How trustable are Fatwas? And how many are based on Politics instead of Islam?

[AdoonkaAlle]

There is a difference between shirk and kufr they are 2 sides of the same coin, like push and pull
one is disbelief one is belief in something else
Are you asking how the action itself is shirk?
if a person prostrates to someone else, out of respect, you cant say sujood is an action of kufr, as it is dependent on the situation

in this situation, the person is doing an action, in devotion and obedience to his nafs,
just like the jews and christians who took their monks as arbaab, all they did was follow their rulings and believe in them, but that action was counted as shirk in the Quran

Yes I am asking how denying quran in & itself is an action of shirk ?

Your analogy of using sujud is invalid in that that type of sujud ie out of respect/honour etc has never been kufr or shirk. In the Quran we learn that angels made sujud to Adam AS, the parents & brothers of Yusuf AS made sujud to Him, there’s also the incident where muadh the sahabi after coming back from his journey made sujud to the Prophet ﷺ

The scholars have never stated that type of sujud is either kufr/ shirk. While the action of denying the Quran is always kufr there isn’t a singe time that it’s not kufr sxb

Furthermore the jews & christians were guilty of shirk as they deliberately ascribed the Right to Legislate to their Scholars knowing that their Scholars were guilty of distorting the religion of Allah and Istihlal of making haram and halal.

Denying the Quran & ascribing a partner to Allah in His Legislation are different actions, the former being kufr while the latter is shirk .

 

[cooli3o]

Yes I am asking how denying quran in & itself is an action of shirk ?

Your analogy of using sujud is invalid in that that type of sujud ie out of respect/honour etc has never been kufr or shirk. In the Quran we learn that angels made sujud to Adam AS, the parents & brothers of Yusuf AS made sujud to Him, there’s also the incident where muadh the sahabi after coming back from his journey made sujud to the Prophet ﷺ

The scholars have never stated that type of sujud is either kufr/ shirk. While the action of denying the Quran is always kufr there isn’t a singe time that it’s not kufr sxb

Furthermore the jews & christians were guilty of shirk as they deliberately ascribed the Right to Legislate to their Scholars knowing that their Scholars were guilty of distorting the religion of Allah and Istihlal of making haram and halal.

Denying the Quran & ascribing a partner to Allah in His Legislation are different actions, the former being kufr while the latter is shirk .

you don't understand, when a person does kufr of the Quran, he is taking his nafs as a God, which is shirk, it is very simple

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

you don't understand, when a person does kufr of the Quran, he is taking his nafs as a God, which is shirk, it is very simple

I’m talking about the action of denying quran in and of itself, how is this shirk ?

This is a very sensitive issue sxb & I ask that you take your time in learning and not jump to hasty conclusions.

May Allah forgive us for shortcomings and increase us in understanding

Ameen thumma Ameen

 

[cooli3o]

I’m talking about the action of denying quran in and of itself, how is this shirk ?

This is a very sensitive issue sxb & I ask that you take your time in learning and not jump to hasty conclusions.

May Allah forgive us for shortcomings and increase us in understanding

Ameen thumma Ameen

Your talking about the action itself right not the a'maal of the heart?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Your talking about the action itself right not the a'maal of the heart?

sax that action differs from let's say sujuud to people or worshipping others besides Allah.

When you make the claim that by merely sinning a person is guilty of shirk of worshipping other than Allah but this doesn't negate their islam. This is very problematic as the claim contains contradictory views, it is also indicates that there's a problem in your conception what ibadah is.

How would you be able to determine whether major shirk has taken place in a case where a person worships other than Allah?

When you refer to worship not in the definite meaning are you referring to the meanings of obedience, submission, etc ? what exactly do you mean by this ? are you referencing sultan al umayri's work on ibadah ?

 

[cooli3o]

sax that action differs from let's say sujuud to people or worshipping others besides Allah.

When you make the claim that by merely sinning a person is guilty of shirk of worshipping other than Allah but this doesn't negate their islam. This is very problematic as the claim contains contradictory views, it is also indicates that there's a problem in your conception what ibadah is.

How would you be able to determine whether major shirk has taken place in a case where a person worships other than Allah?

When you refer to worship not in the definite meaning are you referring to the meanings of obedience, submission, etc ? what exactly do you mean by this ? are you referencing sultan al umayri's work on ibadah ?

the fact their are different levels of shirk, both minor and major, should be clear to you that not all shirk is the same and takes you out the fold of Islam

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

the fact their are different levels of shirk, both minor and major, should be clear to you that not all shirk is the same and takes you out the fold of Islam

I know that laakin you were claiming sin equates to worshipping other than Allah ie sin is a form of major shirk that somehow doesn't take someone outside the fold of islam.

It would've been something else had you stated that some actions like riya etc consitute minor shirk laakin you were adamant that sin in and of itself amounts to worshipping other than Allah which is major shirk. I don't know of any scholar past or present that ever claimed that worship of others besides Allah is for instance minor shirk, it has been always major shirk.


That's why i asked how you're able to determine if major shirk has taken place in the case of worshipping others besides Allah ? if a muslim worships others besides Allah how is he able to retain his emaan ?

 

[cooli3o]

I know that laakin you were claiming sin equates to worshipping other than Allah ie sin is a form of major shirk that somehow doesn't take someone outside the fold of islam.

ok first of all you do realise minor shirk is a form of worshipping other than Allah?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

ok first of all you do realise minor shirk is a form of worshipping other than Allah?

no it's not sxb, there's no worship involved if there was then it wouldn't be classified as minor shirk.

 

[cooli3o]

no it's not sxb, there's no worship involved if there was then it wouldn't be classified as minor shirk.

do you understand what minor shirk is?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

do you understand what minor shirk is?

yes i do, gave the example of riya

sxb let's end here just take your time like before.

 

[cooli3o]

yes i do, gave the example of riya

sxb let's end here just take your time like before.

Why is riya minor shirk?