HSM EMPOWERING Al-Shaaydan???!!!

Som

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Islamically christians are allowed to have their religion and worship in a Muslim country. Muslim caliphates and kingdoms had churches and synagogues
 

Som

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That is still haram to build their place of worship in a Muslim country.
What evidence do you have? The prophet (saws) invited a delegation of christians from Najran and allowed them freedom of religion. When Umar (RA) conquered Jerusalem he kept the Christian churches intact and ordered to respect the Christian community. Throughout Muslim history christians and Jews were allowed to worship freely
 

Jaale Ugaas

Formerly Known As Somali Saayid
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What evidence do you have? The prophet (saws) invited a delegation of christians from Najran and allowed them freedom of religion. When Umar (RA) conquered Jerusalem he kept the Christian churches intact and ordered to respect the Christian community. Throughout Muslim history christians and Jews were allowed to worship freely
It is okay for them to keep (churches) it and to practice their religion but to erect places of worship is haaram. I thought this was common knowledge, I guess not.

 

Jaale Ugaas

Formerly Known As Somali Saayid
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He never said they can build their places of worship in Somalia. He said they can worship in their places of worship if they have any.
That's the problem they don't have any. I'm sure the president of the nation would understand that Somalia does not have churches (intact) at least.
 
That's the problem they don't have any. I'm sure the president of the nation would understand that Somalia does not have churches (intact) at least.
Then what are you complaining about? He said it wasn’t a major problem if they worshipped in their places of worship if they don’t try to spread their religion in the country.

I hope you folks know intentionally lying about a Muslim leader’s speech is a grave sin:icon lol:
 

Jaale Ugaas

Formerly Known As Somali Saayid
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Then what are you complaining about? He said it wasn’t a major problem if they worshipped in their places of worship if they don’t try to spread their religion in the country.

I hope you folks know intentionally lying about a Muslim leader’s speech is a grave sin:icon lol:
This bumbling fool.

If there are no places of worship where will they worship? That means they will have to build a new one and he is giving them the green light. These people will do anything to support their Ina Adeer.
 
This bumbling fool.

If there are no places of worship where will they worship? That means they will have to build a new one and he is giving them the green light. These people will do anything to support their Ina Adeer.
Maybe Dabada hooyadood. HSM used a hypothetical Christian man and a none christian man in his speech as a stepping stone to emphasis his point - we will never accept none Muslims/Sunnis to spread their religion in Somalia.

Just because HSM used a hypothetical christian man moving to Somalia, doesn’t mean said they can or is giving them a green light to build a church in Somalia.
These people will do anything to support their Ina Adeer.
You’re spreading lies and al-shabab propaganda because he is not your ina adeer so miss me with your hunter gatherer hypocrisy.
 

bidenkulaha

GalYare
Maybe Dabada hooyadood. HSM used a hypothetical Christian man and a none christian man in his speech as a stepping stone to emphasis his point - we will never accept none Muslims/Sunnis to spread their religion in Somalia.

Just because HSM used a hypothetical christian man moving to Somalia, doesn’t mean said they can or is giving them a green light to build a church in Somalia.

You’re spreading lies and al-shabab propaganda because he is not your ina adeer so miss me with your hunter gatherer hypocrisy.
Yes now watching the speech it was in fact the opposite of what this thread initially claimed. Xasan was saying we’re open but we won’t allow anyone spreading so clearly not creating new churches. The point about the Christian was a hypothetical ‘if they live here then they can worship or use whatever was there already for themselves’. So with the context it’s clear he doesn’t support new churches and thinks being non-Muslim ajnabi should be personal to you and able to worship that.
 

Som

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It is okay for them to keep (churches) it and to practice their religion but to erect places of worship is haaram. I thought this was common knowledge, I guess not.

The fatwa says that building a church is Haram for Muslims. I wasn't talking about Muslims building a church for Christians, i was talking about christians building a church for themselves in a Muslim country and being free to worship. That seems ok to me. If they build the church with their money they have the right in Islam go worship in their church
 

Jaale Ugaas

Formerly Known As Somali Saayid
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The fatwa says that building a church is Haram for Muslims. I wasn't talking about Muslims building a church for Christians, i was talking about christians building a church for themselves in a Muslim country and being free to worship. That seems ok to me. If they build the church with their money they have the right in Islam go worship in their church

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Taqiy al-Deen al-Subki al-Shaafa’i (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

Building a church is haraam according to consensus and the same applies to renovating it. This is what the fuqaha’ said: If a bequest is made to build a church, that bequest is invalid, because building a church is a sin, as is renovating it. It makes no difference whether the one leaving the bequest is a Muslim or a kaafir. End quote.
 

Som

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Taqiy al-Deen al-Subki al-Shaafa’i (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

Building a church is haraam according to consensus and the same applies to renovating it. This is what the fuqaha’ said: If a bequest is made to build a church, that bequest is invalid, because building a church is a sin, as is renovating it. It makes no difference whether the one leaving the bequest is a Muslim or a kaafir. End quote.
So they are allowed to keep their existing churches but not to build new ones?
 
No churches have been in Somalia since 91’ and today killing each other like complete animals. When are you langaabs learn it’s you that is the problem not the gaalos. And millions of us have seeked refugee in Gaalo country’s, I even made a thread how Somalis go to churches to get food and shelter. Somalis are too busy thinking qabils and Religion when it’s governance and lack of society that is the problem. We live like complete rats in our own country we been played by Aidid, Al shabab and the rest of them. Audubillah even Saudi Arabia is even laughing at us.
 

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