HSM attacks Russia

[GemState]

Russia specialises in;

- Jets; less than 10 countries in the world can build one from scratch, in the West only France, US, Japan & Britain can manufacture a jet, all others nations (West) rely on these giants.

- Nuclear power, most advanced missile weapons systems on the planet.

- Russia has a space program, with NASA employing their rockets to get their astronauts to the International space station.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/15/world/russia-launch-soyuz-ms-24-scn/index.html

CNN source btw, so no biased source.

- Russia is an actual bread basket, it produces more wheat than the United States;



- Also exports gold, rare earth minerals, has its on satellite (s) system (GLOSNAS), atomic subs/ice breakers, has a solid Military Industrial Complex etc.

Calling Russia a 'petro' State is either a ignorant position to take or you're just biased for some reason.

The future of the world is the East, the West is in decline. I'm of the belief that Somalis should return to the Kacaan era policy of neutrality, ala India & Turkey, pit the West & East to secure our own interests, unfortunately we're so down in the dirts actually engaging in geopolitical manoeuvring is out of the question for the foreseeable future.

In a decade, Mexico is going to have a higher;

Population
GDP
GDP per capita

Than Russia.

It's a failed country, it stunted itself with communism, wars and state collapse over the 20th century. People haven't realized this yet, which is why they think its the behemoth it was a century ago.

 

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In a decade, Mexico is going to have a higher;

Population
GDP
GDP per capita

Than Russia.
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It's a failed country, it stunted itself with communism, wars and state collapse over the 20th century. People haven't realized this yet, which is why they think its the behemoth it was a century ago.

GDP = meme measure of economy, I prefer PPP, a tatoo parlour can technically contribute to GDP figures, that doesn't mean it's a necessity or product that can be exported/consumed.

Russia reached it lowest point in the 90's, do you not know what Yeltsin did to the economy? Malnutrition, infant mortality rates rising, crime, oligarchies looting the State, children going into prostitution to feed their families and so on.

It was a dark time, under Putins reforms, today Russia is a country boasting a high HDI development index figure.

I don't know why you keep on insisting Russia is on its deathbed, it gained the most resourceful regions in the Ukraine, defanged NATO and last year surpassed Germany's economy when adjusting for PPP.

And even with GDP, it's still 11th in the world.

Mexico cannot manufacture its own Jets, it doesn't have a history of innovating in technology like the Russians have, first satellite in space, invented the periodic table, proved electricity could be transmitted over wide areas, thus inventing the electric grid, advancements in tanks, missiles, rockets, submarines etc

There's so many brilliant technological achievements the Russians have accomplished, I couldn't even begin to get into it, truly one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, I mean why wouldn't they be? The West needs everyone on board (NATO) just to counter them, a testament to their strength.

You can't compare Mexico to Russia, Mexicans have been getting their asses handed to them by the Anglo-Americans and lost 1/3 of their territory, why didn't they establish a 'Soviet' Latin American empire equivalent in response?

Because they simply couldn't, they don't have the brainpower to industrialise and innovate like the Russians can.

 

[GemState]

GDP = meme measure of economy, I prefer PPP, a tatoo parlour can technically contribute to GDP figures, that doesn't mean it's a necessity or product that can be exported/consumed.

Russia reached it lowest point in the 90's, do you not know what Yeltsin did to the economy? Malnutrition, infant mortality rates rising, crime, oligarchies looting the State, children going into prostitution to feed their families and so on.

It was a dark time, under Putins reforms, today Russia is a country boasting a high HDI development index figure.

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I don't know why you keep on insisting Russia is on its deathbed, it gained the most resourceful regions in the Ukraine, defanged NATO and last year surpassed Germany's economy when adjusting for PPP.

And even with GDP, it's still 11th in the world.

Mexico cannot manufacture its own Jets, it doesn't have a history of innovating in technology like the Russians have, first satellite in space, invented the periodic table, proved electricity could be transmitted over wide areas, thus inventing the electric grid, advancements in tanks, missiles, rockets, submarines etc

There's so many brilliant technological achievements the Russians have accomplished, I couldn't even begin to get into it, truly one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, I mean why wouldn't they be? The West needs everyone on board (NATO) just to counter them, a testament to their strength.

You can't compare Mexico to Russia, Mexicans have been getting their asses handed to them by the Anglo-Americans and lost 1/3 of their territory, why didn't they establish a 'Soviet' Latin American empire equivalent in response?

Because they simply couldn't, they don't have the brainpower to industrialise and innovate like the Russians can.

When understanding post 91 Russia, the events that were important were the transition to presidentialism in 93, low oil prices in '90s(Which makes Yeltsin bad), and high oil prices in '00s(Which is why Putin is good)

Yeltsin was not the cause of the 90s in Russia, that was Gorbachev and the result of Soviet state collapse. Gorbachev broke the fiscal and monetary system of the Soviet Union which pushed it out of equilibrium which was borderline impossible to restore because everything was cross-subsidized.

Because collecting resource rents was the only way to maintain one of the highest post-socialist quality of life with rapid growth in the first stage before 2008, Putinism wasn't born from poverty but from a "resurgence" built on a faulty base.

There was no reform at all from Putin, he just rode off the high oil prices in the early 2000s, Russians were 6% poorer in 2021 than they were in 2013 (91% in 2020, 94% in 2021). After this war + sanctions it will take until the 2030s for Russia to get back to its 2013 levels, all the while it's depopulating and running out of Soviet fumes. Russia is just a snowy poorer Saudi Arabia.

 

[Gaandheri]

When understanding post 91 Russia, the events that were important were the transition to presidentialism in 93, low oil prices in '90s(Which makes Yeltsin bad), and high oil prices in '00s(Which is why Putin is good)

Yeltsin was not the cause of the 90s in Russia, that was Gorbachev and the result of Soviet state collapse. Gorbachev broke the fiscal and monetary system of the Soviet Union which pushed it out of equilibrium which was borderline impossible to restore because everything was cross-subsidized.

Because collecting resource rents was the only way to maintain one of the highest post-socialist quality of life with rapid growth in the first stage before 2008, Putinism wasn't born from poverty but from a "resurgence" built on a faulty base.

There was no reform at all from Putin, he just rode off the high oil prices in the early 2000s, Russians were 6% poorer in 2021 than they were in 2013 (91% in 2020, 94% in 2021). After this war + sanctions it will take until the 2030s for Russia to get back to its 2013 levels, all the while it's depopulating and running out of Soviet fumes. Russia is just a snowy poorer Saudi Arabia.
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The economy of Russia is still growing 2.6% this is from the imf you watch way too many western propaganda news channels. Russia will have the biggest economy in Europe its out producing in everything than the whole Europe combined, On top that the shipping route from Asia to Europe will be going through the northern sea route more money for Russian ports on the arctic. Sanctions aren’t doing anything Russia is still getting everything they want through former Soviet states or china.

IMF raises Russia growth outlook as war boosts economy

New 2024 forecast of 2.6% rise doubles previous prediction and prompts questions over sanctions against Moscow

www.ft.com

Yeltsin was the cause of the 90’s it’s something called the shock doctrine you go from communism to capitalism everything during his time was sold to oligarchs and foreign businessmen.

The Harvard Boys Do Russia

After seven years of economic “reform” financed by billions of dollars in U.S.

www.thenation.com

 

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When understanding post 91 Russia, the events that were important were the transition to presidentialism in 93, low oil prices in '90s(Which makes Yeltsin bad), and high oil prices in '00s(Which is why Putin is good)

Yeltsin was not the cause of the 90s in Russia, that was Gorbachev and the result of Soviet state collapse. Gorbachev broke the fiscal and monetary system of the Soviet Union which pushed it out of equilibrium which was borderline impossible to restore because everything was cross-subsidized.

Because collecting resource rents was the only way to maintain one of the highest post-socialist quality of life with rapid growth in the first stage before 2008, Putinism wasn't born from poverty but from a "resurgence" built on a faulty base.

There was no reform at all from Putin, he just rode off the high oil prices in the early 2000s, Russians were 6% poorer in 2021 than they were in 2013 (91% in 2020, 94% in 2021). After this war + sanctions it will take until the 2030s for Russia to get back to its 2013 levels, all the while it's depopulating and running out of Soviet fumes. Russia is just a snowy poorer Saudi Arabia.
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'Russia is just a snowy poorer Saudi Arabia'

I already told you in my other post that Russian specialise in jets, missiles, engines, has a solid military industrial complex, designs and engineers rockets that NASA itself relies on, nuclear submarines, have also engineered the best missile defence system in the world as well as their innumerable achievements in science/STEM.

And here you are equating them to an actual petro State that doesn't have anything else to offer the world other than oil, that is, Saudi Arabia.

The reason why Russia did so poorly wasn't solely due to lowered oil pricing, it was the Oligarchs and their Western patrons from Wall Street who looted the State coffers for everything it was worth, in fact, the situation was getting so out of hand that in the end Yeltsin started fearing for his life.

Russia is still a nation boasting a high HDI index, the sanctions failed to deliver any meaningful hit to their economy, in fact it's only getting stronger, I think they'll be just fine.

 

[LiveFrom]

When understanding post 91 Russia, the events that were important were the transition to presidentialism in 93, low oil prices in '90s(Which makes Yeltsin bad), and high oil prices in '00s(Which is why Putin is good)

Yeltsin was not the cause of the 90s in Russia, that was Gorbachev and the result of Soviet state collapse. Gorbachev broke the fiscal and monetary system of the Soviet Union which pushed it out of equilibrium which was borderline impossible to restore because everything was cross-subsidized.

Because collecting resource rents was the only way to maintain one of the highest post-socialist quality of life with rapid growth in the first stage before 2008, Putinism wasn't born from poverty but from a "resurgence" built on a faulty base.

There was no reform at all from Putin, he just rode off the high oil prices in the early 2000s, Russians were 6% poorer in 2021 than they were in 2013 (91% in 2020, 94% in 2021). After this war + sanctions it will take until the 2030s for Russia to get back to its 2013 levels, all the while it's depopulating and running out of Soviet fumes. Russia is just a snowy poorer Saudi Arabia.
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I think whats missing from your analysis of russia is taking in all the factors that add up to keeping it at great power status

-10% of the earth's landmass, which has been used to insulate their economy since the 2014 sanctions (this has helped with food, they are still importing other goods from china)

-although outclassed heavily by us militarily, russias military capacity in relation to the rest of the world shouldnt be understated. Say what you will about their casualties, theyre going to win the territory in ukraine. Their military has deen active combat, worked to solve real military issues (theyve developed a countermeasure to the use of drones), strategized with lives on the line. Theyve shaken off the rust while the rest of the world hasnt. Not to mention the wagner group and it being on the menu to be in part integrated to russias defences

-their diplomatic sphere of influence is growing and rhe connections they have are strong. One of the factors deterring the us from striking Iran is the question of russian intervention, akin to Syria. Speaking of Syria, by intervening in Syria, Russia made clear that they walk the walk for their allies. Which is good advertising for leaders in unstable diplomatic positions and need help militarily, like west african leaders. The chinese will build your country, the russians will help you protect them, for a lower price than the IMF loans is the line of thinking im alluding to

-assymetric warfare: the russians pioneered weaponized trolling

Internet Research Agency - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

They understand the boat has sailed to catch up to the us militarily or economically, and instead put resources towards destabilizing america from the inside. I dont believe russia is solely responsible for increased polarization in the us (and other western allied states) but they were found to be running blogs, websites, and twitter accounts followed by thousands. Its not the end of the world, and you shouldnt have that much trust in the internet, the impact of these projects is that russia got a lot of people to advance its interests for a long time.

Overall russia isnt a titan like the US, but theyre no slouch