GENETICS Sudan autosomal study

[Apollo]

More genetics suugo science, I discovered a new big autosomal focused on Sudan:

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006976

Only the Beja are relatively close to Somalis.

 

[Apollo]

Most Arab Sudanese Arab tribe tested:
Bataheen

Least Arab Sudanese Arab tribe tested:
Messiria

Copts of Sudan are identical to Egyptian Copts, excluding that 1 Nuba mixed outlier.

Bejas on the whole are intermediate between Somalis and Copts, leaning more towards Somalis. Bejas also have Nubian admixture [as in North Nubian], especially the Hadendoa.

 

[Bidaar Wanagsan]

So you like to dabble in the quality of people's sperm? You're like the forensic team they call in after a rape case to scrape semen from the woman's clit. One twisted guy.

 

[Grant]

More genetics suugo science, I discovered a new big autosomal focused on Sudan:

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006976

Only the Beja are relatively close to Somalis.

Sudanese Arabs, Nubians aren't that close. The pure Nilotics are unrelated as well.

Save the Beja.

The Cushitic language family once covered most of the Nile valley, both Sudan and southern Egypt. Kerma was part of Kush.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushitic_languages

"The languages spoken in the ancient Kerma Culture (present-day southern Egypt and northern Sudan) also belonged to the Cushitic branch of the Afroasiatic languages.[3][4] The languages spoken in the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic in the Great Lakes region are thought to have belonged to the Cushitic branch of Afroasiatic."

Where did these people go?

I suggest up the Nile, to the Great Lakes region, and from there into southern Ethiopia and points south and east. This would be the E1b1b that came to Somalia from the south. T is most likely from the north, either from the Red Sea hills or across the Red Sea.

Check out the archaeological work at Namoratunga, near Lake Turkana, in Kenya.

 

[Xooshdheere]

More genetics suugo science, I discovered a new big autosomal focused on Sudan:

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1006976

Only the Beja are relatively close to Somalis.

Sudanese Arabs, Nubians aren't that close. The pure Nilotics are unrelated as well.

Save the Beja.

So Beja people are Cushitic and despite being all the way in Egypt/Sudan still look like the people in Somalia and still speak Cushitic language? They are also Muslim (despite the Negroids around them being Non Muslim).

Also, why save the Beja? What's going on in Sudan?

 

[Von]

export the Bantus , import the Beja

 

[Menelik III]

The Cushitic language family once covered most of the Nile valley, both Sudan and southern Egypt. Kerma was part of Kush.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushitic_languages

"The languages spoken in the ancient Kerma Culture (present-day southern Egypt and northern Sudan) also belonged to the Cushitic branch of the Afroasiatic languages.[3][4] The languages spoken in the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic in the Great Lakes region are thought to have belonged to the Cushitic branch of Afroasiatic."

Where did these people go?

I suggest up the Nile, to the Great Lakes region, and from there into southern Ethiopia and points south and east. This would be the E1b1b that came to Somalia from the south. T is most likely from the north, either from the Red Sea hills or across the Red Sea.

Check out the archaeological work at Namoratunga, near Lake Turkana, in Kenya.

That wouldn't make sense since the plethora of languages in the afroasiatic family are present in the Horn, which signifies indigenousness. Your theories of afroasiatic or cushtic migration into Ethiopia is absurd with no grounds. The people of the southern nile are not cushtic and have never been.

 

[XoosBoos]

That wouldn't make sense since the plethora of languages in the afroasiatic family are present in the Horn, which signifies indigenousness. Your theories of afroasiatic or cushtic migration into Ethiopia is absurd with no grounds. The people of the southern nile are not cushtic and have never been.

Proof and link. I want to be sure and compare with evidences. So I want to be sure with your statement.

 

[Grant]

That wouldn't make sense since the plethora of languages in the afroasiatic family are present in the Horn, which signifies indigenousness. Your theories of afroasiatic or cushtic migration into Ethiopia is absurd with no grounds. The people of the southern nile are not cushtic and have never been.

MIII,

Kindly read the article on the Cushitic languages. The Cushitic tribes in southeastern Ethiopia came from the Sudan, following invasions from Egypt, the Middle East and Aksum.

http://ayyaantuu.net/deepening-cultural-integration-among-the-cushitic-peoples-in-ethiopia/

"The Cushitic and Omotic language speaking peoples inhabited the Cush land or the present-day Ethiopia at least by 7000 BC. The history of Cush (Aithiopia) goes therefore as far back as 9000 years. While the Nubians settled around the Nile valley, the Beja, Oromo, Sidama, Agew, Somali, Afar, Saho and many other Cushitic groups dispersed from the early Cush lands in northern Sudan and southern Egypt and inhabited the Horn as far south as northern Tanzania. The Cushites had settled in northern Tanzania at least by 500 BC."

 

[Menelik III]

Proof and link. I want to be sure and compare with evidences. So I want to be sure with your statement.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urheimat
Scroll down to the Afroasiatic homeland.
When you have a divergence of languages into multiple languages and even different branches, it signifies a likely origin.

 

[Menelik III]

MIII,

Kindly read the article on the Cushitic languages. The Cushitic tribes in southeastern Ethiopia came from the Sudan, following invasions from Egypt, the Middle East and Aksum.

http://ayyaantuu.net/deepening-cultural-integration-among-the-cushitic-peoples-in-ethiopia/

"The Cushitic and Omotic language speaking peoples inhabited the Cush land or the present-day Ethiopia at least by 7000 BC. The history of Cush (Aithiopia) goes therefore as far back as 9000 years. While the Nubians settled around the Nile valley, the Beja, Oromo, Sidama, Agew, Somali, Afar, Saho and many other Cushitic groups dispersed from the early Cush lands in northern Sudan and southern Egypt and inhabited the Horn as far south as northern Tanzania. The Cushites had settled in northern Tanzania at least by 500 BC."

Haha you posted an Oromo site, I can't read that garbage. It's all propaganda, they claim to be native to the north when their expansion was noted in the 1500s.

There's records of farmers in northern Ethiopia that date back 15k years. This is a time before Egypt even existed, before it could even have "pushed" people out. How can aksum push cushites into Ethiopia when they were said to be apart of the empire since it's formation?

 

[Grant]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urheimat
Scroll down to the Afroasiatic homeland.
When you have a divergence of languages into multiple languages and even different branches, it signifies a likely origin.

Let's see. Between Darfur and Tibeste; or in Ethioipia; or in other countries of the Horn. Yeah, that's definitely Ethiopia.

Your link:

"The limited area of the Afro-Asiatic Sprachraum (prior to its expansion to new areas in the historic era) has limited the potential areas where that family's urheimat could be. Generally speaking, two proposals have been developed: that Afro-Asiatic arose in a Semitic urheimat in the Middle East aka Southwest Asia, or that Afro-Asiatic languages arose in northeast Africa (generally, either between Darfur and Tibesti or in Ethiopia and the other countries of the Horn of Africa). The African hypothesis is considered to be rather more likely at the present time, because of the greater diversity of languages with more distant relationships to each other there."

 

[XoosBoos]

Haha you posted an Oromo site, I can't read that garbage. It's all propaganda, they claim to be native to the north when their expansion was noted in the 1500s.

There's records of farmers in northern Ethiopia that date back 15k years. This is a time before Egypt even existed, before it could even have "pushed" people out. How can aksum push cushites into Ethiopia when they were said to be apart of the empire since it's formation?

Oromo sites are bs. They claim Hawiye and Dir are Oromos therefore they can claim Somali cities. They even claim that Adulis was a Oromo hub

 

[Apollo]

So Beja people are Cushitic and despite being all the way in Egypt/Sudan still look like the people in Somalia and still speak Cushitic language? They are also Muslim (despite the Negroids around them being Non Muslim).

Also, why save the Beja? What's going on in Sudan?

Hadendoa Bejas seem to have mixed a lot with Nubians, they are impure now.

Beni Amer Bejas are still quite Horner.

 

[Menelik III]

Let's see. Between Darfur and Tibeste; or in Ethioipia; or in other countries of the Horn. Yeah, that's definitely Ethiopia.

Your link:

"The limited area of the Afro-Asiatic Sprachraum (prior to its expansion to new areas in the historic era) has limited the potential areas where that family's urheimat could be. Generally speaking, two proposals have been developed: that Afro-Asiatic arose in a Semitic urheimat in the Middle East aka Southwest Asia, or that Afro-Asiatic languages arose in northeast Africa (generally, either between Darfur and Tibesti or in Ethiopia and the other countries of the Horn of Africa). The African hypothesis is considered to be rather more likely at the present time, because of the greater diversity of languages with more distant relationships to each other there."

This should be obvious which one is more likely. The area where there's a continuous population of the people that stretches in every direction and includes multiple branches of said language family or the area where there's no remnants or historical backing...

 

[Apollo]

This @Grant guy is utterly retarded. Is he now claiming that Cushites came via South Sudan? What an idiot. The Dinka are purely Nilotic and have no traces of Cushitic admixture, likewise for the Anuak, Shilluk, Nuer and Gumuz. The only plausible way Cushites could have entered from Sudan is via the Northeast where the Beja live.

And then you have to explain the lack of Omotic in Somalis.. Southern Ethiopia is rich in Omotic ancestry while Somalis are missing it.

Your South Sudan>South Ethiopia>Somalia theory is bunk.

 

[Apollo]

Let's see. Between Darfur and Tibeste; or in Ethioipia; or in other countries of the Horn. Yeah, that's definitely Ethiopia.

''No affinity of Natufians to sub-Saharan Africans is evident in the genome-wide analysis, as present-day sub-Saharan Africans do not share more alleles with Natufians than with other ancient Eurasians.''

''The view that the Natufians spoke an Afro-Asiatic language is accepted''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

Afro-Asiatic came from the area between Egypt and Israel.

 

[Grant]

Haha you posted an Oromo site, I can't read that garbage. It's all propaganda, they claim to be native to the north when their expansion was noted in the 1500s.

There's records of farmers in northern Ethiopia that date back 15k years. This is a time before Egypt even existed, before it could even have "pushed" people out. How can aksum push cushites into Ethiopia when they were said to be apart of the empire since it's formation?

Your ignorance of your neighbor's history is disturbing.

https://www.saylor.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/HIST101-2.3.1-KushAxum-FINAL1.pdf

"The Kushites ruled Egypt for fiftyseven years, and this period is considered one of the last
golden ages of Egyptian civilization. This Egyptian Renaissance reached its peak under the
reign of Taharqa , who built great monuments around Egypt and Kush, even building
Egyptian style pyramids in Kush. Taharqa’s rule, however, was challenged by the Assyrian
king Sennacherib.
Taharqa was able to save his Jewish allies in Jerusalem from destruction
by Sennacherib’s armies, but he was not able to stop an Assyrian invasion of Egypt.
The Assyrians forced Taharqa to flee back to Kush, and by 656 BC the Kushites had been driven
from Egypt In their place, the Assyrians set up a new,
native Egyptian dynasty to act as their puppets.
Still, the Kingdom of Kush continued to thrive, reestablishing trade contacts with the
rulers of Egypt, though the capital of Kush moved south again, from Napata to the city of
Meroë. As new, foreign powers occupied Egypt Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, and
Romans the Kushites maintained close relations with them.

The Kingdom of Kush began its final decline during the reign of the Roman Emperor Augustus, whose armies invaded and
weakened the kingdom. However, though the Kushites were accustomed to looking north for
enemies, the final power that destroyed the kingdom came instead from the south. Nomads
from the desert attacked the kingdom, and finally, in the fourth century AD, Meroe was
captured by the Axumite Kingdom."

 

[Apollo]

Your ignorance of your neighbor's history is disturbing.

Cushites is just an anthropological label and has nothing to do with the Kingdom of Kush. If there was a migration brining this language group it would have been around 10,000-6,000 years ago. Well before any of those civilizations.

 

[Menelik III]

Your ignorance of your neighbor's history is disturbing.

https://www.saylor.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/HIST101-2.3.1-KushAxum-FINAL1.pdf

"The Kushites ruled Egypt for fiftyseven years, and this period is considered one of the last
golden ages of Egyptian civilization. This Egyptian Renaissance reached its peak under the
reign of Taharqa , who built great monuments around Egypt and Kush, even building
Egyptian style pyramids in Kush. Taharqa’s rule, however, was challenged by the Assyrian
king Sennacherib.
Taharqa was able to save his Jewish allies in Jerusalem from destruction
by Sennacherib’s armies, but he was not able to stop an Assyrian invasion of Egypt.
The Assyrians forced Taharqa to flee back to Kush, and by 656 BC the Kushites had been driven
from Egypt In their place, the Assyrians set up a new,
native Egyptian dynasty to act as their puppets.
Still, the Kingdom of Kush continued to thrive, reestablishing trade contacts with the
rulers of Egypt, though the capital of Kush moved south again, from Napata to the city of
Meroë. As new, foreign powers occupied Egypt Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, and
Romans the Kushites maintained close relations with them.

The Kingdom of Kush began its final decline during the reign of the Roman Emperor Augustus, whose armies invaded and
weakened the kingdom. However, though the Kushites were accustomed to looking north for
enemies, the final power that destroyed the kingdom came instead from the south. Nomads
from the desert attacked the kingdom, and finally, in the fourth century AD, Meroe was
captured by the Axumite Kingdom."

You're mistaking the kush kingdom and the modern language group Cushitic. They are not synonymous and have relatively nothing to do with each other besides naming.

I know you can do better Grant.