motives and it is to be expected, every relationship is a give and take. They can just give and give without expecting some returns. Somalia once it can exploit its resources and get back on its feet can use Turkish companies to help build with us.

China isn't doing this for next to nothing, they're signing low interest loans to poor countries that are unlikely to pay those huge loans. I believe China is doing this under the guise of one belt one road but are securing themselves spots all over the world to control in case these countries can't pay. This is a cheap way of acquiring these key assets, like they did with Sri Lanka.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/world/asia/sri-lanka-china-port.html
"Struggling to pay its debt to Chinese firms, the nation of Sri Lanka formally handed over the strategic port of Hambantota to China on a 99-year lease last week, in a deal that government critics have said threatens the country’s sovereignty."

They also have an important Pakistani port as well. They're securing the South China Sea with claims to islands and are making their own islands to claim that sea as their own.

This is what I'm worried about with Turkey. No one gives for no reason, the definition of ulterior motives. The reason I consider China a safer bet is because it's not in NATO and their desires and geopolitical interests are very easily understood. For China OBOR is a modern day Marshall Plan, every developing nation would be smart to milk this opportunity. There are dangers to be watched out for but the positives strongly out weight the negatives.

 

[EDsomali]

The reason Japan is so rich today is because of the policies the government adopted after the second world war which caused the economy to flourish. If only our government could do that.

 

[Deng Xiaobling]

As for the oil i thought that the americans dug it out for the saudis and payed them for it. If they didn't rob poor Bedouins then why would they rob us? it's a mutual agreement and in fact every country that has gotten rich from oil has had other companies dig it out for them and pay them. later on we can buy back those companies and shares using the oil money. Care to correct me if i'm wrong.

The US doesn't actually need to directly rob people of resources like oil because it's a financial empire. They simply need oil to be traded in dollars and their currency remains accepted regardless of how much they choose to print. They don't 'rob' the Saudis because the Saudis are on retainer, the US basically gets an infinite money supply from the relationship while the Saudis get monopoly power.

Britain and the EU on the other hand need to directly exploit other countries. Besides US companies won't treat us like the Saudis and will take advantage just because they can.

 

[Active asylum]

The reason Japan is so rich today is because of the policies the government adopted after the second world war which caused the economy to flourish. If only our government could do that.

no... japan has flourished because its a pagan state with illuminati bloodlines. the Japanese royal family believe they have blood ties to david and Solomon..

japan is a psycho land run by weirdos.

 

[Yaquub]

The US doesn't actually need to directly rob people of resources like oil because it's a financial empire. They simply need oil to be traded in dollars and their currency remains accepted regardless of how much they choose to print. They don't 'rob' the Saudis because the Saudis are on retainer, the US basically gets an infinite money supply from the relationship while the Saudis get monopoly power.

Britain and the EU on the other hand need to directly exploit other countries. Besides US companies won't treat us like the Saudis and will take advantage just because they can.

Yes but why sxb? when they came to the bedoins they were living in tents and had no concept of business so, why would they try to rob somalis that understand their worth more than ignorant arabs who at the time understood nothing about oil trade? we already have the middle eastern oil agreement trade to learn from so surely they would not thin that we would be stupid to give them more rights than they need to drill.

 

[Yaquub]

no... japan has flourished because its a pagan state with illuminati bloodlines. the Japanese royal family believe they have blood ties to david and Solomon..

japan is a psycho land run by weirdos.

That's complete bull!! everyone in the world apparently has links to king soloman (rolls eyes). it's best if human's stop seeking inclusion into these magical bloodlines and accept the reality that the only line that mattered was the one that begat esa anything after that came from solomons other sons with his captive women and weren't included in his royal bloodline. Solomon's line ended with Esa, so how can ppl like the ethiopians claim to be related to him? bastard sons or sons of slave women don't count in royal bloodlines as they didn't inherit the family name.

 

[gurey]

What you are forgetting is, they know in order for their plans to work, they need Somalia to be 1 day away from starvation and civil war. They do this by having a weak government whose influence stops a mile outside the government hq's. By having foreign soldiers looking after the government because it will be savaged by tribal militias and terrorist giving half a chance. By having a government which simply doesn't rely on taxation and government owned businesses but foreign aid which is a pittance anyways. This allows them to get their way 100% of the time.

So how exactly do you expect this government or previous one or the one after to have a national industrial plan? The government is literally existing on Pay cheque to pay cheque.

Great ideas though, too late though. Our safest bet is to wait till another superpower comes along.

 

[government]

This is what I'm worried about with Turkey. No one gives for no reason, the definition of ulterior motives. The reason I consider China a safer bet is because it's not in NATO and their desires and geopolitical interests are very easily understood. For China OBOR is a modern day Marshall Plan, every developing nation would be smart to milk this opportunity. There are dangers to be watched out for but the positives strongly out weight the negatives.

It's mimo like the bretton woods than it's the Marshall plan this is China trying to cut away From the American system and establishing their own

 

[Factz]

@Deng Xiaobling @Yaquub Both of you are ignorant if you wish Somalia to have desalination water. Do you realize desalination water damages your organs and give you terrible crops which could make you sick? Somalia has so much fresh water but they're too ignorant to block it and save it.

What Somalia needs is to do rain harvest, block and save fresh water from a certain location such as rain harvest, rivers, seasonal rivers, underground water and mountain waters.

Do you know how much water is flushing out from the end point of Jubba and Shabelle river? Do you know how much rain water ends up in the Indian ocean and gulf of Aden? Do you realize how much seasonal water is wasted and ends up in the ocean? Do you realize how much water we have in underground and mountains but we're too ignorant to dig it up.

If Somalia were able to do all of this then we would have enough water to provide our neighboring countries, forget Somalia lol.

Plus, with modern day technology we can turn Somalia 100% green since our soil isn't desert but a dry soil that needs irrigation. If this happens then we can increase oven more water since there are more trees. Heck, don't worry about our nomads since we can convert their lifestyle into agro-pastoralism through good educational system.

Use your brain guys, come on! Natural fresh water is the way.

 

[gurey]

@Factz Israel uses desalination and they don't have problems. Haven't heard negatives about. Personally I reckon we need water from all sources.

 

[Factz]

@Factz Israel uses desalination and they don't have problems. Haven't heard negatives about. Personally I reckon we need water from all sources.

You're wrong. They do have problems. In fact, there is already a lot of complaints of health issues.

"Desalination removes iodine from water and could increase the risk of iodine deficiency disorders. Israeli researchers claimed a possible link between seawater desalination and iodine deficiency,[64] finding deficits among euthyroid adults exposed to iodine-poor water[65] concurrently with an increasing proportion of their area's drinking water from seawater reverse osmosis (SWRO).[66] They later found probable iodine deficiency disorders in a population reliant on desalinated seawater.[67] A possible link of heavy desalinated water use and national iodine deficiency was suggested by Israeli researchers.[68] They found a high burden of iodine deficiency in the general population of Israel: 62% of school-age children and 85% of pregnant women fall below the WHO’s adequacy range.[69] They also pointed out the national reliance on iodine-depleted desalinated water, the absence of a universal salt iodization program and reports of increased use of thyroid medication in Israel as a possible reasons that the population’s iodine intake is low. In the year that the survey was conducted, the amount of water produced from the desalination plants constitutes about 50% of the quantity of fresh water supplied for all needs and about 80% of the water supplied for domestic and industrial needs in Israel.[70]"

Learn more about the side effects of desalination water. Here: https://sciencing.com/disadvantages-desalination-5961767.html

I've already given you an example how Somalis can save up so much natural fresh water that can provide up to atleast 70 million people if we had the money and brain cells of course.

 

[gurey]

Thanks

But water from rivers is not safe since it can be diverted by Ethiopia. But th saving rain water is good. You Libya found aquaifers with huge amount of water whilst searching for oil. Enough to last them a 1000 years. Does Somalia have that or similiar. I doubt it. Ethiopia will subjugate us with water markas

 

[Factz]

Thanks

But water from rivers is not safe since it can be diverted by Ethiopia. But th saving rain water is good. You Libya found aquaifers with huge amount of water whilst searching for oil. Enough to last them a 1000 years. Does Somalia have that or similiar. I doubt it. Ethiopia will subjugate us with water markas

So much water has been found underground in Woqooyi Galbeed, Togdheer, Sanaag, Nugaal, Mudug, Gedo, Bay, Bakool, Shabelle hoose and Jubba hoose. So much water has also been found in Sheikh mountain, Dollo mountain, and Galgala mountain. With this much water, it can provide the whole nation for a long period of time very easily but the problem is we don't have the money and technology to dig it up and distribute it to the whole country.

Plus, do you how much water seasonal rivers and rainwater has which eventually ends up in the ocean? If we manage to block all of it and save it in a certain location then wallahi we'll have so much water that we'll start giving it to Yemen and other countries that lack water.

Jubba and Shabelle rivers can be increased by planting trees near the river and increasing the water flow from its tributaries, so Ethiopia is not to worry.

We can turn Nugaal river into a perminent river stretching from Sheikh mountain to Eyl.


Somalia has no deserts by the way, so the places you see that aren't fertile are basically dry soil that simply needs irrigation and it can become a rich fertile soil easily. If we plant more trees then there will be more rainwater increasing the waters even at a greater height.

 

[Deng Xiaobling]

Thanks @Factz very helpful content, I don't know enough about Somalias water situation. We will of course need to cultivate every technology possible so both would be good just in case.

 

[Deng Xiaobling]

Yes but why sxb?

I don't think we can completely know what they intend, the important thing is to be in a position where it doesn't matter. That means we should prepare for the worst with them. The US is so exploitative and wishes to micromanage everyone that it's basically wishful thinking to think you can work with them as an equal.