Ibrahim omar wreathe in an isim

[Libaaxseendheer]

11:15
The eldest, the ulama, the giants
Of omar mahmoud wreathe in their ugaas

 

[DR OSMAN]

11:15
The eldest, the ulama, the giants
Of omar mahmoud wreathe in their ugaas

Isimo role are defined and limited to the following functions

1. Land and ensuring the clan has land is of paramount first duty of any ISIMO. No land means no Survival, Isimo are measured against they're land holdings
2. Unity of command for a clan. The ISIM is the first and last say. They may use councils to gather facts from differing stakeholders or class systems like business people, poets, historians, religious people, politicians, warrior class or security advisors(nabadoon) which wat my awoowe was to my 'caaqil' a security consultant for the clan.
3. Plan out the future for they're clan survival, growth in civilian sectors of the nation, strategic marriages with other ISIMO based clans depending on the clan's level and title, clan stability, growth, good manners and cultural knowledge.

What the f*ck does your ISIM DO? Because Osman Mahmoud ISIMO are well structured but they look to build independent clans of each other which has been they're ISIM role since Keenadiid left for the south and decided to carve our a new kingdom. What the f*ck is Omar Mahmoud ISIMO job, come on, take me on, I won't even send my boqor to you, just deal with me an CAAQIL and you will see we carry more 'weight' then all your god damn ISIMO except your ISLAN.

Wallahi one caaqil of osman mahmoud is worth 100 of your caaqilo, we are nearly at the level of might and knowledge of your ISLAAN who I must say is well regarded and respected and that's because he is managing the omar mahmoud clan as a whole and developing capacity. At least your not as horrendous as SADE OR HAWIYE who are politicians not clan builders loooooooool. Politicians don't build clans lol, they build themselves, they don't even know the difference which shows you how fucked up those clans are and no wonder they're regions are a MESS which is the ISIM duties.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Isimo role are defined and limited to the following functions

1. Land and ensuring the clan has land is of paramount first duty of any ISIMO. No land means no Survival, Isimo are measured against they're land holdings
2. Unity of command for a clan. The ISIM is the first and last say. They may use councils to gather facts from differing stakeholders or class systems like business people, poets, historians, religious people, politicians, warrior class or security advisors(nabadoon) which wat my awoowe was to my 'caaqil' a security consultant for the clan.
3. Plan out the future for they're clan survival, growth in civilian sectors of the nation, strategic marriages with other ISIMO based clans depending on the clan's level and title, clan stability, growth, good manners and cultural knowledge.

What the f*ck does your ISIM DO? Because Osman Mahmoud ISIMO are well structured but they look to build independent clans of each other which has been they're ISIM role since Keenadiid left for the south and decided to carve our a new kingdom. What the f*ck is Omar Mahmoud ISIMO job, come on, take me on, I won't even send my boqor to you, just deal with me an CAAQIL and you will see we carry more 'weight' then all your god damn ISIMO except your ISLAN.

Wallahi one caaqil of osman mahmoud is worth 100 of your caaqilo, we are nearly at the level of might and knowledge of your ISLAAN who I must say is well regarded and respected and that's because he is managing the omar mahmoud clan as a whole and developing capacity. At least your not as horrendous as SADE OR HAWIYE who are politicians not clan builders loooooooool. Politicians don't build clans lol, they build themselves, they don't even know the difference which shows you how fucked up those clans are and no wonder they're regions are a MESS which is the ISIM duties.

The madaxweyne is at the top, than the boqor, than the islan than my ugaas.
Its like what a president is to a governor is to a mayor. Its for order and kala dambeyn. To better facilitate tribes and make them more productive. I suggest even more sub isimo for every 4 generations an isim. To ignite healthy competition and conduce order and productivity at the 4gen sub-clan level. And for the 4gen isim to tax/fundraise from his particular juffo and do something productive for his juffo.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The madaxweyne is at the top, than the boqor, than the islan than my ugaas.
Its like what a president is to a governor is to a mayor. Its for order and kala dambeyn. To better facilitate tribes and make them more productive. I suggest even more sub isimo for every 4 generations an isim. To ignite healthy competition and conduce order and productivity at the 4gen sub-clan level. And for the 4gen isim to tax/fundraise from his particular juffo and do something productive for his juffo.

Well I don't know where this 'title' Madaxwayne has any history in Puntite culture or even Somali culture, tradition and governance model. I can't find this mysterious 'madaxwayne' title anywhere ummmm, maybe it's root is in COLONIALISM and Colonial governance structures is what I say. It's a made up word. The term madaxwayne had no meaning before 1960, it's new title. Puntland wasn't born in 1960, thank you very much. Maybe the South was, take that shit over there adeer.

Our leaders are based on sultanate system with Boqor at the TOP followed by Sultans, Garaads, Ugaas, Islans, Caaqil. Our security experts and negotiators are 'nabadoons'. We have a class system in our civil society ranging from business men, poets, waxgarad(expert in some field), civil class, religious class, military class, women class, youth class. I prefer our old system, it's very reflective of the land and the way things are without this nonsensical western governance model that is simply failing to work. The western model should stay in the west, I am not mocking it, but it doesn't work here since pre-existing governance models existed and is continously clashing with it.

That's why no-one disrespect the ISIM, but we all disrespect MADAXWAYNE. Why? cause it's new bullshit, we didn't know before 1960, it hasn't earned our respect at all, why shove it down our throats more.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Well I don't know where this 'title' Madaxwayne has any history in Puntite culture or even Somali culture, tradition and governance model. I can't find this mysterious 'madaxwayne' title anywhere ummmm, maybe it's root is in COLONIALISM and Colonial governance structures is what I say. It's a made up word. The term madaxwayne had no meaning before 1960, it's new title. Puntland wasn't born in 1960, thank you very much. Maybe the South was, take that shit over there adeer.

Our leaders are based on sultanate system with Boqor at the TOP followed by Sultans, Garaads, Ugaas, Islans, Caaqil. Our security experts and negotiators are 'nabadoons'.

I agree 100% all the duties of the madaxweyne should be transferred to the boqor, than the islaans are given almost similar aptitude but slightly less, and onwards and downwards. Theres no need for this european foreign governance, democracy is just theyre legacy they want mimicked by tbe world for ego reasons. I would change one thing and that is that the positions of the boqor/islaan/ugaas etc are elected by odayaal after the death of the previous. Rather than passing it on to an incompetent son, best the positions be only for life( like supreme court positions) and not trans-generational.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I agree 100% all the duties of the madaxweyne should be transferred to the boqor, than the islaans are given almost similar aptitude but slightly less, and onwards and downwards. Theres no need for this european foreign governance, democracy is just theyre legacy they want mimicked by tbe world for ego reasons. I would change one thing and that is that the positions of the boqor/islaan/ugaas etc are elected by odayaal after the death of the previous. Rather than passing it on to an incompetent son, best the positions be only for life( like supreme court positions) and not trans-generational.

When the peasants up-rised in Europe and destroyed they're old governance model of kings and queens and royal house. They found the peasants weren't suitable for any position, so they started to write down duties and responsibilities of each office, they actually designed the state 'empty' of stakeholders and just wrote down what each office required. They would use election process to find out who fills those positions thru majority rule among the peasants. It's not an ideal system at all. If we want this peasant system, we need to configure it the same. Write down the duties and responsibilities of each ministry, parliament, courts, presidency. Write down they're limitations.

We need to design the 'state' EMPTY of stakeholders and then use majority rules process to elect people into those positions. Where-as Kingdoms the person is inherits the positions, decision making, and is the over-all ruler of all matters. He may have advisors, councils, other royals to consult with but at the end of the day the buck stops with the KING. The kingdom method revolves around the PEOPLE not the POSITION, in the nation state method it revolves around the position not the person.

That's why when you see Somalis praying for a good leader or good minister or good judge, they shouldn't be, technically speaking in nation state you should get the ideal person all the time because the position has been described what it's duties and responsibilities are, the criteria required from each person who fills the role, so forth. If this is followed properly it should ensure the best man for the job at all times. They do the same at job interviews, they recruit for the position and find the best person for the empty position. They already know what the position requires in terms of knowledge, skills and experience.

They only interview to see who fits the role. The western governance model is identical, they do the same to each role in ministry, courts, military officials, policing, bank, etc. They know what the duty of the role is, the responsibility, the criteria required from the candidate and they start interviewing candidates for it. Parties do this also, once they have formidable team, they go to election race and try to secure majority vote. If we want to do democracy and nation state building, you need to eliminate all our pre-existing culture and tribal set up which is next to impossible.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

When the peasants up-rised in Europe and destroyed they're old governance model of kings and queens and royal house. They found the peasants weren't suitable for any position, so they started to write down duties and responsibilities of each office, they actually designed the state 'empty' of stakeholders and just wrote down what each office required. They would use election process to find out who fills those positions thru majority rule among the peasants. It's not an ideal system at all. If we want this peasant system, we need to configure it the same. Write down the duties and responsibilities of each ministry, parliament, courts, presidency. Write down they're limitations.

We need to design the 'state' EMPTY of stakeholders and then use majority rules process to elect people into those positions. Where-as Kingdoms the person is inherits the positions, decision making, and is the over-all ruler of all matters. He may have advisors, councils, other royals to consult with but at the end of the day the buck stops with the KING. The kingdom method revolves around the PEOPLE not the POSITION, in the nation state method it revolves around the position not the person.

That's why when you see Somalis praying for a good leader or good minister or good judge, they shouldn't be, technically speaking in nation state you should get the ideal person all the time because the position has been described what it's duties and responsibilities are, the criteria required from each person who fills the role, so forth. If this is followed properly it should ensure the best man for the job at all times. They do the same at job interviews, they recruit for the position and find the best person for the empty position. They already know what the position requires in terms of knowledge, skills and experience.

They only interview to see who fits the role. The western governance model is identical, they do the same to each role in ministry, courts, military officials, policing, bank, etc. They know what the duty of the role is, the responsibility, the criteria required from the candidate and they start interviewing candidates for it. Parties do this also, once they have formidable team, they go to election race and try to secure majority vote. If we want to do democracy and nation state building, you need to eliminate all our pre-existing culture and tribal set up which is next to impossible.

Whenever boqor burhan returns to God , rather than his son no questions asked getting the positions, i suggest an agreed upon islaan, ugaas, nabadoon etc who's familiar with governance be selected by the islans and lesser by the ugass etc all the way down to the 4gen isim. I only do this to preserve the of integrity the crown, because having the crown in one sub tribe instills complacency and even leh jaceyl. But if an islaan/caaqil/nabadoon completes wondrous feats and rulership within his clan and region, one that surpasses the feats of the the king, then upon death of the king he should inherit the title of boqor. This will incentivise islaans and others to compete in productivity of their clans. Theres a need for a difference with the western models frequent elections, and is as follows:
The position becomes about who can talk better and deceive, for elections are only a months. Where as elections in this king-electorial model are lifelong amd positions are life long. When the possibilty of attaining kingship(madaxweyne) is at 70-80yrs olds you dont view the position as get rich/famous quick ploy, but rather you focus on working on your sub earnestly that you may one day be honoured with the title of supreme king. This will skyrocket productivity, trust me.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

For example, if you as 4thgen isim produce more billionaires in your jurisdiction, or more useful scientific innovations, or least crime.
You will up your chance of being islaan. But the chance of low ranking isims to skyrocket to boqor is slim seeing as the chips are small to begin with. Its easier for an islan to become boqor and probably most boqor-elect will be islaans or double-digit-gen isims, just because they have more chips to play with.

 

[DR OSMAN]

For example, if you as 4thgen isim produce more billionaires in your jurisdiction, or more useful scientific innovations, or least crime.
You will up your chance of being islaan. But the chance of low ranking isims to skyrocket to boqor is slim seeing as the chips are small to begin with. Its easier for an islan to become boqor and probably most boqor-elect will be islaans or double-digit-gen isims, just because they have more chips to play with.

Number quota may suffice or a generational rule. I know Bah Dubays has 4 elders or 'odayaal' which handle a section of us, then we have an 'caaqil' who is like the 'boqor' for us on all matters, plus we have a chief nabadoon that separate duties and provides advice to the 'caaqil' not the odayaal.

The odayaal or elders do not have duties or responsibilities of the caaqil or nabadoon. The odayaal ensure they're clan is stable, it's kind of 'devolved' government system, it goes down the lowest level of family units, it's definitely not a TOP down structure inside my clan anyways. It's bottom up, the odayaal feed the caaqil information of they're composition, male, female, criminals, any internal matters unresolved, external matters with other clans.

The Caaqil then resolves it. The caaqil duty is also to future plan the clan based on the odayaal information of different sections of the clan to increase they're business class, civil society, academics, researchers, poets, historians, religious class, they're warrior class. So the caaqil must keep the clan stable now but also plan for they're future in 100 years. They also ensure 'marriages' between themselves to other caaqil of similar 'worth' and stable clans or they try to marry up into ISLAAN level, it all depends on they're luck, timing, and so forth. Since the civil war though a-lot of this has been forgotten and they now just spend time on who is going to be my MP lol while they're clan has no growth watsoever.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

I wouldnt go as far as to say boqor burhan is boqor of somalis. He is boqor of darood. Dir should have their own boqor as should hawiye. Theres, truth be told too much difference between us tribally, considering we dont meet up ancestorally. Those 4 or 5 boqors should be like scotland ireland whales, a united-kingdom, then theyre ready for the world.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I wouldnt go as far as to say boqor burhan is boqor of somalis. He is boqor of darood. Dir should have their own boqor as should hawiye. Theres, truth be told too much difference between us tribally, considering we dont meet up ancestorally. Those 4 or 5 boqors should be like scotland ireland whales, a united-kingdom, then theyre ready for the world.

The only question is, I know for Hawiye. There is no supreme king among them. Hiraab came the closest with 'imam' abgaal having a say over all Hiraab descendants but that is so weakened by colonials it's not funny cuz the italians didn't accomodate the IMAM of abgaal, they made him into civilian. They didn't accomodate any pre-existing governance models, they pursued to jail or arrest anyone with power or say outside the 'state structures' of colonialism. Farmajo tries to do the same also have you noticed following his colonial overlords.

HG for example do not report to the imam abgaal under HIRAAB, heck HG doesn't even report to itself as they lack any unified ISIM between them. If they had united king, they're would be no green lines among them. For example murusade/duduble have a green line in elbur,

HG have greenlines with abgaal and was only lifted recently in mogadishu, when I was in MOG in 99 for dhaqan celis, I still clearly remember those checkpoints going into the north of mogadishu with abgaal soldiers all lined up protecting they're turf from HG. Down South it was split with murusade having a turf around sigaale or as the locals called it 'bermuda triangle' cuz once u go in, no-one ever walked out who wasn't MURUSADE. Afar qoble lol.

Plus the HG had green lines among themselves in Hamar with sacad, cayr, saleban. I remember saleban controlled hamar wayne areas, sacad around hodan district. Not sure about CAYR. But you see the same shit in Galmudug also. Baraxlay being sacad and then cadaado is saleban and dhusomareeb cayr with all green lines in between no common administration, no common ruler, he can barely move around without being killed or raped by his own brothers.

This is bad sign of any historical king or mamul among them, if they had an ancient mamul or king among them, it wouldn't be like that, they would be under some sort of clan 'xeer'. It seems like when keenadiid left them, he left a vacuum, like how when siyad left the south, it left them a vacuum. They couldn't revert to their ISIMO anymore as they were dis-empowered by the colonials, plus the leaders turned all warlords and just cared about investing into telecoms or hawalas and shit thru looted properties or isbaaro on road.

Those isbaaro weren't even used to deliver basic services, the warlords would build up they're own personal fortunes wallahi. I was there, I can vouch for this. They were not about government services at all, just developing they're own business empires.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

The only question is, I know for Hawiye. There is no supreme king among them. Hiraab came the closest with 'imam' abgaal having a say over all Hiraab descendants but that is so weakened by colonials it's not funny cuz the italians didn't accomodate the IMAM of abgaal, they made him into civilian. They didn't accomodate any pre-existing governance models, they pursued to jail or arrest anyone with power or say outside the 'state structures' of colonialism. Farmajo tries to do the same also have you noticed following his colonial overlords.

HG for example do not report to the imam abgaal under HIRAAB, heck HG doesn't even report to itself as they lack any unified ISIM between them. If they had united king, they're would be no green lines among them. For example murusade/duduble have a green line in elbur,

HG have greenlines with abgaal and was only lifted recently in mogadishu, when I was in MOG in 99 for dhaqan celis, I still clearly remember those checkpoints going into the north of mogadishu with abgaal soldiers all lined up protecting they're turf from HG. Down South it was split with murusade having a turf around sigaale or as the locals called it 'bermuda triangle' cuz once u go in, no-one ever walked out who wasn't MURUSADE. Afar qoble lol.

Plus the HG had green lines among themselves in Hamar with sacad, cayr, saleban. I remember saleban controlled hamar wayne areas, sacad around hodan district. Not sure about CAYR. But you see the same shit in Galmudug also. Baraxlay being sacad and then cadaado is saleban and dhusomareeb cayr with all green lines in between no common administration, no common ruler, he can barely move around without being killed or raped by his own brothers.

This is bad sign of any historical king or mamul among them, if they had an ancient mamul or king among them, it wouldn't be like that, they would be under some sort of clan 'xeer'.

Woah woah cool it with the green line talk and your ptsd from hamar. If memory serves this is when your wires touch and the conversation is derailed by insults and emotion.
Hawiye are working on a union. Hawiye have done worst to themselves than they did to darod. Hg-abgal relations are smoother than they've ever been.
I think they will be able to agree on a boqor. considering they allowed darood to rule them twice since 91.

Peace im turning in.

 

[Shaolin23]

I wouldnt go as far as to say boqor burhan is boqor of somalis. He is boqor of darood. Dir should have their own boqor as should hawiye. Theres, truth be told too much difference between us tribally, considering we dont meet up ancestorally. Those 4 or 5 boqors should be like scotland ireland whales, a united-kingdom, then theyre ready for the world.

Honest question when did Boqortooyada Majeerteen transform into Boqortooyada Daarood to my knowledge Darood hasn't had an overall boqor in a few centuries during the Sayids time warring with the colonialist there was a Sultanate of Warsangeli,Dervishes,Kingdom of Hobyo Kingdom of Majertenia nothing historically shows up as Kingdom of Darood please explain this to me I'm curious to know

 

[DR OSMAN]

Honest question when did Boqortooyada Majeerteen transform into Boqortooyada Daarood to my knowledge Darood hasn't had an overall boqor in a few centuries during the Sayids time warring with the colonialist there was a Sultanate of Warsangeli,Dervishes,Kingdom of Hobyo Kingdom of Majertenia nothing historically shows up as Kingdom of Darood please explain this to me I'm curious to know

Boqor Darod is cultural/traditional title, not a monarch title similar to queen elizabeth who has so many african countries as subject territories, they may not recognize her as queen or head of state but she found they're state. We can have different kingdoms like Majerteniya was separate Kingdom to Warsangeli Kingdom, but culturally and traditionally Boqor Burhan is the oldest of all the Sons of Darod, there is no dispute in this, except from you sade loyalists who disobey your own ugaas who knows who the Heir of Darod is.

We are not going to be under one supreme king, we are devolved monarchy with separate kingdoms and rulers. We are devolved even down to the family unit with 'odayaal' and caaqil ruler of multiple family units and sections up until sub-clan lineage level.

Reero are managed by ODAYAAL or as you know them elders.
Jufo is managed by Caaqil
Beelo is managed by Sultan, Ugaas, Garaad, Islan, Beeldaje, Amiir
Qabiil is managed by Boqor, but he also has 'monarch' authority over osman mahmoud clans-men clans-men but not other clans-men not even Majerten let alone Darod, he is only a figurehead role for other majerten or darod clans in tradition and culture sake and is invited to all darod clan matters to officiate such as clan ceremonials, conflict resolution, clan function openings, clan function closing, and sometimes asked to add his advice to they're matters as an impartial king, since he has like 36 generation worth of knowledge in cultural matters and is respected authority among Darod.

I think that's how they do it in traditional darod way. It's devolved monarchy system, it isn't one king power. No kingdom is based on one king rule anyways, they have they're esteemed courts of royals.

Bah Dubays is a 'jifi' so we are not above 'caaqil' level, we manage 'reero' inside bah dubays. This isn't the same as someone like Islaan Bashir or Islan Ciise who manage 'beelo' not just reero or jifi, they're managing multiple family units, multiple sub clans at the same time. Boqor Darod is managing not only his JIFI, but also Osman Mahmoud clan as a whole to a certain extent but also denoted as king over other darod clans culturally and traditionally but not in a monarch capacity or kingdom capacity.

I think the main benefit darod clans as whole get from Boqortoyo is cultural knowledge, we need to know how manage clans to ensure success and there is no-one with more knowledge alive today but Boqor Burhan who has 36 generations worth of knowledge to pass onto us. Darod clans need to return to they're roots and clan build, stop this hawiye nonsense of relying on 4 year politician. Stop this hawiye nonsense relying on 'madaxwayne' when it never existed before the 1960s, were we born in 1960s like hawiye? no. We had ISIMO, we had ROYALTY.

 

[Shaolin23]

Boqor Darod is cultural/traditional title, not a monarch title similar to queen elizabeth who has so many african countries a. We can have different kingdoms like Majerteniya was separate Kingdom to Warsangeli Kingdom, but culturally and traditionally Boqor Burhan is the oldest of all the Sons of Darod, there is no dispute in this, except from you sade loyalists who disobey your own ugaas who knows who the Heir of Darod is.

We are not going to be under one supreme king, we are devolved monarchy with separate kingdoms and rulers. We are devolved even down to the family unit with 'odayaal' and caaqil ruler of multiple family units and sections up until sub-clan lineage level.

Reero are managed by ODAYAAL
Jufo is managed by Caaqil
Beelo is managed by Sultan, Ugaas, Garaad, Islan, Beeldaje, Amiir
Qabiil is managed by Boqor, but he also has 'kingdom' function over Majerten clans-men but not other clans-men, he is only a figurehead role for other darod clans in tradition and culture sake and is invited to all darod clan matters to officiate such as openings, closing, and sometimes being selected to add his advice to they're matters as an impartial king.

I think that's how they do it in traditional darod way. It's devolved monarchy system, it isn't one king power. No kingdom is based on one king rule anyways, they have they're esteemed courts of royals

I know how the traditional process works and it makes sense to me. I disagree on your first born first right of rule thing maybe with MJ that's the case but not always in other Darood's Jidwaaq used to be traditional head of Absame but hogaanka waxaa la wareegay Ogadeen same as us Khalaf Gowracne is older than Ugaas Sharmake Diini I say that to say is first born first being implemented by MJ did a traditional meeting occur between Darood subclans garaads ugaases suldaan to shift hogaanka to Cusman Maxamuud or not

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Honest question when did Boqortooyada Majeerteen transform into Boqortooyada Daarood to my knowledge Darood hasn't had an overall boqor in a few centuries during the Sayids time warring with the colonialist there was a Sultanate of Warsangeli,Dervishes,Kingdom of Hobyo Kingdom of Majertenia nothing historically shows up as Kingdom of Darood please explain this to me I'm curious to know

Its like the japanese emperor,only recently in the 1800s did the emperor reclaim the throne from the shogunnates, yet they claim 100 generation of emperors. Caadi iska dhig ina adeer

Between the fourth century and the ninth century, Japan's many kingdoms and tribes gradually came to be unified under a centralized government, nominally controlled by the Emperor. This imperial dynasty continues to reign over Japan. In 794, a new imperial capital was established at Heian-kyō (modern Kyoto), marking the beginning of the Heian period, which lasted until 1185. The Heian period is considered a golden age of classical Japanese culture. Japanese religious life from this time and onwards was a mix of native Shinto practices and Buddhism.

Over the following centuries, the power of the Emperor and the imperial court gradually declined, passing first to great clans of civilian aristocrats – most notably the Fujiwara – and then to the military clans and their armies of samurai. The Minamoto clan under Minamoto no Yoritomo emerged victorious from the Genpei War of 1180–85, defeating their rival military clan, the Taira. After seizing power, Yoritomo set up his capital in Kamakura and took the title of shōgun. In 1274 and 1281, the Kamakura shogunate withstood two Mongol invasions, but in 1333 it was toppled by a rival claimant to the shogunate, ushering in the Muromachi period. During the Muromachi period regional warlords called daimyōs grew in power at the expense of the shōgun. Eventually, Japan descended into a period of civil war. Over the course of the late sixteenth century, Japan was reunified under the leadership of the prominent daimyō Oda Nobunaga and his successor Toyotomi Hideyoshi. After Hideyoshi's death in 1598, Tokugawa Ieyasu came to power and was appointed shōgun by the Emperor. The Tokugawa shogunate, which governed from Edo (modern Tokyo), presided over a prosperous and peaceful era known as the Edo period (1600–1868). The Tokugawa shogunate imposed a strict class system on Japanese society and cut off almost all contact with the outside world.

The American Perry Expedition in 1853–54 more completely ended Japan's seclusion; this contributed to the fall of the shogunate and the return of power to the Emperor during the Boshin War in 1868.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Its like the japanese emperor,only recently in the 1800s did the emperor reclaim the throne from the shogunnates, yet they claim 100 generation of emperors. Caadi iska dhig ina adeer

The King of Darod has 36 generation of royalty history backing him there is simply no-one with that sort of history alive today, I am sure his advice would be much sought after by all Darod clans in terms of clan building, conflict resolution, traditional clan matter like selection of elder-caaqil-sultans, how to select, the process, the duration of term such as 'dhaxal' life-time or 'rotating'.

In my Bah dubays it is 'dhaxal' for Caaqil and Nabadoon, but it's not dhaxal for 'odayaal' inside our family units as it can rotate based on who-ever is best to be spokes-person for that section or group of bah dubays. Bah Dubays is about 10k in population and that is male/female.

I assume 5k for females because our diya only counts males not females, but you can assume another 50% for females as that is usually the ratio between male/female. Our command center is Caaqil(dhaxal) and Nabadoon(dhaxal).

The reason for dhaxal in those two areas being critical is so we develop lot's of historical knowledge and we don't have huge casualty rates in to many wars with other clans and to ensure we make strategic clan building decisions be it marriages or investment into different reero to pursue clan objectives for us where we are weak depending on our clan base while forming our unified position inside Osman Mahmoud, but we also need to take into consideration our 'residential' area which is 'nugaal', since we lack any other osman mahmoud in the area as back up.

Arimaha degaanka is critical to us and another big reason we chose the 'dhaxal' route so we don't test and try new caaqil and cause devastating trial/error in a neighborhood where we are indeed a minority not the majority, this can set us back few centuries if we don't tread carefully with our delicate numbers and it undo so much hard work since the 1870's until now. No joke nearly 150 years of careful planned clan building can go into ruin.

Maybe if you live among your own clan, you can take these 'risks' but you can't take these risks when your not. Well we weighed up the cost to benefit of dhaxal vs rotation and we were not willing to wear the cost of rotation to our clan survival.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Its like the japanese emperor,only recently in the 1800s did the emperor reclaim the throne from the shogunnates, yet they claim 100 generation of emperors. Caadi iska dhig ina adeer

We even make use of our 'useless' bah dubays like the khat chewers, unstable types, etc or jobless ones. These have increased largely since the civil war. They were primarily nomadic in the past and still are but not as much as before, with the down-fall of the govt, the increased rate of unemployment, khat chewing has definitely increased.

But we make use of these thru 'soldier' we only make sure they leave kids behind before they sign up, which is another rule we apply for soldiers. We need to ensure there is no generational impact on they're death if they have 5-8 kids left behind. Our soldiers have increased heavily since 1991 to now, which seems to be our more important class now, but in the past it wasn't when there was a good government to build your clan from.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Shegato maangaab,

Why are you on a public forum trying to dissect Omar Maxamoud? If you were a true MJ/OM, this is personal talk and not for public consumption.

Dr Osman, you also give too much information about your Bah Dubeys.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Shegato maangaab,

Why are you on a public forum trying to dissect Omar Maxamoud? If you were a true MJ/OM, this is personal talk and not for public consumption.

Dr Osman, you also give too much information about your Bah Dubeys.

Yeah I should stop that. I can only talk about clan conferences my father has been to among bah dubays since his father had 'dhaxal' title according to them, it's quite amazing how they work together for common goals, I suspect it's like that in PL or where else they develop it.