I remember

[balanbalis]

Yes they do that with khat too. Ethiopia and Kenya export khat while Somalis consume it the most.

Even Yemenis have khat problem

 

[wonyluvr]

Even Yemenis have khat problem

It’s an extreme problem for them too

 

[ditto]

Even Yemenis have khat problem

It’s even worse for them They grow their own khat so a lot of Yemeni men consume it, it’s also not uncommon for the women and children to eat it too.

Alhamdulillah for us it’s not as common for women and kids. It’s seen as ceeb for them to consume.

 

[Rayaale]

One thing I’ve noticed is that Ethiopian women hardly bleach, here in Kenya the madhows have started to notice that Somali women bleach and Oromo/Borana and other Cushitic women don’t bleach.

 

[Unicorn]

One thing I’ve noticed is that Ethiopian women hardly bleach, here in Kenya the madhows have started to notice that Somali women bleach and Oromo/Borana and other Cushitic women don’t bleach.

So ethopia doesnt have bad colorism? I assumed most of africa bleached.

 

[balanbalis]

So ethopia doesnt have bad colorism? I assumed most of africa bleached.

They do have colorism, there's a word for darkskins I saw a darkskin Ethiopian girl was talking about.

 

[Rayaale]

So ethopia doesnt have bad colorism? I assumed most of africa bleached.

Colorism does exist but on average they don’t bleach that much

 

[balanbalis]

They do have colorism, there's a word for darkskins I saw a darkskin Ethiopian girl was talking about.

God I can't edit this anymore but I meant they have a derogatory word for darkskin ethiopians, and a girl was talking about how harmful it was

 

[novanova]

God I can't edit this anymore but I meant they have a derogatory word for darkskin ethiopians, and a girl was talking about how harmful it was

Barya?

 

[Unicorn]

Barya?

I believe tht means adoon.

 

[balanbalis]

Barya?

That's for black people/non-Ethiopian/ slaves, the word i'm thinking of is a different word

 

[Rayaale]

Barya?

It means slave

 

[The alchemist]

Yes they do that with khat too. Ethiopia and Kenya export khat while Somalis consume it the most.

Khat was eaten by Somalis since at least the 13th century. It was not introduced by the Abyssinians since they did not produce or consume it -- Somalis did. The same is the case for coffee.

The Sultans of Ifat were said to have been consuming khat earlier than the 16th century. What I am saying is, Somalis started eating it before the Habash did.

Somalis spread it to Yemen and the hinterland of Ethiopia and Kenya. Now, those people produce it because there is demand from Somalis, and Yemenis also eat it to the same degree, producing for themselves, mostly.

It is stated that Khat was introduced to Yemen in the 15th century during these very times by what they call "Abyssinia." But that is wrong. It was introduced by Somalis since only Somalis had maritime, trade, and regional connections with southern Arabia during those times, and only the Somalis were the ones consuming it. Abyssinia was only the Habash lands north of us, not the extant Ethiopia, and they had no relations with the Muslim Arabs at the time, given that there was an enduring war between the Somalis and the Habash, and the Yemenis were on the side of the Somalis.

The northern highlanders never started that drug use, it was us. It has been a cultural thing that was viewed as a harmless vice. Certainly, it is not harmless, but nevertheless a cultural thing that traces back to the late Medieval era, at least.

Where Khat is produced today is historic Somali lands that are today partly inhabited by people who came after the 15th century. Now they partake in it since it is mostly produced in the "Haraghe" region, and Oromos and other peoples have assimilated into the regional trends of Somali. When you hear the term "Ethiopia," you think non-Somali. But Ethiopia came to that region very late in history (Ethiopia came to us since it was an imperial expansion from the northern highlands), within the last 200 years. Before the 1500s, the Oromos did not live in that region, so it was Somalis who cultivated the plant as they resided in that region. Oromos expanded there, took over some of the lands, and assimilated into the regional consumption culture. Since khat is more resistant to drought, it has more durability and the cycle is easier to manage, plus it is more profitable since it is steeped in the social culture of the entire region, it outproduces some of the other crops.

"Studies in Hararghie (Getachew 1996) show that the production of khat from the end of the 19th century until the 1940s focused on satisfying local demand."

Even in the predominant Oromo regions that produce khat for commercial reasons started after the eastern Hararghe, which I mentioned:

"However, khat cultivation as a cash crop began earlier in eastern Hararghie than in western Hararghie as a result of access to transportation and wider market opportunities. Cultivation as a cash crop in western Hararghie (particularly in Habro) began in the 1970s, according to the farmers."

So Habro, which has almost no Somali inhabitants, started producing it around five decades ago as a cash crop.

To summarize, we started the khat thing, and Ethiopia selling to us is basically a continuation of us producing it since it is historically from Eastern Ethiopia, and expanded with some more western regions adjacent to the Somali inhabited region, and mostly the historic Somali region (given that the centuries after the Ifat-Adal period had Oromos and other groups encroach on our lands) to fill that very endemic demand after getting acculturated by Somalis as a regional cultural force themselves.

Now, khat is found everywhere in Ethiopia, similar to coffee, and both are dubbed 'Ethiopian' when it was just Somalis culturally and socially consuming both for many centuries, and the others commercializing and taking cultural ownership of it as a national thing pretty historically recently. Because imperialism appropriates the native diversity to give itself that native association and expands its cultural variability. Khat and coffee were considered anti-Ethiopian (Abyssinya is Ethiopia), after they invaded our lands, suddenly it is Ethiopian.

Khat is thus very Somali and we have consumed that shit for many centuries and we popularized it, lol.

In the Kenyan case, believe it or not, it was framed as a cash crop as a monetary expansionary policy by Kenya relatively recently. However, khat was a problem in Kenya during the colonial days, where the prohibition of it was on the agenda of the British. You see, the new cash crop marketing of Kenyans recently is not reflecting how basically it has an older history in that region.

Somalis were reported to consume Khat in Kenya since the colonial days. People consumed khat in the Meru region of Kenya (Bantu farming region), and some farmers would accommodate Somalis in caravan trade and herders by exchanging produce (food and khat) for livestock as well, since the north was too dry. So some specific Kenyan groups in the central region were said to consume it and produce the plant, with farmers producing it to sell it to the Somalis north of them, who had that demand. Opportunistically, some Kikuyu women were reported to have sold wild khat to Somali and Swahili. The colonialists tried to regulate khat use in all Somali regions. Needless to say, Somalis in the Kenyan region consumed khat and created an economic demand-based structure with the non-Somali farmers since the 19th century, at least. But the consumption of khat by the Somalis there was likewise much older, since I said it was something Somalis consumed during the Medieval period.

Khat runs deep among Somalis. Similar to how cadaans never banned alcohol since that vice is considered a cultural thing.

 

[Rayaale]

Khat was eaten by Somalis since at least the 13th century. It was not introduced by the Abyssinians since they did not produce or consume it -- Somalis did. The same is the case for coffee.

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The Sultans of Ifat were said to have been consuming khat earlier than the 16th century. What I am saying is, Somalis started eating it before the Habash did.

Somalis spread it to Yemen and the hinterland of Ethiopia and Kenya. Now, those people produce it because there is demand from Somalis, and Yemenis also eat it to the same degree, producing for themselves, mostly.

It is stated that Khat was introduced to Yemen in the 15th century during these very times by what they call "Abyssinia." But that is wrong. It was introduced by Somalis since only Somalis had maritime, trade, and regional connections with southern Arabia during those times, and only the Somalis were the ones consuming it. Abyssinia was only the Habash lands north of us, not the extant Ethiopia, and they had no relations with the Muslim Arabs at the time, given that there was an enduring war between the Somalis and the Habash, and the Yemenis were on the side of the Somalis.

The northern highlanders never started that drug use, it was us. It has been a cultural thing that was viewed as a harmless vice. Certainly, it is not harmless, but nevertheless a cultural thing that traces back to the late Medieval era, at least.

Where Khat is produced today is historic Somali lands that are today partly inhabited by people who came after the 15th century. Now they partake in it since it is mostly produced in the "Haraghe" region, and Oromos and other peoples have assimilated into the regional trends of Somali. When you hear the term "Ethiopia," you think non-Somali. But Ethiopia came to that region very late in history (Ethiopia came to us since it was an imperial expansion from the northern highlands), within the last 200 years. Before the 1500s, the Oromos did not live in that region, so it was Somalis who cultivated the plant as they resided in that region. Oromos expanded there, took over some of the lands, and assimilated into the regional consumption culture. Since khat is more resistant to drought, it has more durability and the cycle is easier to manage, plus it is more profitable since it is steeped in the social culture of the entire region, it outproduces some of the other crops.

"Studies in Hararghie (Getachew 1996) show that the production of khat from the end of the 19th century until the 1940s focused on satisfying local demand."

Even in the predominant Oromo regions that produce khat for commercial reasons started after the eastern Hararghe, which I mentioned:

"However, khat cultivation as a cash crop began earlier in eastern Hararghie than in western Hararghie as a result of access to transportation and wider market opportunities. Cultivation as a cash crop in western Hararghie (particularly in Habro) began in the 1970s, according to the farmers."

So Habro, which has almost no Somali inhabitants, started producing it around five decades ago as a cash crop.

To summarize, we started the khat thing, and Ethiopia selling to us is basically a continuation of us producing it since it is historically from Eastern Ethiopia, and expanded with some more western regions adjacent to the Somali inhabited region, and mostly the historic Somali region (given that the centuries after the Ifat-Adal period had Oromos and other groups encroach on our lands) to fill that very endemic demand after getting acculturated by Somalis as a regional cultural force themselves.

Now, khat is found everywhere in Ethiopia, similar to coffee, and both are dubbed 'Ethiopian' when it was just Somalis culturally and socially consuming both for many centuries, and the others commercializing and taking cultural ownership of it as a national thing pretty historically recently. Because imperialism appropriates the native diversity to give itself that native association and expands its cultural variability. Khat and coffee were considered anti-Ethiopian (Abyssinya is Ethiopia), after they invaded our lands, suddenly it is Ethiopian.

Khat is thus very Somali and we have consumed that shit for many centuries and we popularized it, lol.

In the Kenyan case, believe it or not, it was framed as a cash crop as a monetary expansionary policy by Kenya relatively recently. However, khat was a problem in Kenya during the colonial days, where the prohibition of it was on the agenda of the British. You see, the new cash crop marketing of Kenyans recently is not reflecting how basically it has an older history in that region.

Somalis were reported to consume Khat in Kenya since the colonial days. People consumed khat in the Meru region of Kenya (Bantu farming region), and some farmers would accommodate Somalis in caravan trade and herders by exchanging produce (food and khat) for livestock as well, since the north was too dry. So some specific Kenyan groups in the central region were said to consume it and produce the plant, with farmers producing it to sell it to the Somalis north of them, who had that demand. Opportunistically, some Kikuyu women were reported to have sold wild khat to Somali and Swahili. The colonialists tried to regulate khat use in all Somali regions. Needless to say, Somalis in the Kenyan region consumed khat and created an economic demand-based structure with the non-Somali farmers since the 19th century, at least. But the consumption of khat by the Somalis there was likewise much older, since I said it was something Somalis consumed during the Medieval period.

Khat runs deep among Somalis. Similar to how cadaans never banned alcohol since that vice is considered a cultural thing.

Damn I thought the Yemenis are the ones who introduced khat to us

 

[novanova]

Khat was eaten by Somalis since at least the 13th century. It was not introduced by the Abyssinians since they did not produce or consume it -- Somalis did. The same is the case for coffee.

View attachment 360512

The Sultans of Ifat were said to have been consuming khat earlier than the 16th century. What I am saying is, Somalis started eating it before the Habash did.

Somalis spread it to Yemen and the hinterland of Ethiopia and Kenya. Now, those people produce it because there is demand from Somalis, and Yemenis also eat it to the same degree, producing for themselves, mostly.

It is stated that Khat was introduced to Yemen in the 15th century during these very times by what they call "Abyssinia." But that is wrong. It was introduced by Somalis since only Somalis had maritime, trade, and regional connections with southern Arabia during those times, and only the Somalis were the ones consuming it. Abyssinia was only the Habash lands north of us, not the extant Ethiopia, and they had no relations with the Muslim Arabs at the time, given that there was an enduring war between the Somalis and the Habash, and the Yemenis were on the side of the Somalis.

The northern highlanders never started that drug use, it was us. It has been a cultural thing that was viewed as a harmless vice. Certainly, it is not harmless, but nevertheless a cultural thing that traces back to the late Medieval era, at least.

Where Khat is produced today is historic Somali lands that are today partly inhabited by people who came after the 15th century. Now they partake in it since it is mostly produced in the "Haraghe" region, and Oromos and other peoples have assimilated into the regional trends of Somali. When you hear the term "Ethiopia," you think non-Somali. But Ethiopia came to that region very late in history (Ethiopia came to us since it was an imperial expansion from the northern highlands), within the last 200 years. Before the 1500s, the Oromos did not live in that region, so it was Somalis who cultivated the plant as they resided in that region. Oromos expanded there, took over some of the lands, and assimilated into the regional consumption culture. Since khat is more resistant to drought, it has more durability and the cycle is easier to manage, plus it is more profitable since it is steeped in the social culture of the entire region, it outproduces some of the other crops.

"Studies in Hararghie (Getachew 1996) show that the production of khat from the end of the 19th century until the 1940s focused on satisfying local demand."

Even in the predominant Oromo regions that produce khat for commercial reasons started after the eastern Hararghe, which I mentioned:

"However, khat cultivation as a cash crop began earlier in eastern Hararghie than in western Hararghie as a result of access to transportation and wider market opportunities. Cultivation as a cash crop in western Hararghie (particularly in Habro) began in the 1970s, according to the farmers."

So Habro, which has almost no Somali inhabitants, started producing it around five decades ago as a cash crop.

To summarize, we started the khat thing, and Ethiopia selling to us is basically a continuation of us producing it since it is historically from Eastern Ethiopia, and expanded with some more western regions adjacent to the Somali inhabited region, and mostly the historic Somali region (given that the centuries after the Ifat-Adal period had Oromos and other groups encroach on our lands) to fill that very endemic demand after getting acculturated by Somalis as a regional cultural force themselves.

Now, khat is found everywhere in Ethiopia, similar to coffee, and both are dubbed 'Ethiopian' when it was just Somalis culturally and socially consuming both for many centuries, and the others commercializing and taking cultural ownership of it as a national thing pretty historically recently. Because imperialism appropriates the native diversity to give itself that native association and expands its cultural variability. Khat and coffee were considered anti-Ethiopian (Abyssinya is Ethiopia), after they invaded our lands, suddenly it is Ethiopian.

Khat is thus very Somali and we have consumed that shit for many centuries and we popularized it, lol.

In the Kenyan case, believe it or not, it was framed as a cash crop as a monetary expansionary policy by Kenya relatively recently. However, khat was a problem in Kenya during the colonial days, where the prohibition of it was on the agenda of the British. You see, the new cash crop marketing of Kenyans recently is not reflecting how basically it has an older history in that region.

Somalis were reported to consume Khat in Kenya since the colonial days. People consumed khat in the Meru region of Kenya (Bantu farming region), and some farmers would accommodate Somalis in caravan trade and herders by exchanging produce (food and khat) for livestock as well, since the north was too dry. So some specific Kenyan groups in the central region were said to consume it and produce the plant, with farmers producing it to sell it to the Somalis north of them, who had that demand. Opportunistically, some Kikuyu women were reported to have sold wild khat to Somali and Swahili. The colonialists tried to regulate khat use in all Somali regions. Needless to say, Somalis in the Kenyan region consumed khat and created an economic demand-based structure with the non-Somali farmers since the 19th century, at least. But the consumption of khat by the Somalis there was likewise much older, since I said it was something Somalis consumed during the Medieval period.

Khat runs deep among Somalis. Similar to how cadaans never banned alcohol since that vice is considered a cultural thing.

An ethiopian said this on Mereja awhile ago:

 

[The alchemist]

It means slave

There is actually a people that were called Barya, the ethnic name (which was probably an exonym) became a pejorative, it seems.

Even the Axumites mention Barya. They were probably those Nilo-Saharan Nara. Later, it became a catch-all slur for people that embodied stronger phenotypically African descent and were probably viewed in the same way to the Habash, how Greco-Romans used Barbarian to the peripheral peoples they saw as culturally distinct and perhaps inferior.

So it does not mean slave exactly, but it is used as a racial slur.

 

[The alchemist]

Damn I thought the Yemenis are the ones who introduced khat to us

Nah, it was the other way around.

 

[The alchemist]

An ethiopian said this on Mereja awhile ago:

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We've covered some of this in the past. There is deep evidence for all of this:

Who Invented Coffee On Twitter

Lightly quoting myself from another post:

"With the coffee drinking factor, it was well remarked in the history of the Horn of Africa that the Habash viewed coffee as a beverage of consumption by the Muslims, such as the Somalis, so they avoided it altogether to distinguish themselves from us."

"Evidence of such assertion is laid out, emphasizing how the Abyssinians did not consume coffee until the 19th century, which is documented even by travelers of the European Christian background that noted these people built practices of dietary taboos to contradict our common ways centuries earlier."

You're kind of wild for being on Mereja, though.