If Somalia was never united, which region would be wealthiest and peaceful?

[DR OSMAN]

Farming in todays 1st world is purely for food security policies not 'economic' engine and you Somalis are thinking it's some sort of economic engine when it's not intended to be and why your referred to as 3rd world nations as you hold onto occupations that are no longer primary industries or money makers and hence your 80% of population becomes like ethiopia a farmer producing essentially what is 1 dollar product a day, at least they r slowly migrating from it thru meles zenawi vision into an urbanized economy and their building the electricity backbone to begin an industrial economy, what type of industrial and subsequent service economy is another question since where can u put these unskilled farmers other then 'unskilled factory' work which is just makes them become urban plantation economy kkkkkk or worse like djibouti an urban slum with no jobs at all.

Somalia economic policy has to be careful what it will do with these 1 dollar a day southy futos as they are the poorest segment among us just like the SYL focused on them the most and neglected the north for a 'economic reason', if we don't deal with them, our economic future will be hurt as they are the deadweight in the economy and why u see them working in the lowest industries in the urban city, you simply can't go from 1 dollar farming job into a high skilled industry in the city, they will remain maids-cleaners-construction workers is the inevitable future for them and the only growth they will see is if the nomadic group who become urban develop skills and produce products that are actually worth something like furniture-boats-beds-tvs-etc but i dont see any economic direction there, due to no electrical infrastructure policy nor banking culture to encourage business ownership nor govt policy for housing growth.

The dr is vicious economist and always brutalize @Farjano-Walad who is an absame economist by 'trade' apparently kkkk, but he forgets to tell u he graduated from fahad islamic university while drinking camel urine and doing 'ruqyah' sessions on demons kkkkk, superstitious bastard then tries to talk about economics, yeah islamic economics kkkk

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Do u actually believe u self?? I legit thought u were one of the few intelligent members here in SP but I guess cuqdad can not be cured. xamar was and will forever be the largest Somali city. It has nothing to do with location. Instead Its the natives. Hargeisa’s been very safe for last 20+ years yet u will rarely see non isaaqs/dir in hargeisa. Same thing in dijbooty. No sane non MJ darod would invest in garowe village let alone other Somalis.

U need to quit rewriting history and down playing the first Somali clan that put the Somali race on the global map.

I don't think you understand what I am talking about. Mogadishu has always been the largest city in Somaliweyn. It has always been economically important and this the heart of South Somalia's economy. This was increased even further by the fact that it also became the political center of Somaliweyn. An analogy you can understand would be that Mogadishu was Somalia's New York prior to Italian colonization, and became Tokyo afterward.

It was the economic center and it then became the economic and political center. In 1991 Mogadishu lost it political centrality and has also lost much of its economic centrality. Mogadishu is now, in effect, the center of Galmudug, Hiirshabelle and Koonfur Galbeed. Puntland, Jubaland and Somaliland are largely independent of Mogadishu politically and economically. It is no longer the primate city it was before 1991.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Thegoodshepherd me and @Karim have concluded Mogadishu has a lot of questions to answer after our 'experimentation. We laid out 10 by 10 meter 'block' of square in front of a house and asked them to come out and stand on it and found a disturbing variation to your density claims of 15,000 SQ KM per area sq.

We found in the 10 by 10 meter block only held 1-2 person on it in every district of mogadishu we sampled and not 15 as you claimed or else you would've covered that area space fully and over-flowed with 5 people meaning their would be no seeing the 'ground' in the mogadishu and it would be futo to futo every junction u go. I see lots of space n ground in mogadishu so that 90 sq km is lots of empty space

We concluded since nearly 80% of the 10 by 10 meter is absent, we inferred from that in every 100 by 100 meter u will see 80 meters empty space, thus by area sq km, 800 meters is totally absent of people. This means for Mogadishu total area sq 90 km, 80% is in-fact not settled which means 72 sq km cannot be calculated as peopled whatsoever, if we brought all the mogadishu people together into one area they would fill only 8 SQ KM, the rest is pure 'housing'.

8 SQ KM of real human population exists in that city, as didn't see any demonstration they filled 10 by 10 meter sq area fully let alone over-flow from it

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Thegoodshepherd for a 15000 sq km density, u need to prove that at one house block 20 by 20 holding 30 people consistently across the city and no-one is going to buy that.

Infact we want all the roads and open spaces deducted from the 'sq' measurement' and just the housing are sq total combined. Since we know the housing dimension is 20 by 20 meters per home.

We know to expect a 'maximum' of 5 properties in 100 by 100 meter which isn't uniform itself since the city isn't town planned in a grid. But we know you can't fit more then 5 homes with 20 by 20 sq housing meter dimension in less then a 100 by 100 SQ area.

That should be a maximum threshold not the 'adjusted average' whatsoever as that will require another around of 'averaging' what the rate of houses sit on 100 by 100 area meter is. Let's just assume 5 houses for argument sakes is in every 100 by 100 meter block of mogadishu. That gives a total home per area sq km of 5 x 1000. That's 5000 properties cannot exist beyond that area space.

5000 x 90 sq km is 450,000 houses and that's assuming no roads-laneways or any open space. If we adjust the ratio to take out all the open space. I measured on google earth an 'average' dusty lane-way in mogadishu, it's about 10 meter by width between neighbours.

Thats open space we will not add open space for them as area sq, this is nomadic pasture which open space is mandatory for 'vegetation' and growth, this is a city waryaa, open space just means less 'area' sq of city.

So assume each house has 10 meter open space width separating them so 5 houses will have 50 meters of open space in 100 by 100 meter area, so in your 1 area sq, assume 500 meters for open space for 1 area sq. So list the variables in your measurement as

5 homes is produced in a 100 meter by 100 meter space assuming each villa dimension is 20 by 20 blocks. 5 x 1000 sq meter is 5000 properties but include '500' meters of open space between them. So your total area is 90 SQ meters which includes 45 sq km meters of open space, so the true housing to land ratio without open space is 45 sq km. Population must be adjusted towards that niyahow, 5000 x 45 SQ km which is total of 225,000 homes if u not include the open space.

Now let's assume 1 per household and a high of 6 per home. The marginal rate we will need to see is between 1 x 225000 3 x 225000 6 x 225000. 1 per household x 225k = 225k. 3 per household x 225k = 675k. 6 per household x 225k = 1.3 million

That's is the low to high marginal bracket we expect to see Mogadishu boys work inside anything outside those range me and @Karim are handing it back as unacceptable estimation methods or asking what estimation method they used and if they can't provide the method, then it's purely out of their ass. The density range will only be accepted depending on what density estimation they used and in what 'area' of the 45 SQ KM justifies a higher density and 'dabaqs' are usually required as proof as we will assume. So we expect to see a range of density ratios thru out mogadishu not a 'flat out 6 or 3 or 1' but a 'variation' into hot and low spots but we don't expect to see anything outside 1.3 million bracket.

There isn't 6 people across 225k homes in mogadishu I would say only 'few' of them are in bakaraha and the rest is density average of 3 when u take the variation in household sample of 5 homes and divide it you will see an average of 3-4 as each home will be different number. Plus we want to 'urban' effect applied in the city, since it's hard to breed due to financial constraints.

 

[DR OSMAN]

There is only a pool of 3 million urbanites since it accounts for only 20% of 15 million, this isn't including the camps though as that is 'farmer pool' just displaced. The urban pool in Somalia is 3 million. Mogadishu is taking a large chunk of it but not 1.3 million. I wud assume 675k is better average to accomodate the variations of household population from 1 to 6 being the medium ground. To work of 6 average you need to assume 3-9 range, but i prefer to see 5 people house sample in each district of mogadishu and coming with density average. 5 x 16 houses is only 80 sample waryaa and we can fluctate density to 'appropriate' areas and lesser density to appropriate areas and work out and average between the two.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Yep, it has the longest permanent river which passes all her 3 regions (about 300km), highest recorded rainfalls in Somalia, most fertile land are in her 3 regions, 600 km of rich coastline, islands and so on.

This is why it has always been the main centre of all Somali conflicts + every clan you can think of lives there.

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No not every clan you can think of lives there a selective clan lives there the rest just claim like kuqabso kuqadi meysid.