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You think too small, my man. I dream to conquer Sudan and reinstate Nobiin as the national language.
You want to make a Nilo-Saharan language the lingua-franca of Sudan if Geeljires take over?
In that case
Long foreheads are a sign of aristocratic noble lineage. We have writing of English aristocratic going to Somalia and describing ancient Somalis how noble they are by their long foreheads, long thing noses, and their graceful walk
Saxiibs resisted the Caliphates when all the others buckled. Gotta respect that.
More Sudani-Arabs than you think were speaking Nobiin fluently a generation or so ago. A dear friend of mine's aabo is even some sort of linguist/academic who seems to specialize in Nubian history and culture. Lately he's bene tasked with translating many Arabic poetic and historical works into Nobiin which is his dream, apparently. If I ruled the Horn and Sudan I'd really push for a Nubian restoration and protect Beja at all costs.
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Yeah I think the Tutsi were more likely something like the Samburu or Datooga that mingled with Bantu farmers and took on their language rather than cultural/linguistic Cushites who became Bantu linguistically without an intermediary step.
There is a Tutsi related group (some say they are just an extension of Tutsis) the Bahima/Hema in East Congo who speak a Nilote language (Lendu).
Nilotic
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The Samburu and Maasai certainly don't look like us anymore, so I would consider them cousins instead of brothers-sisters.
Nilotics and Cushites are pastoralists so that may have helped relations in some way; it must be said that pastoralists are pathologically stubborn and uncooperative and that sometimes engenders hostilities and conflict.
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Lendu isn't a Nilotic language; it's a Central Sudanic language that is part of a branch that occupies a distinct position in the Nilo-Saharan phylum.
I could (with enough time) probably learn a significant chunk of the Nilotic languages in South Sudan, however, the Central Sudanics are a different kettle of fish and we don't regard them as kin; until recently, I always assumed that some of these groups were Bantu.
The Fertit of Western Bahr El Ghazal are Central Sudanic speakers and so are some interspersed tribes in Central Equatoria; these people all have their origins in southern Darfur.
Toubous fascinate me because their SSA component is entirely Nilotic but their eurasian is Berber(?). Barring some, most don't look similar to Somalis at all. They have a freed slave caste that probably have west african in them but that they're a minority, most Toubous don't look similar to us.
This is making me wonder why don't west Cushitics that live in the Sahel exist
Cushitics seem to be very anti Bantu but don't mind Nilotics (or EA HGs and Khoisans). I think Cushitics were very featurist and were ok with Nilotes since they have slimmer facial features and are tall. Then again Omotics are short and don't have particularly small features.
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I thought the Toubou had significant SSA ancestry that wasn't Nilotic; in either case, they are a Saharan population with links with other Saharans in Darfur and the Nara-Kunama of the Horn.
Cushites in the Sahel were probably dislodged from that area; I think the Darfurians got their Em-78 lineages from Cushites.
Nilotic
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I really do wonder why the Nubians discarded their language for Arabic -- especially if it was only recently. It was a monumental mistake.
With the fall of Omar Al Bashir, the Beja have all they need to protect their identity, culture and language; they could probably secure the right to teach Beja as the primary language in Eastern Sudan right now.
I haven't had enough time to study late medieval and early modern Sudanese history and now I'm without a laptop (to be rectified soon) but the gist I gather is that they were conquered by Muslims during the late medieval period and thus Arabic slowly became a lingua franca that also began to usurp people's mother tongues.
This might trigger you but I frankly don't mind Arabic as a lingua franca. I have a certain affection toward it as an Afro-Asiatic language. If the Horn and Sudan were to unify and we were all Muslims I'd support Arabic being the lingua franca of the nation but would still push local languages to be co-official and used heavily within their regions like Nobiin, Beja, Amharic, Somali and so on.
Arabic is more or less a foreign tongue, even if some Sudani Arabs have some real Arabian admixture, so it wouldn't offend anyone if it was the lingua franca. Only would be offensive to Christians hence the mostly or all Muslims requirement.
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Apollo
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Nah, I don't think so. It was likely cultural (Nilotes having pastoral cultre) and Bantu farmers were numerous and a bit more advanced than those other groups.
Iron Age Bantus were obviously ahead of Neolithic South Cushites but once you start comparing Iron Age Nilotes and Cushites or even Somali type Cushites to Bantus the playing field is either equal or, in the latter case, more favored toward the Cushites. The only Bantus on par with Somalis as a whole were Swahilis and they were smaller and less militarily capable so there's that. But you know it's interesting how Tutsis became the elite. It really mirrors the situation in Eurasia where nomadic pastoral dynasties and their people tended to dominate sedentary farmer people. Two of the last three great dynasties of China, the Yuan and the Qing were founded by nomadic groups. And we all know the age-old story of Indo-Europeanized civilizations in Eurasia like the Persians, Indians and Greeks which were usurped in time after the Arab conquests by Turks with the Seljuqs, Ottomans, Qajars and even the Mughals in India.
The nomad is the natural ruler of pre-modern mankind, mashallah.
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