How trustable are Fatwas? And how many are based on Politics instead of Islam?

Some of the things happening in the tombs of Abdulqader Jilani(Iraq) and Badawi(Egypt) are just sad



Look at this Mushrik(below) who is proud of his Shirk wal ciyaadu bilaah

the detractors of salafis will deflect from this and say it is a “minority”... The qadariiya, muhammadiiya, naqshabendi and ahmadiiya all venerate graves and ask for succour. There is a perverse concept that the “awliyah” is free from allah - some even have the gall to claim this for themselves on tape.
 

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He has taken his nafs as a God

>If I slander a prophet I am my God
>If I commit Zina I am my God
>if I abandon the obligatory prayers I am my God
>If i throw the Quran into the Garbage I am my God

Hala waasho lool

Seriously get off the internet and learn the basics of the Deen
 
>If I slander a prophet I am my God
>If I commit Zina I am my God
>if I abandon the obligatory prayers I am my God
>If i throw the Quran into the Garbage I am my God

Hala waasho lool

Seriously get off the internet and learn the basics of the Deen
Edit out the expletive sxb
 

AdoonkaAlle

Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
A curse like the curse(Habaar & Inkaar) of hooyo. The effects will surely come from God. Allah helps the matluum. Usually, someone without the ability to take revenge from his adversaries does habaar.


You're the one who needs to read that Hadith. I said no Kafir or Mushrik will pass this test whether he acknowledges some of Allah's Attributes, the prophethood of Muhammad ﷺ and fasts during the month of Ramadan. Kufr & Shirk negates both their beliefs and good deeds.

A curse is an invocation to a supernatural being with power so as to cause harm to someone. When a muslim invokes Allah to curse someone it's because we believe Allah has the power and ability to do just that. Similarly when the pagan quraysh invoked their gods to curse the Prophet ﷺ it's because they believed their gods had the ability to harm him. If they didn't believe their gods had the ability to harm him, they wouldn't have invoked them to begin with. No one invokes a powerless god to inflict harm/injury on someone.

So to believe that there's another god who can harm besides Allah is shirk Rububiyyah. This is precisely what the pagan arabs believed and it's supported by the reading of 39:36


I asked you why are we questioned about who our Rabb is in the grave since according to salafi understanding majority of bani adam affirm tawheed rububiyyah. Based on this claim the difference between muslims & kafirs/mushriks is in worship of Allah & not affirmation of him being the Rabb. Yet we're questioned about who our rabb in the grave, why is this ? Shouldn't the question be about where the difference is & not about where the agreement is ?

Since you couldn't answer the question you then interjected with the example of qadiyanis & i tried multiple time to answer you laakin you come back to the same point over & over again.
Both of us agree that qadiyanis will not be able to answer due to the kufr, where we disagree lies in your claim that mushriks somehow have tawheed rububiyyah while being guilty of shirk uluhiyyah. You affirm that shirk negates tawheed yet continue to argue otherwise that after committing it a person can still retain some parts of tawheed ie tawheed rububiyyah.

Mushriks will not be able to answer the question in the grave because they have NO tawheed whatsoever as their shirk in tawheed rububiyyah is what led them to worship others besides
Allah. In this understanding there's no contradiction between where the cause of deviation is & the question of who our rabb is. Laakin in salafi understanding the contradiction persists ie mushriks have tawheed rububiyyah but they will not be able to answer who their rabb is.



Sxb most scholars of tafseer have translated the "Wali" in this ayah as Idols.

Al Qurtubi

قوله تعالى : والذين اتخذوا من دونه أولياء يعني الأصنام

Meaning idols


They are their Walis as long as they consider them objects that deserve their worship whether they be in school or job.

It doesn't absolutely mean Guardian or whatever you're saying. You completely misunderstood the ayah and again I don't see a shirk in Rububiyyah.


Again they're referring to who these wali are not that the meaning of the word wali means an idol. No scholar has ever said that the definition of the wali is an idol, this a misunderstanding on your part. Go to any qaamus & look up the meaning of the word wali. Al- Wali is one of the names of Allah how in the world can it mean an idol.


The ayah reads......... And those who take Auliya besides Him say... it's talking about the people ie mushriks who took wali besides Allah. The Auliya being referenced here is their idols, meaning they ascribed partners to Allah in His attribute of being the ONLY Wali.

Are you going to claim that the meaning wali in the following ayat means idols as well ?

The believers, both men and women, are Auliya of one another...... (9:71)

Verily, your Wali (Protector or Helper) is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allah in prayer) (5:55)​


Go to any english translation & you will find that the word wali is translated as protector, guardian, supporter etc. Tabari's tafsir of the word Al wali in 6:14 when used in context of ascribing it to other gods is a good explanation


" قل أغير الله أتخذ وليًّا " ، قال: أما " الولي"، فالذي يتولَّونه ويقرّون له بالربوبية .
Say, shall i choose as a supporter/ protector someone other than Allah. He said, as for
al Wali He's the one whom they take and affirm rububiyyah for him. Again the wali being referred to here are the idols
The actions of Dua & Sujood are acts of worship and when they are directed to the Sun, that is worship of the Sun.

Here is a better example of Shirk in Ibadah with an underlying belief that is not Shirk in Rububiyyah:

A person supplicates to the Sun day & night in the belief that God will be happy with him whenever he worships the Sun. Is there Shirk in the Rububiyyah of Allah there? No need for mental gymnastics


Shirk in Rububiyyah is to believe that others besides Allah create or share control over his creation.

By believing the actions of a number of countries can cause Qiyamah you affirm part of Allah's lordship(causing Qiyamah, bringing rain, and causing draughts) to others other than Allah. This is Shirk. Saying hebel knows Qhayb is Shirk

You are either not debating in good faith or lack a fundemantal understanding of what Shirk is, so I will end it here

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته


Yet in the Quran the word dua & sujud are used in contexts where they are directed to other than Allah and no scholar has ever stated that is referring to shirk in those contexts


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Do not make your calling on (dua )the Messenger in the same manner you call on one another (24:63)

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And if you call them to guidance, they follow you not. It is the same for you whether you call them or you keep silent ( 7:193)

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Surely We created you, then shaped you, then said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs,2 who refused to prostrate with the others. (7:11)



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Then he raised his parents to the throne, and they all fell down in prostration to Joseph,1 who then said, “O my dear father! This is the interpretation of my old dream. My Lord has made it come true. He was truly kind to me when He freed me from prison, and brought you all from the desert after Satan had ignited rivalry between me and my siblings.2 Indeed my Lord is subtle in fulfilling what He wills. Surely He ˹alone˺ is the All-Knowing, All-Wise.” (12 :100)



Here is a better example of Shirk in Ibadah with an underlying belief that is not Shirk in Rububiyyah:

A person supplicates to the Sun day & night in the belief that God will be happy with him whenever he worships the Sun. Is there Shirk in the Rububiyyah of Allah there? No need for mental gymnastics


Shirk in Rububiyyah is to believe that others besides Allah create or share control over his creation.

By believing the actions of a number of countries can cause Qiyamah you affirm part of Allah's lordship(causing Qiyamah, bringing rain, and causing draughts) to others other than Allah. This is Shirk. Saying hebel knows Qhayb is Shirk

You are either not debating in good faith or lack a fundemantal understanding of what Shirk is, so I will end it here

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته


What a ridiculous question, if the ultimate aim was to seek the happiness of Allah they wouldn't have bothered to worship anyone else. The fact that they don't do that is proof that their claim of seeking happiness of their Rabb is a false one.

No one supplicates to or worships a being without believing that the being they're directing this acts of worship to has the ability to benefit them. If the person believes Allah is their ONLY Rabb why would they turn to and worship the sun ?


Your question is detached from reality as there has never been a society/individual that worshipped the sun or any other god besides Allah for that matter without believing their god(s) possessed some attributes of Lordship. If you claim otherwise please bring proof that such people/societies existed rather than conjuring up a fictive imagination.


Believing the actions of the Kuffar(G7) can cause apocalypse(Qiyamah) or save the planet from destruction. This is clearly a shirk in Rububiyyah without Ibada(worship).


Since entire countries are now the Rabbs of people, how come they're not worshipping them ?

In Quran 9:31 the jews & christians are guilty of worshipping their rabbis & monks by taking them as Rabb, meaning when you affirm attributes of rububiyyah to anyone you automatically become it's worshipper. Yet here you are claiming that people who've taken entire countries as their rabb somehow aren't guilty of shirk ibadah.


You're all of the over the place, arguing for the sake of it without any reflection or coherence in your arguments.
 

AdoonkaAlle

Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
*lack of knowledge to argue for the definition of the word tawhid ar rubabiya. You pulled out hadiths I don’t have any to support the claim so I step back.
Using your definition, those that call upon on the saints and prophet muhammad swt are upon shirk ar rubabiya and the quranic ayat that we have both quoted affirm their kufr and parity with pagans. Who is known for this? Sufis and shias.

They are both upon shirk, don’t manufacture an argument out of thin air, I recused myself for the specific reason I’ve mentioned above.


Since you accept you lack knowledge then why are you making hasty judgements & conclusions without evaluating things properly ?

In the Quran the word dua is used in different contexts, some for asking, worship and others just a simple call. For example

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Do not make your calling on (dua )the Messenger in the same manner you call on one another (24:63)

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And if you call them to guidance, they follow you not. It is the same for you whether you call them or you keep silent ( 7:193)

If all dua is worship then why would Allah tell us to make dua to the Prophet etc , does Allah command shirk here ? The answer is no and no one believes the meaning of dua here refers to worship. So the question is when is dua considered worship such that when it's done for other than Allah it becomes major shirk.

When the mushriks, call upon on their gods, idoles etc they do so with the belief that their gods are their rabbs. Just like when we make dua to Allah with the belief that He is Our Rabb none deservers to be worshipped except Him as He is the Only True Ilah & Rabb.

The reason why the calling/invoking, supplications of the mushriks is considered worship is because they've ascribed divinity to their gods making them partners to Allah in His Rububiyyah.
 
Your question is detached from reality as there has never been a society/individual that worshipped the sun or any other god besides Allah for that matter without believing their god(s) possessed some attributes of Lordship. If you claim otherwise please bring proof that such people/societies existed rather than conjuring up a fictive imagination.

The people of Nuh.
- pious man dies
- people exalt out of reverence
- reverence turns to intercession (assigning of Intermediaries with allah)
- the pious man is represented with qualities desirable to man
- the idol now becomes a representative of said quality
- the memory of the pious man fades and is corrupted
- the idol is placed as an intermediary to acquire said quality from god
- god becomes distance in the minds of the practitioners
- god and the idol becomes interchangeable (late stage paganism)
- god is forgotten in all but concept
 
The reason why the calling/invoking, supplications of the mushriks is considered worship is because they've ascribed divinity to their gods making them partners to Allah in His Rububiyyah.
No. Calling upon anything other than God is shirk, be they angels or saints.
 
Since you accept you lack knowledge then why are you making hasty judgements & conclusions without evaluating things properly ?

In the Quran the word dua is used in different contexts, some for asking, worship and others just a simple call. For example

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Do not make your calling on (dua )the Messenger in the same manner you call on one another (24:63)

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And if you call them to guidance, they follow you not. It is the same for you whether you call them or you keep silent ( 7:193)

If all dua is worship then why would Allah tell us to make dua to the Prophet etc , does Allah command shirk here ? The answer is no and no one believes the meaning of dua here refers to worship. So the question is when is dua considered worship such that when it's done for other than Allah it becomes major shirk.

When the mushriks, call upon on their gods, idoles etc they do so with the belief that their gods are their rabbs. Just like when we make dua to Allah with the belief that He is Our Rabb none deservers to be worshipped except Him as He is the Only True Ilah & Rabb.

The reason why the calling/invoking, supplications of the mushriks is considered worship is because they've ascribed divinity to their gods making them partners to Allah in His Rububiyyah.
Just say you call on the dead don’t beat around the bush with me. I called you out for your line of questioning a couple pages back, it is clear cut kufr and is something allah awj mentions an innumerable amount of times in the quran no hadith needed to further obfuscate that point!

@Hamzza This nigga constructed or copied and pasted (more probable) a linguistic argument to defend calling upon the dead be they prophets or saints.
 
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Just say you call on the dead don’t beat around the bush with me. I called you out for your line of questioning a couple pages back, it is clear cut kufr and is something allah awj mentions an innumerable amount of times in the quran no hadith needed to further obfuscate that point!

@Hamzza This nigga constructed or copied and pasted (more probable) a linguistic argument to defend calling upon the dead be they prophets or saints.
He is clearly not Debating in good faith I am done with him. He distorts my statement and gives completely irrelevant replies. I showed him in multiple examples, how is it possible to commit shirk in Rububiyyah without doing any worship by like for example believing someone other than Allah knows when the rains will come and what will happen tomorrow etc.

I was not following your debate so I'm not over-familiar with what you two are arguing about.

Ask him Is coming to the grave of the Prophet ﷺ or wali and saying "O prophet/wali forgive my sins/give me children a Shirk? We will see if he is a Shirk apologist or not.

Right now Najdis could say Zina is haram and some people will argue for its halalnes because of their dislike for the Salafis. That's the extent of their ghuluw.
 
He is clearly not Debating in good faith I am done with him. He distorts my statement and gives completely irrelevant replies. I showed him in multiple examples, how is it possible to commit shirk in Rububiyyah without doing any worship by like for example believing someone other than Allah knows when the rains will come and what will happen tomorrow etc.

I was not following your debate so I'm not over-familiar with what you two are arguing about.

Ask him Is coming to the grave of the Prophet ﷺ or wali and saying "O prophet/wali forgive my sins/give me children a Shirk? We will see if he is a Shirk apologist or not.

Right now Najdis could say Zina is haram and some people will argue for its halalnes because of their dislike for the Salafis. That's the extent of their ghuluw.
100% brother. The simplicity of the salafi creed and the expectation of the layman to be knowledgeable on the basics of the deen is why it is so popular; gone are the days where sufi sheikhs would keep their murids in ignorance whilst ironically preaching wisdom and the pedantic philosopher asharis building tall inaccessible towers of knowledge and turning away any aspirant not grounded in intellectualism.
 

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@Yibir_

I said this

They threatened the prophet with their idols by for example saying: O Mohamed the curse of our idols will happen to you"
A curse like the curse(Habaar & Inkaar) of hooyo. The effects will surely come from God. Allah helps the matluum. Usually, someone without the ability to take revenge from his adversaries does habaar.

He replied with this

A curse is an invocation to a supernatural being with power so as to cause harm to someone. When a muslim invokes Allah to curse someone it's because we believe Allah has the power and ability to do just that. Similarly when the pagan quraysh invoked their gods to curse the Prophet ﷺ it's because they believed their gods had the ability to harm him. If they didn't believe their gods had the ability to harm him, they wouldn't have invoked them to begin with. No one invokes a powerless god to inflict harm/injury on someone.

I said they believe their Idols will curse the prophet and its effects will come from Allah and he made it in his reply like I am saying the Mushriks will do the habaar and the effects will come from the idols.


When a miskiin hooyo curses someone who did dulm to her is she demonstrating any attributes of lordship? A completely helpless person does habaar.

I don't know if he has comprehension problems or if he is being intentionally dishonest.
 
@Yibir_

I said this




He replied with this



I said they believe their Idols will curse the prophet and its effects will come from Allah and he made it in his reply like I am saying the Mushriks will do the habaar and the effects will come from the idols.


When a miskiin hooyo curses someone who did dulm to her is she demonstrating any attributes of lordship? A completely helpless person does habaar.

I don't know if he has comprehension problems or if he is being intentionally dishonest.
Don’t over think it, he has created arguments on tertiary issues, his hopes of “debunking” miaw’s work hinge upon minor definitions and linguistics with the short term goal of discrediting the context in which they are written; other minor claims are then added into mix and, to a non-perceptive debater and audience, he “destroys” the narrative in gotcha like moment. Like we have both noted he is being intellectually dishonest and is using underhanded tactics to win the debate.
 

AdoonkaAlle

Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
@Yibir_

I said this




He replied with this



I said they believe their Idols will curse the prophet and its effects will come from Allah and he made it in his reply like I am saying the Mushriks will do the habaar and the effects will come from the idols.


When a miskiin hooyo curses someone who did dulm to her is she demonstrating any attributes of lordship? A completely helpless person does habaar.

I don't know if he has comprehension problems or if he is being intentionally dishonest.

Like i stated earlier you're simply arguing for the sake of it. Lets look at the analogy that you used for habaar/inkaar of a hooyo.


Hamzza said:

They threatened the prophet with their idols by for example saying: O Mohamed the curse of our idols will happen to you"


Hamzza said:
A curse like the curse(Habaar & Inkaar) of hooyo. The effects will surely come from God. Allah helps the matluum. Usually, someone without the ability to take revenge from his adversaries does habaar.

In this example a hooyo making inkaar on someone can't be compared to that of mushrikeen who made inkaar against the Prophet ﷺ via their gods.

The reason why there's no comparison between the 2 examples is that the hooyo believes ONLY in Allah while the mushriks believes in multiple gods besides Allah.

Tell me is the hooyo using other gods to curse someone ? waa maya laakin the mushriks did exactly that as they already diverted attributes of rububiyyah to their gods. This is the reason why they believed their idols were capable of inflicting harm towards the Prophet ﷺ.

The ayah starts of with .. Is not Allāh sufficient for His Servant [i.e., Prophet Muḥammad (ﷺ)]? And [yet], they threaten you with those [they worship] other than Him. And whoever Allāh leaves astray - for him there is no guide.


if there was no diversion of rububiyyah to other than Allah then Allah wouldn't ask if He is sufficient for His servant. The fact that this is asked is evidence that these mushrikeen had already made partners to Allah in His Rububiyyah.

I said they believe their Idols will curse the prophet and its effects will come from Allah and he made it in his reply like I am saying the Mushriks will do the habaar and the effects will come from the idols.

Why would these mushriks believe that the curse will be from Allah when the Prophet ﷺ is telling them that it's Allah who wants them to stop their shirk of idol worship. So why would they use Allah against the Prophet ﷺ when they acknowledge that Allah wants them to stop their shirk ?


I don't get how you're not able to distinguish between a hooyo invoking Allah alone and a mushrik invoking his/her god besides Allah.
 

AdoonkaAlle

Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
Just say you call on the dead don’t beat around the bush with me. I called you out for your line of questioning a couple pages back, it is clear cut kufr and is something allah awj mentions an innumerable amount of times in the quran no hadith needed to further obfuscate that point!

@Hamzza This nigga constructed or copied and pasted (more probable) a linguistic argument to defend calling upon the dead be they prophets or saints.

I cited those ayat from the quran so as to make you understand that rushing into topics that you lack knowledge in is a dangerous thing to do especially when it leads you to making accusation of shirk against muslins.

Both you & hamza are quick to jump to conclusions and when i questioned your underlying reasons/understanding you guys weren't able to back it up. This should be an indication that you need to learn more before you rush to decisions.

There's no shame in admitting that you're wrong
 
I cited those ayat from the quran so as to make you understand that rushing into topics that you lack knowledge in is a dangerous thing to do especially when it leads you to making accusation of shirk against muslins.

Both you & hamza are quick to jump to conclusions and when i questioned your underlying reasons/understanding you guys weren't able to back it up. This should be an indication that you need to learn more before you rush to decisions.

There's no shame in admitting that you're wrong
Don’t over think it, he has created arguments on tertiary issues, his hopes of “debunking” miaw’s work hinge upon minor definitions and linguistics with the short term goal of discrediting the context in which they are written; other minor claims are then added into mix and, to a non-perceptive debater and audience, he “destroys” the narrative in gotcha like moment. Like we have both noted he is being intellectually dishonest and is using underhanded tactics to win the debate.
“Gotcha”
 

Hamzza

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In this example a hooyo making inkaar on someone can't be compared to that of mushrikeen who made inkaar against the Prophet ﷺ via their gods.

The reason why there's no comparison between the 2 examples is that the hooyo believes ONLY in Allah while the mushriks believes in multiple gods besides Allah.
The idols are doing the inkaar. Isn't this clear from my post? how many times do I need to repeat this for you to understand? The Mushrikeen are threatening the prophet ﷺ by saying:

O Mohamed the curse of our idols will happen to you"

Why would these mushriks believe that the curse will be from Allah when the Prophet ﷺ is telling them that it's Allah who wants them to stop their shirk of idol worship. So why would they use Allah against the Prophet ﷺ when they acknowledge that Allah wants them to stop their shirk ?
Again, Because they believe their idols are loved by Allah, that's why they said we worship them to get closer to Allah. They rejected the prophet ﷺ message because they were not convinced its from Allah. This is not very difficult to understand. It's not rocket science mate.
 
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@Yibir_

We have seen the greatest Salafi scholar of the last century Sheikh Baz رحمه الله dividing Tawheed into Rububiyyah and Uluhiyyah and stating that they are not necessarily dependent on each other. Here we have the greatest Sufi scholar of the last century Sheikh Mohammed Mutawwali Al Sha'rawi رحمه الله saying the same thing

 

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@Yibir_

We have seen the greatest Salafi scholar of the last century Sheikh Baz رحمه الله dividing Tawheed into Rububiyyah and Uluhiyyah and stating that they are not necessarily dependent on each other. Here we have the greatest Sufi scholar of the last century Sheikh Mohammed Mutawwali Al Sha'rawi رحمه الله saying the same thing

@Yibir_

Al Shacraawi explains how people whether from the past or present always did not have a problem with the Tawheed of Rububiyyah but struggled with the Uluhiyyah.

Sheikh Shacraawis Tafseer of the Quran and his profound knowledge of the Arabic language are deeply appreciated still to this day.
 

AdoonkaAlle

Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
The idols are doing the inkaar. Isn't this clear from my post? how many times do I need to repeat this for you to understand? The Mushrikeen are threatening the prophet ﷺ by saying:




Again, Because they believe their idols are loved by Allah, that's why they said we worship them to get closer to Allah. They rejected the prophet ﷺ message because they were not convinced its from Allah. It doesn't need rocket science to understand this mate.


sxb you seem not to understand what exactly am i critiquing here. A mushrik who believes that a god besides Allah is able to harm someone, this is shirk Rububiyyah

You stated that this wasn't shirk rububiyyah and tried to appeal to the example of a hooyo doing inkaar on someone in attempt to refute my argument that it wasn't shirk rububiyyah. To which i explained that in the case of the hooyo there's no other god involved other than Allah.

After which you then tried to explain that the mushriks believed that it was Allah who is inflicting the harm (like in the case of the hooyo) and not their idols. Now this explanation is in direct contradiction with the ayah itself, as it explicitly states that they were threatening the prophet ﷺ with gods besides Allah

وَيُخَوِّفُونَكَ بِٱلَّذِينَ مِن دُونِهِۦ ۚ

O Mohamed the curse of our idols will happen to you"​
This here is clear cut shirk rububiyyah as the mushriks believe that their idols have the ability to harm besides Allah. If i say to someone may the curse of Allah be upon you, then i say this with the belief that Allah is able to inflict harm upon said individual. Similarly when the pagans were threatening prophet ﷺ with their idols they did so with the belief that these idols are able to inflict harm on the prophet ﷺ.

Again, Because they believe their idols are loved by Allah, that's why they said we worship them to get closer to Allah. They rejected the prophet ﷺ message because they were not convinced its from Allah. It doesn't need rocket science to understand this mate.

The mushriks claim that they worshipped them to get closer to Allah is a false one and a excuse to silence criticism of their worship of others. In the quran & hadith we learn that the mushriks used to insult Allah for their idols, rejoice at the mention of their gods over Allah, assign greater portion of their crops & livestock to their idols than to Allah, attributed victory over Allah to their gods


Do not insult those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge” (6:108).


When Allah is mentioned alone, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter recoil with aversion; but when those [worshipped] other than Him are mentioned, immediately they rejoice (39:45)


And they assign to Allah a share of the crops and livestock He created, saying, ‘This much is for Allah’—so they claim!—‘and this much is for our “partners” .’ However, the share of their “partners” never gets back to Allah , while Allah’s share just goes to their “partners” how badly they judge!” (6:136)


In the Battle of Uḥud, when Abū Sufyān said,

“May Hubal be exalted!”

The Messenger of Allah ﷺ asked the Ṣaḥāba to reply to him with, “Allah is more Elevated and Majestic.” To which Abū Sufyān responded, “We Have al-ʿUzzā, while you have no ʿUzzā.” To which the Prophet ﷺ asked the Ṣaḥāba to respond, “Allah is our Helper, while you have no Helper.” (Reported by al-Bukhārī.)
 
Seriously get off the internet and learn the basics of the Deen
I actually implore you to not talk without knowledge and research into the deen. your comment shows me you have little understanding of the religion and hasty to make a judgement on something you have little knowledge of. there is a reason ma'siyah leads to shirk, because every sin is a strand of shirk, that eventually leads to minor or major shirk, because ma'siyah is a person essentially worshipping his nafs, but due to the fact he doesn't commit major or minor shirk which are the major types, he will either be punished due to this sin or excused for it.

But if you do not know that sinning is a form of worship of other than Allah then you need to study the deen, this form of worship is not definite since it is not the major type therefore not treated the same, but when a person does an action of kufr he has worshipping his nafs to the level of doing the sin

this is a fact amongst scholars, please study the deen
 

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