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[Guure⁸]

yes they do. but less than isis. theyre aqeedah books are practically to the islamic university of madinah. there is a major overlap.

They see Medinah as dar al kufr and they probably takfeer major scholars from there, also since you brought their "aqeedah" as argument can we label ikhawanis as the representative face of ash'arism creed since both Hasan al Bana and sayid qutb were aqeeda wise asha'ira? Lmao u don't wanna go there budd

 

[reer]

They see Medinah as dar al kufr and they probably takfeer major scholars from there, also since you brought their "aqeedah" as argument can we label ikhawanis as the representative face of ash'arism creed since both Hasan al Bana and sayid qutb were aqeeda wise asha'ira? Lmao u don't wanna go there budd

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they share all of them. their foundations are practically the same. ikhwanis are not a religious sect theyre a political group. sayyid qutb wasnt sunni and hasan al banna being ashari or hanbali is not really relevant he was the head of a political group. the biggest ikhwani sheikh today is sh maxamed yusri a salafi in qatar. ikhwanis are a political group. ikhwanis have both asharis and salafis.

 

[Guure⁸]

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they share all of them. their foundations are practically the same. ikhwanis are not a religious sect theyre a political group. sayyid qutb wasnt sunni and hasan al banna being ashari or hanbali is not really relevant he was the head of a political group. the biggest ikhwani sheikh today is sh maxamed yusri a salafi in qatar. ikhwanis are a political group. ikhwanis have both asharis and salafis.

They also quote the salaf and misuse quran verses and ahadith what's ur point? And sayid was indeed asha'ri aqeedah wise and how's Hasan al Bana isn't relevant isn't that the same argument u used?

 

[Guure⁸]

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they share all of them. their foundations are practically the same. ikhwanis are not a religious sect theyre a political group. sayyid qutb wasnt sunni and hasan al banna being ashari or hanbali is not really relevant he was the head of a political group. the biggest ikhwani sheikh today is sh maxamed yusri a salafi in qatar. ikhwanis are a political group. ikhwanis have both asharis and salafis.

They also teach shaf'i kutubs like safinat al-najah ig that's a vohhabi book saar

 

[Guure⁸]

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they share all of them. their foundations are practically the same. ikhwanis are not a religious sect theyre a political group. sayyid qutb wasnt sunni and hasan al banna being ashari or hanbali is not really relevant he was the head of a political group. the biggest ikhwani sheikh today is sh maxamed yusri a salafi in qatar. ikhwanis are a political group. ikhwanis have both asharis and salafis.

Qutb's tafseer of surah at-taha verse 5 btw

 

[reer]

They also quote the salaf and misuse quran verses and ahadith what's ur point? And sayid was indeed asha'ri aqeedah wise and how's Hasan al Bana isn't relevant isn't that the same argument u used?

Qutb's tafseer of surah at-taha verse 5 btwView attachment 377059

sayid qutb criticized a prophet which took him out of asharism maturidism and hanbalism. the guy was a close to a heretic.

They also teach shaf'i kutubs like safinat al-najah ig that's a vohhabi book saar

they use the same books in their foundational aqeedah. thats the point.

 

[Guure⁸]

sayid qutb criticized a prophet which took him out of asharism maturidism and hanbalism. the guy was a close to a heretic.


they use the same books in their foundational aqeedah. thats the point.

First of all stop mixing hanbalis with maturdism and asharism we both know the terror hanbalis caused to asharis, and my point is he was an ashari aqeedah wise and I'm not saying he is a representative of ashari creed and let's leave that guy aside what abt hasan? Lmao. And as I said before they quote ahadith and quranic verses too and it doesn't change the fact that they are khawarij

 

[reer]

First of all stop mixing hanbalis with maturdism and asharism we both know the terror hanbalis caused to asharis, and my point is he was an ashari aqeedah wise and I'm not saying he is a representative of ashari creed and let's leave that guy aside what abt hasan? Lmao. And as I said before they quote ahadith and quranic verses too and it doesn't change the fact that they are khawarij

even the mutazila knew tafsir and contributed to usul fiqh. hasan al banna was the head of a political organization not a sect. salafi wahhabism is a religious sect. ikhwanism encompasses asharis and non asharis. the most major ikhwani sheikh alive is sh maxamed yusri who was not far from becoming the mutfi of egypt under the ikhwani government in egypt.

 

[Guure⁸]

even the mutazila knew tafsir and would quote hadiths and contributed to usul fiqh. hasan al banna was the head of a political organization not a sect. salafi wahhabism is a religious sect. ikhwanism encompasses asharis and non asharis. the most major ikhwani sheikh alive is sh maxamed yusri who was not far from becoming the mutfi of egypt under the ikhwani government in egypt.

Exactly, same logic applies to khawarij too, they can quote or even teach wahhabi books but they have their own understanding and it doesn't mean they are wahhabis, Also it seems like you are missing my point did hasan had the ashari i'tiqad ofc why aren't we applying ur same talking point to asharism? Also Elkabab/isis are political organizations too, they literally quote al razi and even call al ghazali hujjat al islam what does that mean to u budd? This is burger argument I'm not getting any further

 

[Araabi]

yes they do. but less than isis. theyre aqeedah books are practically to the islamic university of madinah. there is a major overlap.

Nowadays Wahhabism has been watered down by the political elites of Saudi Arabia. The original Wahhabi doctrine of the founder and the first generation were exactly the same as ISIS and AS. Just read their own literature.

This book is called تاريخ نجد and is authored by a proponent of MAW'S doctrine:

تاريخ نجد المسمى روضة الأفكار والأفهام - حسين بن غنام - الجزء 1 - طبعة أولى - 1949م : سرمد حاتم شكر : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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[reer]

Exactly, same logic applies to khawarij too, they can quote or even teach wahhabi books but they have their own understanding and it doesn't mean they are wahhabis, Also it seems like you are missing my point did hasan had the ashari i'tiqad ofc why aren't we applying ur same talking point to asharism? Also Elkabab/isis are political organizations too, they literally quote al razi and even call al ghazali hujjat al islam what does that mean to u budd? This is burger argument I'm not getting any further

because they ALL have the same foundation. they fit the name of a sect. asharis in mauritania somalia iraq all study similar books or the same books. they revere the same imams like bayhaqi. wahhabis in morocco iraq somalia afghanistan ALL have the same foundations the same way. tell me one major difference between isis and the early salafi dawah that makes isis extreme?

Nowadays Wahhabism has been watered down by the political elites of Saudi Arabia. The original Wahhabi doctrine of the founder and the first generation were exactly the same as ISIS and AS. Just read their own literature.

bro not even isis or as. its really the hazimis of daesh.

 

[Guure⁸]

because they ALL have the same foundation. they fit the name of a sect. asharis in mauritania somalia iraq all study similar books or the same books. they revere the same imams like bayhaqi. wahhabis in morocco iraq somalia afghanistan ALL have the same foundations the same way. tell me one major difference between isis and the early salafi dawah that makes isis extreme?


bro not even isis or as. its really the hazimis of daesh.

Oh lord, did u even read my reply? But let me short it for u, Isis/elkabab are political foundations too and they do teach ashari books and they do refer to ashari scholars as "imams" and hujjah which makes them kinda similar to ikhwanis, so why don't u apply same logic to ikhawinis too? U r basically ignoring my talking points and repeating the same shi again and again, be serious man

 

[Araabi]

Oh lord, did u even read my reply? But let me short it for u, Isis/elkabab are political foundations too and they do teach ashari books and they do refer to ashari scholars as "imams" and hujjah which makes them kinda similar to ikhwanis, so why don't u apply same logic to ikhawinis too? U r basically ignoring my talking points and repeating the same shi again and again, be serious man

That is a retarded argument in bad faith. No ISIS or Kebab member will refer to themselves as Sufis or Ash'aris. To even entertain it is preposterous. Almost all of them without exception call themselves Salafis. Their leaders all claim to be Wahhabis. They even do takfir of non Wahhabis.

The ISIS curriculum in theology teaches Kitab ul Tawhid, Kashf ul Shubuhat, Al Wasitiyya and the typical Wahhabi books. You will not find any Ashari teaching any of these books.

 

[reer]

That is a retarded argument in bad faith. No ISIS or Kebab member will refer to themselves as Sufis or Ash'aris. To even entertain it is preposterous. Almost all of them without exception call themselves Salafis. Their leaders all claim to eb Wahhabis. They even do takfir of non Wahhabis.

The ISIS curriculum in theology teaches Kitab ul Tawhid, Kashf ul Shubuhat, Al Wasitiyya and the typical Wahhabi books. You will not find any Ashari teaching any of these books.

the ikhwanism in them means they dont attack asharis like the big sheikhs abroad. they will opppose asharism but not attack ashari heavyweights. the mufti of daesh called al ghazali hujjatul islam. but the hazimis are purists.
even sh xassaan who borderline takfirs asharis doesnt touch heavyweight imams like al bayhaqi. he did attack nawawi though. because they gotta keep up their claim to shaficism.

 

[Guure⁸]

That is a retarded argument in bad faith. No ISIS or Kebab member will refer to themselves as Sufis or Ash'aris. To even entertain it is preposterous. Almost all of them without exception call themselves Salafis. Their leaders all claim to be Wahhabis. They even do takfir of non Wahhabis.

The ISIS curriculum in theology teaches Kitab ul Tawhid, Kashf ul Shubuhat, Al Wasitiyya and the typical Wahhabi books. You will not find any Ashari teaching any of these books.

U will find them teaching ashari books tho

 

[Guure⁸]

the ikhwanism in them means they dont attack asharis like the big sheikhs abroad. they will opppose asharism but not attack ashari heavyweights. the mufti of daesh called al ghazali hujjatul islam. but the hazimis are purists.
even sh xassaan who borderline takfirs asharis doesnt touch heavyweight imams like al bayhaqi. he did attack nawawi though. because they gotta keep up their claim to shaficism.

So why aren't u treating them as a political organization too?

 

[reer]

So why aren't u treating them as a political organization too?

their core aqeedah books are usually the same. madkhali. sururi. hazimi. etc etc etc. what shared aqeedah manhaj does a ashari ikhwani and salafi ikhwani have?

 

[Guure⁸]

their core aqeedah books are usually the same. madkhali. sururi. hazimi. etc etc etc. what shared aqeedah manhaj does a ashari ikhwani and salafi ikhwani have?

I'm not denying that they have the some of the aqeedah of not just wahhabis but the salaf too cuz they affirm the attributes of Allah swt just like the salaf but I'm saying it doesn't make them righteous and "wahhabis" get my point rn?

 

[reer]

I'm not denying that they have the some of the aqeedah of not just wahhabis but the salaf too cuz they affirm the attributes of Allah swt just like the salaf but I'm saying it doesn't make them righteous and "wahhabis" get my point rn?

again. ALL salafi wahhabis have a shared core of books and usul. daesh. sururis. madkhalis. haddadis. the daeshis who takfir the madkhalis study the same core books. the hazimis who takfir qaeda study the same books as arsenal in jilib. the madkhalis study the same core books.

 

[Throughbred]

Aw, is them again. "Saar i dont know what Wahhabi is but you are Wahhabi saar"