I wish the Renaissance never happened!

[Yaquub]

I know we all hate being in the west Westbeing discriminated against....but let's face it guys...we did this to ourselves. Contrary to popular belief Africans and Arabs and other Muslims enjoyed their civilisations before Europeans came out of the dark ages in Spain....some African civilisations before that that competed with the Greeks and the Persians will never be acknowledged by racist historians so forget about that and just accept recent history before the Renaissance, where Muslims of all races contributed to the advancement of European civilisation. However due to us Muslims and Africans lacking unity we destroyed each of our own civilisations and as a result they are rarely acknowledged and are ignored by racists when trying to bellitle other races's contributions to the world. I'm sorry but the true imbeciles are those that believe that a continent that birthed all of mankind had never sat on a civilidation, when it was where all mankind came from and was most likely the location of the tower of Babel since Africa was the only known continent in time where all of mankind once existed together after the flood.

The bottomline is that our hatred for each other has allowed our enemies to erase us from the history and has placed our descendants at a great disadvantage. what you see today is the result of a comglumeration of bitter andbutter and envious poor men that came out of a civil war with the Romans that tried to civilise them, that envied the success of the Muslims in Spain and vowed never to rest until they could take that success from them. This enmity between poor Europeans and Muslims led to the eventual conquest and collapse of the center of Muslim contributions and we were forever erase from the history by jealous historians. I also think that this jealousy for previous civilisations is what led to Europeans today attempting to instill fear and inferiority in the other races in hopes that their kingdom will never be torn from them again. Yet the hadiths have already guaranteed Muslim conquest over Europe and the Europeans know this and fear the uprising! God is on our side and as they had made the natives extinction so shall they be made small in numbers in their own land. Don't believe me read the hadiths about the Romans becoming a minority in their land and finally becoming fed up and trying to fight the Muslims. They will ultimately lose the war to come because they will invoke the help the cross stained with the blood of millions and it will not answer them, yet Allah will answer us.

For those European lovers! I have no issues with them, just the prophecy is clear and kufars will lose in the end.

 

[The alchemist]

Aren't you a little to extreme? Shouldn't you advocate for more balanced eduction in history in western education that highlights the islamic golden age and the african civilisations and the countless polymaths, scholars and intellectuals that came from it. The renaissance was a continuation of that process, and it led to many scientific discovery and new intellectual doctrines that you enjoy today like medicine and many other things. There is of course a clear propaganda in the educational system that leaves out important information about other nations histories contributions to the human evolvement. But china is even worse, they leave out everyone but themselves. And there are many bad elements in the western civilisation, but you shouln't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

And you have a good point that we turned on each other and let the enemy divide and qonquer to weaken us, and let the descendants in an overwhelming disadvantageous position.

Maybe you are right with the prophecy thing, but you should also not make everything black and white, because an extremist would use the same arguments to justify his worldview.

 

[Yaquub]

Aren't you a little to extreme? Shouldn't you advocate for more balanced eduction in history in western education that highlights the islamic golden age and the african civilisations and the countless polymaths, scholars and intellectuals that came from it. The renaissance was a continuation of that process, and it led to many scientific discovery and new intellectual doctrines that you enjoy today like medicine and many other things. There is of course a clear propaganda in the educational system that leaves out important information about other nations histories contributions to the human evolvement. But china is even worse, they leave out everyone but themselves. And there are many bad elements in the western civilisation, but you shouln't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

And you have a good point that we turned on each other and let the enemy divide and qonquer to weaken us, and let the descendants in an overwhelming disadvantageous position.

Maybe you are right with the prophecy thing, but you should also not make everything black and white, because an extremist would use the same arguments to justify his worldview.

Good point! i was just lamenting our current position. Lets be honest muslim rule in spain included various races of muslims and the society that they lived in could have been improved upon in terms of addtional knowledge being gained but the level of cooperation that all races involced brought to the table is what truly allowed spain to flourish....something that hte racists will vehemently deny till this day. Sure things were not perfect but they lived by god's rule and there was nor petty racism that exists in the European's so called perfectly civilised world. The difference is we built a kingdom for all to share in and like in ancient babylon we achiever what our ancient ancestors achieved long before harmony with various races and therefore excelled at a much faster rates than the western world who were not aware at the time that unity leads to intellectual advancement. Only when the kingdom became divided did we lose the greatness that we had and eventually the savages became the enlightened ones and erase us from the history as if we never existed. Though they will not admit it! our combined civilisation was far greater than theirs because it allowed jews to live in peace amongst muslims (Something not possible anywhere else at the time) and was a more inclusive society rather than a selfish and non altruistic society that followed whenever Europeans assumed hegemony of the world. We built a world based on the principles of god's rule, where as theirs is based on greed and lust for power. Which is why ultimately their power will not last forever, hence the various hints about european hegemony collapsing in the hadiths and the vision of daniel about the divided roman kingdom at the end of times with clay mixed in with iron. The iron represents the romans and the clay represents their weakened grip on their former colonies and the immigrants usurping them as we speak.

 

[Ape]

Due to its small size, europe easily gets access to the near east, north africa, and Mesopotamia. For example, egypt and Mesopotamia were the known world but due to greece being right next door, the mycean greeks grew and from that point, they spread like wild fire and the phoenicians (the predecessors of the carthaginians) were also involved. Many innovations and science contributions were made all due to the growth of the tiny myceana civilisation. The romans then grew because of greece and carthage then the empire was set to dominate Europe. Bear in mind, the northern europeans were considered uncivilised and did not have a written language for thousands of years until the roman invasion of germania and Britain. The fall of rome lead to a massive change of english culture. What my point is, no single people group is more clever than the other. Humans rely on each other. How germany went from tribal german groups to a great central european country is due to the romans who need to thank the greeks who need to thank the Hittites and egyptians who need to all thank sumer and egypt who need to thank themselves

 

[The alchemist]

Good point! i was just lamenting our current position. Lets be honest muslim rule in spain included various races of muslims and the society that they lived in could have been improved upon in terms of addtional knowledge being gained but the level of cooperation that all races involced brought to the table is what truly allowed spain to flourish....something that hte racists will vehemently deny till this day. Sure things were not perfect but they lived by god's rule and there was nor petty racism that exists in the European's so called perfectly civilised world. The difference is we built a kingdom for all to share in and like in ancient babylon we achiever what our ancient ancestors achieved long before harmony with various races and therefore excelled at a much faster rates than the western world who were not aware at the time that unity leads to intellectual advancement. Only when the kingdom became divided did we lose the greatness that we had and eventually the savages became the enlightened ones and erase us from the history as if we never existed. Though they will not admit it! our combined civilisation was far greater than theirs because it allowed jews to live in peace amongst muslims (Something not possible anywhere else at the time) and was a more inclusive society rather than a selfish and non altruistic society that followed whenever Europeans assumed hegemony of the world. We built a world based on the principles of god's rule, where as theirs is based on greed and lust for power. Which is why ultimately their power will not last forever, hence the various hints about european hegemony collapsing in the hadiths and the vision of daniel about the divided roman kingdom at the end of times with clay mixed in with iron. The iron represents the romans and the clay represents their weakened grip on their former colonies and the immigrants usurping them as we speak.

You know how right-wing anti immigration, and race realist say that the white race are going extinct and they need to be the majority or the western civilization and values are going to break down, and they point to ancient rome as a example? Well this is a lie and you should wath this video that debunks that notion

 

[4head]

Keep living in your dream, muslims live in the poorest countries in this world.
No Army in that region will be able to defeat a single Western country.
Muslims are living in dreams. Wake up and build your countries.

 

[Yaquub]

Keep living in your dream, muslims live in the poorest countries in this world.
No Army in that region will be able to defeat a single Western country.
Muslims are living in dreams. Wake up and build your countries.

It's not an army that conquers. Numbers win! and most wars are won by guerrilla warfare sxb. You can't nuke your own home. I suggest you study the history of the americas. If new technology won wars then terrorists wouldn't exist and we'd live in a martial law state.

Your right about one thing! muslims need to focus on their own countries but we also need some to keep an eye on the dangerous racist europeans. They can never be trusted alone to plot again and the jews know this.

 

[4head]

It's not an army that conquers. Numbers win! and most wars are won by guerrilla warfare sxb. You can't nuke your own home. I suggest you study the history of the americas. If new technology won wars then terrorists wouldn't exist and we'd live in a martial law state.

Your right about one thing! muslims need to focus on their own countries but we also need some to keep an eye on the dangerous racist europeans. They can never be trusted alone to plot again and the jews know this.

Stop with the jews. They work for their country and they do their best for their PEOPLE. Unlike muslims.
Dreams if they can be true, then I'm waiting to see Somalia as a country and as a liveable country..
Not some fantasy from a forum

 

[Yaquub]

Stop with the jews. They work for their country and they do their best for their PEOPLE. Unlike muslims.
Dreams if they can be true, then I'm waiting to see Somalia as a country and as a liveable country..
Not some fantasy from a forum

True but the jews don't trust europeans. You don't think they have some mossad agents spying on the europeans just in case they plot another holocaust?

What i'm saying is we can improve back home, but we must not make the same mistake our ancestors did and must keep a close eye on the rest of the world. If they develop new arms we must also do the same to defend our land. Africans were gullible and naive which is why we couldn't compete in the arms race that changed history.

 

[Ape]

Stop with the jews. They work for their country and they do their best for their PEOPLE. Unlike muslims.
Dreams if they can be true, then I'm waiting to see Somalia as a country and as a liveable country..
Not some fantasy from a forum

You cant use jews as an example... they own the global economy.

 

[4head]

You cant use jews as an example... they own the global economy.

well, when you have an IQ of 120 on average and you care about your own people rather the strangers, you will have more success than the 68iq somali:siilaanyosmile:

 

[The alchemist]

Due to its small size, europe easily gets access to the near east, north africa, and Mesopotamia. For example, egypt and Mesopotamia were the known world but due to greece being right next door, the mycean greeks grew and from that point, they spread like wild fire and the phoenicians (the predecessors of the carthaginians) were also involved. Many innovations and science contributions were made all due to the growth of the tiny myceana civilisation. The romans then grew because of greece and carthage then the empire was set to dominate Europe. Bear in mind, the northern europeans were considered uncivilised and did not have a written language for thousands of years until the roman invasion of germania and Britain. The fall of rome lead to a massive change of english culture. What my point is, no single people group is more clever than the other. Humans rely on each other. How germany went from tribal german groups to a great central european country is due to the romans who need to thank the greeks who need to thank the Hittites and egyptians who need to all thank sumer and egypt who need to thank themselves

You are absolutely correct! People in scandinavia that have the highest standard of living on average were savages in the same time nubians and habeshas had civilisations and writing systems for thousands of years. I live in norway, and in school we learned about european civilisation, and it starts with athens and rome. But the funny thing was, the greeks hated the nordic, francs and the germans and called them barbaric and primitive people, they didn't look at them like they were the same people. At the same time the early greek philosphers and historians drew inspiration from ancient egypt, which already had a civilisations for over thousands of years. They also had contact with the phoneticians and persians, and the babylonians and northeast africans as trade partners. Civiliation is not a process that happens in vacum. Everyone influences one another and adopt good information and doctrines that will further lead them to better systems. It is all tied together as you've pointet out. The greeks died out because they didn't include other people into their nation and had no intrerest to expand, romans took lesson from that failure and counquerd other lands, and made them officially romans which expanded romes cultrual reach and influence and people saw many benefits in that inclusion. So roman empire benefitted greatly from other cultures also. They for example gave some of the germanic tribes som representation in their politics, which was not a common thing in those times, but an effective strategy. People like to be represented and rome used that to their advantage. Do you remember "no taxation without represtation", the americans didn't want to be taxed by the british if they had no political power in britain, and the brits refused, which led the american revolution.

 

[Hatredfree]

Italian renaissance wasn't that much of a stand out achievement cadaans seem to make it be really everyone painted art's and stuff apart from the savage North European tribes that sacked the roman empire.

Eventually everyone would have had their own innovation success but colonialism made sure that never happened.

 

[Yaquub]

Italian renaissance wasn't that much of a stand out achievement cadaans seem to make it be really everyone painted art's and stuff apart from the savage North European tribes that sacked the roman empire.

Eventually everyone would have had their own innovation success but colonialism made sure that never happened.

You can't blame that on europeans. Africans weren't all running around naked for millions of years. It goes against the same theory of evolution that they preach. Africans just destroyed any chances they had of creating long lasting civilisations due to constantly participating in tribal fights. Europeans just took advantage of it. We could have taken advantage of their war with the romans and the vikings to do the same thing to them, but history took a different course.

 

[Hatredfree]

You can't blame that on europeans. Africans weren't all running around naked for millions of years. It goes against the same theory of evolution that they preach. Africans just destroyed any chances they had of creating long lasting civilisations due to constantly participating in tribal fights. Europeans just took advantage of it. We could have taken advantage of their war with the romans and the vikings to do the same thing to them, but history took a different course.

Europeans were way more diplomatic that's where they outpaced the rest. They fought eachother but united under Christian solidarity, Muslims had that and it was the reason for Muslim conquest success.

Africans lacked unifying goal that's why we lost in the end.

 

[The alchemist]

well, when you have an IQ of 120 on average and you care about your own people rather the strangers, you will have more success than the 68iq somali:siilaanyosmile:

The concept of iq is not scientiffic and is not taken serious in the scientiffic community. Jews are more culturally focused on education because the europeans didn't allow them to get most jobs, so it was only in the educational field and whitecollar like banking they got jobs, and that made them more focused in those fields to this day and shaped their culture also.

 

[The alchemist]

Europeans were way more diplomatic that's where they outpaced the rest. They fought eachother but united under Christian solidarity, Muslims had that and it was the reason for Muslim conquest success.

Africans lacked unifying goal that's why we lost at the end.

Actually, yes and no. Europeans after the collapse of the western roman empire went through a dark age under the catholic rule, but the islamic civilisation was actually much more advanced.

 

[Ape]

well, when you have an IQ of 120 on average and you care about your own people rather the strangers, you will have more success than the 68iq somali:siilaanyosmile:

Thats not the point. Jews know that islam is the true religion hence their aim is to cause suffering and make muslims fall into the ‘trap’

 

[Ape]

You are absolutely correct! People in scandinavia that have the highest standard of living on average were savages in the same time nubians and habeshas had civilisations and writing systems for thousands of years. I live in norway, and in school we learned about european civilisation, and it starts with athens and rome. But the funny thing was, the greeks hated the nordic, francs and the germans and called them barbaric and primitive people, they didn't look at them like they were the same people. At the same time the early greek philosphers and historians drew inspiration from ancient egypt, which already had a civilisations for over thousands of years. They also had contact with the phoneticians and persians, and the babylonians and northeast africans as trade partners. Civiliation is not a process that happens in vacum. Everyone influences one another and adopt good information and doctrines that will further lead them to better systems. It is all tied together as you've pointet out. The greeks died out because they didn't include other people into their nation and had no intrerest to expand, romans took lesson from that failure and counquerd other lands, and made them officially romans which expanded romes cultrual reach and influence and people saw many benefits in that inclusion. So roman empire benefitted greatly from other cultures also. They for example gave some of the germanic tribes som representation in their politics, which was not a common thing in those times, but an effective strategy. People like to be represented and rome used that to their advantage. Do you remember "no taxation without represtation", the americans didn't want to be taxed by the british if they had no political power in britain, and the brits refused, which led the american revolution.

Mah nigga wallahi. Spot on! Civilisation is not special to one person or people group. The whites of northern europe were primitive low classes until the spread of Christianity. I call it the chain reaction phenomenon or widely known as the butterfly effect

 

[Hatredfree]

Actually, yes and no. Europeans after the collapse of the western roman empire went through a dark age under the catholic rule, but the islamic civilisation was actually much more advanced.

The northern part of the Roman Empire went into dark ages and ruled by the church, the eastern part remained pagan and didn't go through the dark ages some city states in Italy like Florence remained pagan (where Italian renaissance would start) as well the eastern benzentine of the old roman empire it was wasn't until very much later those parts become Christian after Constantinople the eastern king of the Roman empire adopted Christianity for political reasons.