if someone from your clan killed someone would you pay money to the victims family ?

[Gibiin-Udug]

Mj women

One mj woman is worth more than 600 of dhulos men.

 

[Luna]

I think all Somali's have at some point...

 

[Starscream]

And we saw how that turned out.

Different situation
in the past my family refused to hand over my uncle to get executed when they asked for his head.

One mj woman is worth more than 600 of dhulos men.

 

[Jake from State Farm]

My sisters name is ali.

Follow me back so we can dm

 

[Gambar]

No I would not. I’m a Hoyoo, I have mouths to feed why would I pay for some idiots decision? It’s like saying I should contribute to bail money because someone is from my clan. I have too many bills maba neefsan karno.

 

[Cumar]

I've already had to do this more than a few times now. It's a duty required of us men, extremely dishonourable to refuse it.

 

[Basra]

Clan is heavily used in the Somali community

There’s even a thing called qaadhaan basically blood money
where if a person kills another one
The killers clan will help him pay his debt back

Although this sounds nice I would personally never pay shit the killer got in that mess just cause we share same clan don’t mean We’re in the same boat

What about you guys would you pay money to help your clansmen pay his debt?

21st century. Police.

 

[Fang4]

I have to pay the blood money otherwise you’ll be in the Blacklist of the clan

 

[Basra]

One mj woman is worth more than 600 of dhulos men.

??????

 

[AussieHustler]

My dad refuses to pay and I was never approached. Banker has put it eloquently that the practice is medieval and favours the powerful groups/clans over the weaker clans. Those who object on that basis, how could they follow and support Islamic shariah laws that calls for the same exact principle of Diya? Aren’t the wealthy favoured over the poor? Indeed, it’s a medieval practice that has no place in the modern world except for shitty places that practice tribal and shariah laws.

 

[Geeljire lotus]

It’s not a good system to have it’s prone to chaos we need a solid legal system to judge people individually. Tribal mentality is prone to chaos but I would pay untill we have a new system tbh

 

[Gooney112]

My dad refuses to pay and I was never approached. Banker has put it eloquently that the practice is medieval and favours the powerful groups/clans over the weaker clans. Those who object on that basis, how could they follow and support Islamic shariah laws that calls for the same exact principle of Diya? Aren’t the wealthy favoured over the poor? Indeed, it’s a medieval practice that has no place in the modern world except for shitty places that practice tribal and shariah laws.

The family can choose. A lot of the time the family of the victim has nothing and he may have left children behind. Nothing will bring their father back. So they choose to be compensated to take care of his kids.

But it has to be their choice and this is where we have with Somalis. Its really not a choice but the weaker family being bullied and bunch of odoyaal getting involved. When my uncle killed a man the odoyaal in our family were convinced he wouldnt be locked up

 

[AussieHustler]

Gooney

Off course, the poor family will choose monetary compensation over the killer be killed under hudud Islamic Laws. What if the tables were turned and the poor person can’t afford paying any compensation or the wealthy family aren’t interested in his money? He will face the sword. However, you dissect it, this law favours the wealthy and disfavours the poor. “God” always had a special relationship with the wealthy and their established families.

 

[Gooney112]

Gooney

Off course, the poor family will choose monetary compensation over the killer be killed under hudud Islamic Laws. What if the tables were turned and the poor person can’t afford paying any compensation or the wealthy family aren’t interested in his money? He will face the sword. However, you dissect it, this law favours the wealthy and disfavours the poor. “God” always had a special relationship with the wealthy and their established families.

Either way its a choice for the victims family. So both are given the chance to decide the fate of the victim. I think thats fair

 

[AussieHustler]

Either way its a choice for the victims family. So both are given the chance to decide the fate of the victim. I think thats fair

Gooney

Choice? Yep.

 

[Gooney112]

Gooney

Choice? Yep.

technically yes....offcourse people are wicked and will bend the rules and pressure people. But the choice is there if we live in a country where people follow the rules

 

[AussieHustler]

technically yes....offcourse people are wicked and will bend the rules and pressure people. But the choice is there if we live in a country where people follow the rules

Gooney

Sxb, when there is an economic disparity between the groups and a financial settlement determines life and death, the choice favours one over the other and thereby, it is an unjust law.

 

[Gooney112]

Gooney

Sxb, when there is an economic disparity between the groups and a financial settlement determines life and death, the choice favours one over the other and thereby, it is an unjust law.

But we will always have economic disparity between people. Are you saying the family should be compensated even if they choose qisas and shouldnt be put in that situation where they have to make a choice they dont really want to, but are forced by needs?

 

[AussieHustler]

But we will always have economic disparity between people. Are you saying the family should be compensated even if they choose qisas and shouldnt be put in that situation where they have to make a choice they dont really want to, but are forced by needs?

Gooney

If the laws of “Allah” were meant to convey and deliver “justice”, the concept of Diya became contrarian to that spirit. It is a model that existed among tribal communities for thousands of years prior to the advent of monotheistic religions and adopting it today to a modern society as religious laws or otherwise is wrong because it is unjust to poor people and minor clans. From the jungles of Papua New Guinea to the Indians in the amazon forests, they do practice some sort of blood money aka Diya system. But, they exchange what’s affordable to all the tribes like pigs and women. Diya isn’t “God’s Law” and he couldn’t come up with a better system, therefore, it is a model founded by medieval people that has been enshrined in Shariah Laws as “God’s Laws”..

 

[AliUK]

You have a good reason to not pay blood money if your cousin killed someone intentionally but if your talking about cases involving serious injuries or death such as car accidents for ex where your cousin is at fault, then it's a big ceeb to refuse paying blood money.

I 100% agree, I would pay if he was reponsible for like a car accident but why would I spend my hard earnt cash on freeing a straight up killer.