I just learned about the Somali-bantu branch of my family, and i wanted to share.

First i want to let yall know, between 2025 and my great grandfather birth, its 180 years. somehow my whole male line was born when our fathers were 70-40-40-now.

The story goes in the 1860s my great-grandfather was at the market, and met a Darood with a small boy, he inquired about his "son" and the Darood guy said "he will never be my son, he is my slave" and that the child was originally madhaban, he bought the child from the "slave's brother" because his brother owed him a debt he could not pay. my great-grandfather was so disgusted by a Muslim enslaving another Muslim he asked, how much he wanted for the slave, he ended up getting him for one donkey and one goat.

Upon getting the child, he freed him and proclaimed that "this child is my son, his name is my name, and his line will be my line, and i curse anyone who says otherwise" (hadith “Whoever changes the name of an orphan, the angels curse him until he restores the name.” Sunan Abī Dāwūd, 5272, quran “Give orphans their property, and do not substitute the bad for the good, nor consume their property by mixing it with your own, indeed that is a great sin.” Sūrah al-Nisāʾ (4:2). One thing i know is that Somalis have good intentions but as i tell the story you will see the reason why Islam advises against that.

Anyway, A few years later, the son was ready to get married, but no Somali woman in the area would marry him because he was a madhaban and a former slave, they looked and looked and no one would marry him, so he ended up marrying a Somali bantu, his kids, and his kid's kids married somali bantu, his decended 1000-1500 of them are very much bantu, but if you ask them what qabil they are, they claim to be Degodia.

Obviously, we all know Somalia is a hellscape of lawlessness and other clans would pick on them, clan battles happened, and blood debt would have to be paid. When asked what qabil they are, they claim degodia. and my relatives have had to pay that debt. tbh, my whole perspective of Somali-bantu changed after i heard this story, their closes ancestor 145 years ago was Somali, they may look bantu and claim Degodia, but in the end Do i consider them brothers? the anwer is yes.
 
First i want to let yall know, between 2025 and my great grandfather birth, its 180 years. somehow my whole male line was born when our fathers were 70-40-40-now.

The story goes in the 1860s my great-grandfather was at the market, and met a Darood with a small boy, he inquired about his "son" and the Darood guy said "he will never be my son, he is my slave" and that the child was originally madhaban, he bought the child from the "slave's brother" because his brother owed him a debt he could not pay. my great-grandfather was so disgusted by a Muslim enslaving another Muslim he asked, how much he wanted for the slave, he ended up getting him for one donkey and one goat.

Upon getting the child, he freed him and proclaimed that "this child is my son, his name is my name, and his line will be my line, and i curse anyone who says otherwise" (hadith “Whoever changes the name of an orphan, the angels curse him until he restores the name.” Sunan Abī Dāwūd, 5272, quran “Give orphans their property, and do not substitute the bad for the good, nor consume their property by mixing it with your own, indeed that is a great sin.” Sūrah al-Nisāʾ (4:2). One thing i know is that Somalis have good intentions but as i tell the story you will see the reason why Islam advises against that.

Anyway, A few years later, the son was ready to get married, but no Somali woman in the area would marry him because he was a madhaban and a former slave, they looked and looked and no one would marry him, so he ended up marrying a Somali bantu, his kids, and his kid's kids married somali bantu, his decended 1000-1500 of them are very much bantu, but if you ask them what qabil they are, they claim to be Degodia.

Obviously, we all know Somalia is a hellscape of lawlessness and other clans would pick on them, clan battles happened, and blood debt would have to be paid. When asked what qabil they are, they claim degodia. and my relatives have had to pay that debt. tbh, my whole perspective of Somali-bantu changed after i heard this story, their closes ancestor 145 years ago was Somali, they may look bantu and claim Degodia, but in the end Do i consider them brothers? the anwer is yes.
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Wow, Madhibaan Enslavement this is new. Tell us more about where this happened and how vast the enslavement was.
Madhiban enslavement is unheard of, they were not nomads but were engaged in masonry, glasswork, blacksmithing, and hunting. Just because we do not mix with them doesn’t mean they were enslaved. They have been Muslims for over 500 years. Even in the 15th century geeljires and madhiban were distinct:

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“The first recorded reference to the Madhibaan people dates back to 1435 in Suleiman's translation of Ibn Majid's writings and poems found in Ababn Majid. In this text, Suleiman identifies the Madhibaan as Al-madhibaan, emphasizing their distinction as a separate nation from the Somali people. He briefly mentions the name Al Somali as well.”

Some of the weapons crafted by Madhiban:
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Madhiban enslavement is unheard of, they were not nomads but were engaged in masonry, glasswork, blacksmithing, and hunting. Just because we do not mix with them doesn’t mean they were enslaved. They have been Muslims for over 500 years. Even in the 15th century geeljires and madhiban were distinct:

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“The first recorded reference to the Madhibaan people dates back to 1435 in Suleiman's translation of Ibn Majid's writings and poems found in Ababn Majid. In this text, Suleiman identifies the Madhibaan as Al-madhibaan, emphasizing their distinction as a separate nation from the Somali people. He briefly mentions the name Al Somali as well.”

Some of the weapons crafted by Madhiban:
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Yes, some were nomadic as well tho, usually in the Haud regions, where you can still find many Madhibaan nomadic.

That's why i asked the location op is referring to, never heard slavery being a thing, and no colonial report of such system existing.

100% a made up story which is very weird for a family to do so.
 
Yes, some were nomadic as well tho, usually in the Haud regions, where you can still find many Madhibaan nomadic.

That's why i asked the location op is referring to, never heard slavery being a thing, and no colonial report of such system existing.

100% a made up story which is very weird for a family to do so.
It might have been an orphan or boy who was sent to assist another family to pay off a debt. It is also wrong to call Madhibaan a different nation to Somalis. Some of them always paid diya with Somali clans and some clans are actually of madhibaan descent. These guys wee doing important jobs in Somalia, so I doubt there was enslavement and there is no evidence for it.
 
It might have been an orphan or boy who was sent to assist another family to pay off a debt. It is also wrong to call Madhibaan a different nation to Somalis. Some of them always paid diya with Somali clans and some clans are actually of madhibaan descent. These guys wee doing important jobs in Somalia, so I doubt there was enslavement and there is no evidence for it.
Highly could have been that instead, not sure why op said "slave" though as there was no enslavement that i am aware of.

Majority of them did paid Diya with Somalis, there was no other options for them due to how the system was setup.

No Madhibaan is descent of other somalis, there might be few outliers but majority of us are from the same lineage line.
 

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First i want to let yall know, between 2025 and my great grandfather birth, its 180 years. somehow my whole male line was born when our fathers were 70-40-40-now.

The story goes in the 1860s my great-grandfather was at the market, and met a Darood with a small boy, he inquired about his "son" and the Darood guy said "he will never be my son, he is my slave" and that the child was originally madhaban, he bought the child from the "slave's brother" because his brother owed him a debt he could not pay. my great-grandfather was so disgusted by a Muslim enslaving another Muslim he asked, how much he wanted for the slave, he ended up getting him for one donkey and one goat.

Upon getting the child, he freed him and proclaimed that "this child is my son, his name is my name, and his line will be my line, and i curse anyone who says otherwise" (hadith “Whoever changes the name of an orphan, the angels curse him until he restores the name.” Sunan Abī Dāwūd, 5272, quran “Give orphans their property, and do not substitute the bad for the good, nor consume their property by mixing it with your own, indeed that is a great sin.” Sūrah al-Nisāʾ (4:2). One thing i know is that Somalis have good intentions but as i tell the story you will see the reason why Islam advises against that.

Anyway, A few years later, the son was ready to get married, but no Somali woman in the area would marry him because he was a madhaban and a former slave, they looked and looked and no one would marry him, so he ended up marrying a Somali bantu, his kids, and his kid's kids married somali bantu, his decended 1000-1500 of them are very much bantu, but if you ask them what qabil they are, they claim to be Degodia.

Obviously, we all know Somalia is a hellscape of lawlessness and other clans would pick on them, clan battles happened, and blood debt would have to be paid. When asked what qabil they are, they claim degodia. and my relatives have had to pay that debt. tbh, my whole perspective of Somali-bantu changed after i heard this story, their closes ancestor 145 years ago was Somali, they may look bantu and claim Degodia, but in the end Do i consider them brothers? the anwer is yes.
Madhaban are Somalis, and Somali Bantus are originally from Tanzania; don't conflate the two, Madhaban have never been enslaved, but took up certain jobs in cities/villages that were valued but idiotically looked down upon in the wider sphere, similar to how English nobility looked down on traders who earned their wealth in the markets. It's spread across many Afroasiatic groups and runs deep.

Thanks for the story, your ancestor was a great man, taking in a orphan is a great deed.
 

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