I Want The West To Survive

[DR OSMAN]

I won't lie but I don't want to see the world order change, They are the most responsible lot out of a whole mix of potential worse options. I know lots of people criticize them and a-lot of it may be justified but that doesn't mean their is a better alternative.

The people who criticize everything/anything are like the 91 warlords/rebel group types and they create a situation worse then what they criticized. I see this also in the workplace or institutions, people have 'loud' mouths and criticize a-lot, but I know they have no better alternative which means it will lead to 91 vacuum scenario.

I've noticed with human behavior they are always critical of any system or order structure and when it disappears, it doesn't get 'better' and by default they produce something far worse. So I am very conscious with 'opposition' and I hope Somalis are also, not just in Somalia but anywhere in life.

What are the competing world order? let's review their idealogy and maturity.

1. Russia, A Democracy in name only and really an ethno-nationalist idealogy(russian supremacy, russian unity, all identity level crap) which will lead to a 'fascist' knock-on effect world-wide as every nations re-designs itself as an ethno-nationalist to defend their identity/heritage.

2. China. A Dictatorship, Ethno-Nationalist also like Russia with chinese communist characteristic. Anti God. Anti Human Rights. A Brilliant World Order. They don't tend to have colonial history nor future colonial agenda, but some question they use the economic route for it's global goal(which they don't define) meaning possible 'global vacuum' like 91 warlords did to us.

3. Caliphate. Their using multiple strategies and islamists in different theaters and 'postures' thru economic, political parties, universities, militant fronts, charities like orphanages in different sunni Islam theaters to unite it under an Islamic bloc with Turkey 'Erdogan' as a Caliph like the commonwealth. They will get pakistan to knowledge transer nuclear or at the very least provide nuclear protection. They will use Gulf Money like(qatar) to finance it.

They will use Egypt especially syed qutb as their philosopher. Many in Somalia have fallen for it and live in Qatar(atom) or Egypt(ina salad). What scenario will this produce? well in a 'war' scenario, the west 'public' can't with-stand a war due to the side-effect of 'wealth', where-as islamic world can with-stand a war. This a brutal 'edge'.

Another possible scenario is they develop their wealth profile to match the west stealthly before attack. Another possible scenario is use their location/spheres between europe-asia on-land and mari-time to keep them hostage to caliphate interest.

Their philosophy doesn't lead to world in co-existence and mutual respect, but more division on identity(infidel world, muslim world), the weakest form of identity also is 'faith'. Faith is invisible and not something between humans but between god n individuals. Only god knows your faith, not other humans, it's a ridiculous system to use to govern people on 'invisibility'.

Summary

When you see the above situation and scenarios, Why wouldn't I be pro-west? yes their not perfect but it beats global vacuum, beats fascist nations fighting over identity or religious war. The spirit of Human Right is supreme to all that lowly identity crap and people can finally co-exist, rather then chasing each other around like monkeys on who is right or wrong.

The measure of Human right is based on the 'freedom and equality' of what you disagree with not what you agree with. We are all children of adam and adam was given the gift of freedom to make his own choices whether good or bad and that ability should never be taken away by other humans or your going against the spirit of humanity which means to me, you won't last long anyways.

I know my peers in my time period will disagree with me in Somalia, but Im not here to convince you, I am here to hope one day your kids and their kids see my philosophy and judge it and declare me ahead of time/peers.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Just because Im Praising the west, doesn't mean I think their perfect. I think their the best out of all the alternative available. I don't agree with democracy for poor/uneducated countries and countries who lack freedom, as these pillars exist in successful countries with democracy. I believe poor-uneducated-lack of freedom societies need to develop this first before migrating towards a democracy.

I believe these are pre-requirements that are needed first or else it will become a weak democracy or even a democracy in name only.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I also hold fundamentally true, any idea no matter how strong theoritically and practically backed up should always be 'trialled' in a small area first before it is expanded. Why? you need to demonstrate the idea works first as a proto-type for people to be confident. An example, how PL built itself 'first' and then 'Somalia'.

We shouldn't give any time of day someone idiotic nationalist who think he has a great idea but can't prove it by applying it to his 'village' first so people can observe. I don't believe in 'radical, swift full system change', it's against evolution, change must be incremental and incremental must accumulate slowly/safely before it reaches completion state.

If anyone comes to you with their 'idea' and say 'adopt it nationally' be suspicious inu 'dan kale lee yahay' or else he would come to you if he is genuine showing you how it works in his 'village or tuulo' first to give you confidence he isn't hiding a 'destruction' agenda for you to bring you down to his 'level'.


King Ibnul King can't be fooled 'easily'

but we are also balanced not to dismiss all 'ideas' as long as they follow 'nidaam' to demonstrate it.

 

[Odious Delirium]

I don't and they will fall at the end of the day the world is the way it is all around because of the west the whole world is a product of the western world ever since globalisation took hold. everywhere you go western hegemony is present in every factor of life around the planet.

Africa/asian etc are the way they are because of the west.

 

[HiraanBorn]

No one stays dominant for long, any quick look at history will inform you of that reality. The West is getting socially and maybe even militarily weaker, get used to it.

 

[𝕃𝕠𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕙𝕣𝕖𝕤𝕙]

No one stays dominant for long, any quick look at history will inform you of that reality. The West is getting socially and maybe even militarily weaker, get used to it.

 

[bidenkulaha]

No one stays dominant for long, any quick look at history will inform you of that reality. The West is getting socially and maybe even militarily weaker, get used to it.

In the past you couldn’t rely on migration to increase your workforce as you age and have less children.

Planes have changed everything imo. I can see the West being dominant for a few more centuries. One thing they do well is take over the culture of other countries. Quite a few Asians countries are now indistinguishable from the West, similar is happening in Africa

 

[HiraanBorn]

Quite a few Asians countries are now indistinguishable from the West, similar is happening in Africa

Many of those Asians & African countries are Western only in an outward sense but inward they are still as they always were. The system of governance and legal framework has changed to become Western-like sure but the mindset is still mostly non-Western in most of non-White societies.

Probably by the late 2040s to early 2050s, it's likely we will see the West drastically weakened if not completely overshadowed by China and other influential non-White societies. I say this because the West is rotting itself from the inside in more ways than one and at most all they can pull off is some sort of limited damage control (which explains the rise of far-right parties in many White countries).

 

[bidenkulaha]

Many of those Asians & African countries are Western only in an outward sense but inward they are still as they always were. The system of governance and legal framework has changed to become Western-like sure but the mindset is still mostly non-Western in most of non-White societies.

Probably by the late 2040s to early 2050s, it's likely we will see the West drastically weakened if not completely overshadowed by China and other influential non-White societies. I say this because the West is rotting itself from the inside in more ways than one and at most all they can pull off is some sort of limited damage control (which explains the rise of far-right parties in many White countries).

I don’t buy it, this guy is a good guy to follow and talks about the dominance of American culture across the world. They have an enticing story and appeal to people’s instincts


He’s Turkish and an Islamist but talks about how Turkish politics will eventually follow the trend of its Americanised Youth. There’s nothing that Islamist parties are doing to counter the American freedom/liberal narrative at grassroots

 

[Dima&Damo]

The west will fall when their military is filled with immigrants

 

[Yibir_]

I won't lie but I don't want to see the world order change, They are the most responsible lot out of a whole mix of potential worse options. I know lots of people criticize them and a-lot of it may be justified but that doesn't mean their is a better alternative.

The people who criticize everything/anything are like the 91 warlords/rebel group types and they create a situation worse then what they criticized. I see this also in the workplace or institutions, people have 'loud' mouths and criticize a-lot, but I know they have no better alternative which means it will lead to 91 vacuum scenario.

I've noticed with human behavior they are always critical of any system or order structure and when it disappears, it doesn't get 'better' and by default they produce something far worse. So I am very conscious with 'opposition' and I hope Somalis are also, not just in Somalia but anywhere in life.

What are the competing world order? let's review their idealogy and maturity.

1. Russia, A Democracy in name only and really an ethno-nationalist idealogy(russian supremacy, russian unity, all identity level crap) which will lead to a 'fascist' knock-on effect world-wide as every nations re-designs itself as an ethno-nationalist to defend their identity/heritage.

2. China. A Dictatorship, Ethno-Nationalist also like Russia with chinese communist characteristic. Anti God. Anti Human Rights. A Brilliant World Order. They don't tend to have colonial history nor future colonial agenda, but some question they use the economic route for it's global goal(which they don't define) meaning possible 'global vacuum' like 91 warlords did to us.

3. Caliphate. Their using multiple strategies and islamists in different theaters and 'postures' thru economic, political parties, universities, militant fronts, charities like orphanages in different sunni Islam theaters to unite it under an Islamic bloc with Turkey 'Erdogan' as a Caliph like the commonwealth. They will get pakistan to knowledge transer nuclear or at the very least provide nuclear protection. They will use Gulf Money like(qatar) to finance it.

They will use Egypt especially syed qutb as their philosopher. Many in Somalia have fallen for it and live in Qatar(atom) or Egypt(ina salad). What scenario will this produce? well in a 'war' scenario, the west 'public' can't with-stand a war due to the side-effect of 'wealth', where-as islamic world can with-stand a war. This a brutal 'edge'.

Another possible scenario is they develop their wealth profile to match the west stealthly before attack. Another possible scenario is use their location/spheres between europe-asia on-land and mari-time to keep them hostage to caliphate interest.

Their philosophy doesn't lead to world in co-existence and mutual respect, but more division on identity(infidel world, muslim world), the weakest form of identity also is 'faith'. Faith is invisible and not something between humans but between god n individuals. Only god knows your faith, not other humans, it's a ridiculous system to use to govern people on 'invisibility'.

Summary

When you see the above situation and scenarios, Why wouldn't I be pro-west? yes their not perfect but it beats global vacuum, beats fascist nations fighting over identity or religious war. The spirit of Human Right is supreme to all that lowly identity crap and people can finally co-exist, rather then chasing each other around like monkeys on who is right or wrong.

The measure of Human right is based on the 'freedom and equality' of what you disagree with not what you agree with. We are all children of adam and adam was given the gift of freedom to make his own choices whether good or bad and that ability should never be taken away by other humans or your going against the spirit of humanity which means to me, you won't last long anyways.

I know my peers in my time period will disagree with me in Somalia, but Im not here to convince you, I am here to hope one day your kids and their kids see my philosophy and judge it and declare me ahead of time/peers.

Civilisational collapse = collective suffering. That alone should be enough for people not hope and wish for the fall of nations.

The philosophy of the liberal west was admirable until the reprehensible repurposing of the shrine of humanism, to service the pleasurable over the fulfilling and to protect personal freedoms at the expense of civic liberty: 21st century Man, as a result of the synthesis and execution of western philosophies, is less free than his predecessors; his culturally instigated immorality leads to sin, sin incites passion and passion clouds judgement - rational thought is a prerequisite for freewill and it is this that differentiates man from animal, the immoral man does not think and therefore relegates himself to a level beneath a beast “God is dead, we have killed [ourselves]!”.

*immoral/sin: in understanding the popularised hatred of religion and its rigid structures, take these words to mean a transgression unto oneself in mind and body instead of a transgression against god. Also, try to understand the context in which they are written and the clear implication therein, that is the impediment of one’s freewill.

 

[Yibir_]

In the past you couldn’t rely on migration to increase your workforce as you age and have less children.

Planes have changed everything imo. I can see the West being dominant for a few more centuries. One thing they do well is take over the culture of other countries. Quite a few Asians countries are now indistinguishable from the West, similar is happening in Africa

This. A cultural inquisition, instead of an ethnic/racial one will be very successful if it is adjusted to cater to the complex histories of the various peoples it is being imposed upon. However, aside from some ideological circles, this is not a common sentiment as, the preaching of ‘western values’ is done through the love of mammon instead mutual respect and understanding - ‘converted’ nations will, therefore, change their orbits to allign with whomever is blessed the most in worldly possessions.

 

[HiraanBorn]

I don’t buy it, this guy is a good guy to follow and talks about the dominance of American culture across the world. They have an enticing story and appeal to people’s instincts


He’s Turkish and an Islamist but talks about how Turkish politics will eventually follow the trend of its Americanised Youth. There’s nothing that Islamist parties are doing to counter the American freedom/liberal narrative at grassroots

Yeah, that's the culture of the elite rich of said non-Western countries. You're missing the point sxb, the majority of the population of these countries are conservative and value their own cultural mindset rather than the American one. Even among the elite (Turkey included) there are traditionalists who dislike American cultural influence and aim to counter it.

I know you are a die-hard shill for America but one must look at reality from time to time.

"And [remember, O Muḥammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allāh plans. And Allāh is the best of planners."
-Surah 8 Verse 30

 

[HiraanBorn]

Civilisational collapse = collective suffering. That alone should be enough for people not hope and wish for the fall of nations.

The philosophy of the liberal west was admirable until the reprehensible repurposing of the shrine of humanism, to service the pleasurable over the fulfilling and to protect personal freedoms at the expense of civic liberty: 21st century Man, as a result of the synthesis and execution of western philosophies, is less free than his predecessors; his culturally instigated immorality leads to sin, sin incites passion and passion clouds judgement - rational thought is a prerequisite for freewill and it is this that differentiates man from animal, the immoral man does not think and therefore relegates himself to a level beneath a beast “God is dead, we have killed [ourselves]!”.

*immoral/sin: in understanding the popularised hatred of religion and its rigid structures, take these words to mean a transgression unto oneself in mind and body instead of a transgression against god. Also, try to understand the context in which they are written and the clear implication therein, that is the impediment of one’s freewill.

The ramblings of a man who thinks too much. The resurgence of Muslim power must arise from the ashes of the burning of Western civilisation. The longer they remain dominant the longer Islam will be undersiege.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Yeah, that's the culture of the elite rich of said non-Western countries. You're missing the point sxb, the majority of the population of these countries are conservative and value their own cultural mindset rather than the American one. Even among the elite (Turkey included) there are traditionalists who dislike American cultural influence and aim to counter it.

I know you are a die-hard shill for America but one must look at reality from time to time.

"And [remember, O Muḥammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allāh plans. And Allāh is the best of planners."
-Surah 8 Verse 30

I have to disagree as someone who’s been in Turkey. The majority of urban youth are quite similar to that. You would be surprised at how irreligious the country is.

It’s a rural vs urban thing and eventually the urban centres infect the rural as they dominate the media and culture of the country.

Regardless my point is even if the majority is conservative, the trend is to being less conservative.

Usually in the past more liberal societies suffered from societal decay, ‘enlightened woman’ not reproducing and working leading to older populations and stagnant economy but the US is unique. It imports enough people from illiberal societies which sustains them till that set of immigrants become liberalised and again replaced by another import of conservative societies.

US is unstoppable in our lifetime. Strong war economy, victory over culture, purely consumerist society and a profit culture that will always make it lead in economic growth and innovation.

The only hope people had was China but their demographic bomb will put an end to that. Their working population will collapse in the next few decades and thereby stagnate (due to the one child policy they had).

 

[AMusee]

Of course you do, they are your spiritual masters and leaders seeing as you are an atheist.

 

[HiraanBorn]

I have to disagree as someone who’s been in Turkey. The majority of urban youth are quite similar to that. You would be surprised at how irreligious the country is.

It’s a rural vs urban thing and eventually the urban centres infect the rural as they dominate the media and culture of the country.

Regardless my point is even if the majority is conservative, the trend is to being less conservative.

Usually in the past more liberal societies suffered from societal decay, ‘enlightened woman’ not reproducing and working leading to older populations and stagnant economy but the US is unique. It imports enough people from illiberal societies which sustains them till that set of immigrants become liberalised and again replaced by another import of conservative societies.

US is unstoppable in our lifetime. Strong war economy, victory over culture, purely consumerist society and a profit culture that will always make it lead in economic growth and innovation.

The only hope people had was China but their demographic bomb will put an end to that. Their working population will collapse in the next few decades and thereby stagnate (due to the one child policy they had).

The US has become the very thing the founding fathers feared it might become. A nation not for the citizen but a nation for an aristocratic elite.

 

[HiraanBorn]

I have to disagree as someone who’s been in Turkey. The majority of urban youth are quite similar to that. You would be surprised at how irreligious the country is.

It’s a rural vs urban thing and eventually the urban centres infect the rural as they dominate the media and culture of the country.

Regardless my point is even if the majority is conservative, the trend is to being less conservative.

Usually in the past more liberal societies suffered from societal decay, ‘enlightened woman’ not reproducing and working leading to older populations and stagnant economy but the US is unique. It imports enough people from illiberal societies which sustains them till that set of immigrants become liberalised and again replaced by another import of conservative societies.

US is unstoppable in our lifetime. Strong war economy, victory over culture, purely consumerist society and a profit culture that will always make it lead in economic growth and innovation.

The only hope people had was China but their demographic bomb will put an end to that. Their working population will collapse in the next few decades and thereby stagnate (due to the one child policy they had).

The simple fact that Erdogan won the recent elections in Turkey against the Armenian Kemalist Kilicdaroglu is enough to tell me that Western-style liberalism is still impotent in that country. Might have been a somewhat close call for Erdogan but that's irrelevant imo.

China's demographic collapse is over-exaggerated by the West because it serves their narrative of an unstable China. China is not Japan sxb.

 

[HiraanBorn]

I don’t buy it, this guy is a good guy to follow and talks about the dominance of American culture across the world. They have an enticing story and appeal to people’s instincts


He’s Turkish and an Islamist but talks about how Turkish politics will eventually follow the trend of its Americanised Youth. There’s nothing that Islamist parties are doing to counter the American freedom/liberal narrative at grassroots

Ngl though that Kemalist girl is kinda fine, I wouldn't be surprised is she went to University in Izmir

 

[Yibir_]

The ramblings of a man who thinks too much.

"Damn"...

The resurgence of Muslim power must arise from the ashes of the burning of Western civilisation. The longer they remain dominant the longer Islam will be undersiege.

Why revolt when we are living in the decline?

+++ revolt against the mental clutter foist upon you by the dominant culture instead of the structure that imposes it, thought is free but very few can think freely; there are hierarchies of freedom, a sinner is less free than one who restrains himself and is no different than one lost in thought, both are absent minded and slaves in their own right. Self-mastery is a greater act of rebellion than the external act of political upheaval, let the barbarians ransack the city, you set fire to your mind.