HSM was right in attacking Madoobe

[Hilmaam]

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War whats happening right now isnt reclaiming the country, its a literal invasion, read what I wrote, its not about HSM, FGS regardless of who would be in power HAD to act, Abiy is literally invading Jubaland and Gedo do you understand this, its not about reclaiming Jubaland or else FGS would have started the invasion a year ago when the dispute with Madoobe started or when JL and Ethiopians attacked the first SNA base in december 2024

About the elections its off topic, but I dont deny this is a risk

The people in Gedo are working in tandem with Ethiopia. Same thing with Hiraan and bakool. These regions have very close relationship with Ethiopia. They use them as shield against al Shabab and fgs. U will remember when fgs proposed bringing in Egyptian troops and kicking out Ethiopia there was massive uproar from these areas . Ethiopia not going anywhere today because they have a lot of support from key people live in that area . Majority of fighting right now is not even Ethiopia it’s Somalia on opposite sides in jubbaland waters it’s fgs jubbaland or al shabab is killing each other

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Many have tried to dislodge blackie, all failed. He’s nearing the end of his life, and he’ll be gone soon, better to work with him than against him. He’s pretty reasonable for a dictator.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

HSM would rather Ethiopians be swarming around gedo than swallow his pride and bury the hatchet.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

AS is a massive threat to the south and its advancement, there must be gurmad garabstaag from both governments from a pragmatic point of view. Whatever bad blood and naceyb there is, should be pushed to the back and Gurgurte should be working with the Black shadow of Qabri Dahar to fight off AS.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Also when the shadow is gone there will be a power vacuum in jubaland. What is the plan then? The far south could go up in flames.

 

[Abdisamad]

Never disagreed on that

Did you not read all that I wrote, instead of just throwing random accusations I suggest you actually look into it and bring reasoning to your claims, I did a full in depth analysis of the situation, you disagree with me but you havent adressed any of my claims or told me why my reasoning is wrong, in fact Im sure you havent read what I wrote..

The issue with FGS is exactly whats happening with Madoobe, this is like California being able to challenge Washington and bring in Russian troops, this is against the constitution and everything that they have agreed on, a FMS cannot hold that much power or they're simply not a FMS anymore

Your reasoning is flawed sxb.. By comparing California and Washington with JL and Muqdisho is simply like comparing apples and bananas, Somalia is an unstable country which is still recovering from the civil and still battling shabab, as you there are 20 thousand foreign troops including Ethiopian troops in southern Somalia to support the weak government in muqdisho.. Naturally HSM should've focused on defeating the shabab while bringing the federal states closer to the government, what have he done instead? Focused on excessive useless travellings, weakened the SNA, focused on tribal politics, changed the constitution to grant himself an extension when, alienated the federal members states.. The attack on JL had nothing to do the nations interest or well being but everything to do with HSM ambitions and greed..

For the sake of stability and state-building Madoobe has to go, unless you want to see the people of Jubaland getting more opressed by Shabab and now Ethiopian troops (who did lots of kufsi and massacres when they invaded btw)

Madoobe will go sooner or later, but maybe this is not an important thing at the moment.. I rather see HSM go since he has destroyed more than Madoobe ever could've done in Somalia.. Beside the Ethiopians in Gedo are not driven by Madobe, but they're afraid to have Egypt in their border area under the guise of peacekeeping, yet another miscalculated deal and dobbelt play HSM, all this to push through his illegal constitution changes and extend his term.. No matter how you turn and twist it the blame for this would always fall in HSM and his poor leadership.

Even if Madoobe was elected and choosen in 2012 he is well past his time, its been more than a decade and the only accurate word to describe him is a power hungry dictator, just like siad he wont let go and will do anything to stay on his kursi, as seen by his alliance with Abiy

This is a neutral non biased analysis, this is the conclusion of my own research and not some baseless claims thrown around because Im a HSM or FGS fan boy, Im not even from koonfur anyways and I dont support FGS at all

 

[Abdisamad]

This is what I said back in October but I was attacked for it. For all the corruption and faults of hsm at the end of the day ahmed madobe has to be brought into line. Even farmajo pursued the same policy.

Just another blood thirsty hütü.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Somali politicians have no humility. Culusow went to war with Ahmed Madoobe knowing full well that Ahmed Madoobe could not be dislodged from Kismayo. If Ahmed Madoobe cannot be dislodged from Kismayo, why start an unwinnable conflict instead of coming to a compromise?

Ahmed Madoobe is still president of Jubaland and all that Culusow has achieved is a humiliation of the SNA.

Did Culusow learn anything from this? No. He is now in the process of trying to destabilize Gedo. Meanwhile, kebab are on the march in Hiiraan, both Shabelles and Galgaduud.

Insane. Crazy. Batshit. That's Somali politicians for you.

 

[Aarka Nugaal]

So for you its perfectly normal for FMS to go visit Abiy and cook up their own plans ?

Just to give you an idea of how idiotic this sounds, according to you, the president of Texas has the right to handle his own armed troops and decide his own foreign policy separate from washington, he can invade mexico and launch wars at will and can even conspire against washington to give parts of the country to other countries

How could a country be considered a sovereign like this ? Please consider thinking before writing, save us this dumb useless argument

Comparing US states with Somali Federal Member states shows me you’ve got no business analyzing even the texture and colour of xaar let alone Somali politics.

 

[Nur_]

Reading HSM and the word right gave me a scare

 

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Ok but thats completely off topic idk why youre mentioning this like I disagree

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It's not irrelevant; you have a really limited scope. Gedo is closer to being what KG is to the FGS than an actual subregion of JL; its ENDF presence predates JL by decades.

The Ethiopian presence in Gedo is a tertiary issue for Madoobe/HSM. Had HSM been serious about ENDF, then he would have started in KG. He isn't interested because they are already a paper admin.

If Madoobe has ties with Ethiopia, he wouldn't be hosting the ONLF, he would have a good relationship with Cagjar, he wouldn't need Kenya as a counterweight, and they would have a presence in Lower Juba.

HSM is posturing and would love to sway the Ethiopians into a compromise above all else. Madoobe prefers the status quo to HSM trying to subvert Gedo.

 

[Hilmaam]

Somali politicians have no humility. Culusow went to war with Ahmed Madoobe knowing full well that Ahmed Madoobe could not be dislodged from Kismayo. If Ahmed Madoobe cannot be dislodged from Kismayo, why start an unwinnable conflict instead of coming to a compromise?

Ahmed Madoobe is still president of Jubaland and all that Culusow has achieved is a humiliation of the SNA.

Did Culusow learn anything from this? No. He is now in the process of trying to destabilize Gedo. Meanwhile, kebab are on the march in Hiiraan, both Shabelles and Galgaduud.

Insane. Crazy. Batshit. That's Somali politicians for you.

He isn’t coming for kismayo this time he is trying to establish parallel admin in Gedo. Still risky especially without laying ground work ,should have had way more jubbaland Gedo supporters in back pocket with bribes and promise of federal positions and salaries . Should have also notified Ethiopia and got them onboard. From the heavy resistance seems this wasn’t done and Janaan went into it hoping to make things happen. Maybe it’s not true but from outside seems a lot of what fgs does is spray and hope something sticks. their planning should be years out but instead seems weeks and days out then when they fail do another Quickly put together plan

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Reading HSM and the word right gave me a scare

My stance is that its not really HSM but FGS as a whole which was forced to attack this time, people only look at them attacking but ignore the fact that JL and Ethiopians started the first violent clashes attacking SNA

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Comparing US states with Somali Federal Member states shows me you’ve got no business analyzing even the texture and colour of xaar let alone Somali politics.

The Federal system in Somalia is similar to the US in many ways but if you read the 2012 constituiton its different in many other ways, depends imo but the example I gave was valid and was just a way of trying to put things into perspective

But it doesnt really matter anyways, you'll always support Madoobe over HSM and we both know why

 

[The Oponian Guild]

 

[The Oponian Guild]

The Federal system in Somalia is similar to the US in many ways but if you read the 2012 constituiton its different in many other ways, depends imo but the example I gave was valid and was just a way of trying to put things into perspective

But it doesnt really matter anyways, you'll always support Madoobe over HSM and we both know why

NEGRO THE 2012 CONSTITUTION HASNT BEEN IMPLEMENTED OR EVEN FINISHED. ITS A POWERPOINT ON SOME FOB WASIIRS LAPTOP

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Somali politicians have no humility. Culusow went to war with Ahmed Madoobe knowing full well that Ahmed Madoobe could not be dislodged from Kismayo. If Ahmed Madoobe cannot be dislodged from Kismayo, why start an unwinnable conflict instead of coming to a compromise?

I agree fgs cant win, imo without shabab maybe they could invade Jubaland and depose Madoobe but as of now they cant even defeat shabab, I think hsm just wanted to send a message, but remember FGS didnt start this conflict until July they were the ones getting bullied by JL

Ahmed Madoobe is still president of Jubaland and all that Culusow has achieved is a humiliation of the SNA.

Youre talking about the man who worships meles zenawi he dont know anything about humiliation

 

[Barkhadle1520]

NEGRO THE 2012 CONSTITUTION HASNT BEEN IMPLEMENTED OR EVEN FINISHED. ITS A POWERPOINT ON SOME FOB WASIIRS LAPTOP

I know obviously

 

[Barkhadle1520]

The people in Gedo are working in tandem with Ethiopia. Same thing with Hiraan and bakool. These regions have very close relationship with Ethiopia. They use them as shield against al Shabab and fgs.

What about the videos of them protesting it, where do you get this info from

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Many have tried to dislodge blackie, all failed. He’s nearing the end of his life, and he’ll be gone soon, better to work with him than against him. He’s pretty reasonable for a dictator.

Exactly but HSM dissolved the national council and recounciliation thing