is there any objective books about MIAW
I have studied some of his books under a critical eye most of the stuff he says is just simple not special.
How trustable are Fatwas? And how many are based on Politics instead of Islam?
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I have studied some of his books under a critical eye most of the stuff he says is just simple not special.
AdoonkaAlle
Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
There’re plenty of books laakin most are in Arabic which haven’t been translated. The best one out there which was translated to English is called the divine lightning it’s a treatise that was written by his brother imam suleiman abdulwahab
It deals with the creedal mistakes of miaw more so than his biography. From what I can tell his history is mostly written covered in the works of his followers like taarikh an najd by ibn ghannam which are in arabic. These chronicles are very detailed & cover his life, dawah, actions of his followers etc
On top of that there’s also other books in English by various authors some muslim others by gaalo laakin I’ve never read them myself tbh.
The good thing about miaw’s works is that the vast majority have been translated into English by salafis themselves, making it easier for people to read how problematic his understanding & dawah is.
Inshallah I’ll try to keep you updated as soon as I come across them.
Hamzza
VIP
A curse like the curse(Habaar & Inkaar) of hooyo. The effects will surely come from God. Allah helps the matluum. Usually, someone without the ability to take revenge from his adversaries does habaar.
You're the one who needs to read that Hadith. I said no Kafir or Mushrik will pass this test whether he acknowledges some of Allah's Attributes, the prophethood of Muhammad ﷺ and fasts during the month of Ramadan. Kufr & Shirk negates both their beliefs and good deeds.
Sxb most scholars of tafseer have translated the "Wali" in this ayah as Idols.
Al Qurtubi
قوله تعالى : والذين اتخذوا من دونه أولياء يعني الأصنام
Meaning idols
They are their Walis as long as they consider them objects that deserve their worship whether they be in school or job.
It doesn't absolutely mean Guardian or whatever you're saying. You completely misunderstood the ayah and again I don't see a shirk in Rububiyyah.
The actions of Dua & Sujood are acts of worship and when they are directed to the Sun, that is worship of the Sun.
Here is a better example of Shirk in Ibadah with an underlying belief that is not Shirk in Rububiyyah:
A person supplicates to the Sun day & night in the belief that God will be happy with him whenever he worships the Sun. Is there Shirk in the Rububiyyah of Allah there? No need for mental gymnastics
Shirk in Rububiyyah is to believe that others besides Allah create or share control over his creation.
By believing the actions of a number of countries can cause Qiyamah you affirm part of Allah's lordship(causing Qiyamah, bringing rain, and causing draughts) to others other than Allah. This is Shirk. Saying hebel knows Qhayb is Shirk
You are either not debating in good faith or lack a fundemantal understanding of what Shirk is, so I will end it here
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Hamzza
VIP
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Both Kufr and Shirk carry the same meaning which is disbelief. Every Mushrik is Kafir but not every Kafir is mushrik that's all the article is saying. I urge you to re-read it. Athiests are Kuffar not Mushrikeen.
Similarly those who deny the existence of Allaah and say that there is no god, that life is only material, such as the communists and atheists, are the most disbelieving and misguided of people, and the worst in terms of shirk.
I can read arabic its fine
Hamzza
VIP
@cooli3o
Is every Kafir(infidel) Zani, thief, Alcoholic...etc. surely, there are Kuffar out there who never drank alcohol or stole. Similarly, there are Kuffar who never committed Shirk.
what you need to understand is that Shirk(ascribing a partner or rival to Allah) is a sin from the sins; its only difference from the other Macaasi is that it Nullifies the Mushriks Acmaal and Islam
Allah said:
لئن أشركت ليحبطن عملك
Is every Kafir(infidel) Zani, thief, Alcoholic...etc. surely, there are Kuffar out there who never drank alcohol or stole. Similarly, there are Kuffar who never committed Shirk.
what you need to understand is that Shirk(ascribing a partner or rival to Allah) is a sin from the sins; its only difference from the other Macaasi is that it Nullifies the Mushriks Acmaal and Islam
Allah said:
لئن أشركت ليحبطن عملك
*lack of knowledge to argue for the definition of the word tawhid ar rubabiya. You pulled out hadiths I don’t have any to support the claim so I step back.
Using your definition, those that call upon on the saints and prophet muhammad swt are upon shirk ar rubabiya and the quranic ayat that we have both quoted affirm their kufr and parity with pagans. Who is known for this? Sufis and shias.
They are both upon shirk, don’t manufacture an argument out of thin air, I recused myself for the specific reason I’ve mentioned above.
Impossible, please do not talk without knowledge, every kaafir is a mushrik. you can't do kufr without worshipping something other than Allah
ong I forget people have egos and that you’ll rarely have anyone arguing in good faith in public let alone the internet, whether its intellectual peacocking or purely skullduggery I want no part of it. An argument, ideally, is to convince the other-side and strengthen the position you hold not through their defeat but their criticism of your propositions: “my opinion and biases don’t matter, only the truth does”. I threw the proverbial egg first to make these anti-salfis think critically about their blind hatred of the creed and false association they make with the ikhwaani ideology of the revolutionary thinker qutub. I’ve reread your arguments and wallahi its not as airtight as you think it is, it’s reactionary to the “vohabi” trinity and hinges upon the interpretation of a phrase not the context in which it is written with the implicit aim of discrediting the salafi dawah - as you have made abundantly clear with the tone of lament in the words you use to describe it. People are inseparable from their ideological identities, an attack on it is an attack on their intelligence and as this has only just become clear to me I’m no longer interested in developing ideas with anyone other than my shadow-self and the dialectic of the authors in the books I read. I will still, however, throw the proverbial eggs and point out the obvious through transcendent xaar-posting.
Hamzza
VIP
That is like the pot calling the kettle black
>you don't know what Shirk is
>you don't know what worship is
>you don't properly know what kufr is
And you are not ready to learn which is shame
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@Hamzza @adonka
On calling upon Muhammad swt for intercession (muhammadiiya), I started listening fully supporting asrar rashid as he is otherwise very knowledgeable - the whole debate was nitpicking various tertiary components of the points being made, I don’t think he once denied or confirmed whether or not intercession of the dead was permissible directly.
All of this for a very simple yes or no:
Is calling upon the dead acceptable - No
Is it shirk - Yes
Is it similar to the practices of the pagans - Yes
Are you upon tawhid if you do it - No
Are you upon the religion of Abraham if you do it - No
Are you a muslim if you do this - No
The tafseer of surah Nuh explains how this shirk begins and how dead pious men are made into partners alongside allah.
the argument he makes is one of semantics. It reminds me of this debate:
On calling upon Muhammad swt for intercession (muhammadiiya), I started listening fully supporting asrar rashid as he is otherwise very knowledgeable - the whole debate was nitpicking various tertiary components of the points being made, I don’t think he once denied or confirmed whether or not intercession of the dead was permissible directly.
All of this for a very simple yes or no:
Is calling upon the dead acceptable - No
Is it shirk - Yes
Is it similar to the practices of the pagans - Yes
Are you upon tawhid if you do it - No
Are you upon the religion of Abraham if you do it - No
Are you a muslim if you do this - No
The tafseer of surah Nuh explains how this shirk begins and how dead pious men are made into partners alongside allah.
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Hamzza
VIP
@cooli3o @Yibir_
Here are some of the things that make one leave the fold of Islam in the Shafi'i Madhab
قال النووي في روضة الطالبين: ...سَبَّ نَبِيًّا، أَوِ اسْتَخَفَّ بِهِ، أَوِ اسْتَحَلَّ مُحَرَّمًا بِالْإِجْمَاعِ كَالْخَمْرِ وَاللِّوَاطِ، أَوْ حَرَّمَ حَلَالًا بِالْإِجْمَاعِ، أَوْ نَفَى وُجُوبَ مُجْمَعٍ عَلَى وُجُوبِهِ، كَرَكْعَةٍ مِنَ الصَّلَوَاتِ الْخَمْسِ، أَوِ اعْتَقَدَ وُجُوبَ مَا لَيْسَ بِوَاجِبٍ بِالْإِجْمَاعِ...
Imam Al Nawawi said in his Book Rawdatu Al Taalibiin:
If he slanders a prophet, belittles him, considers legal that which is unanimously forbidden like Khamri, Zina and Sodomy, or considers illegal that which is unanimously lawful… All this is kufr.
Now tell me how is the person who slanders a prophet Mushrik?
Here are some of the things that make one leave the fold of Islam in the Shafi'i Madhab
قال النووي في روضة الطالبين: ...سَبَّ نَبِيًّا، أَوِ اسْتَخَفَّ بِهِ، أَوِ اسْتَحَلَّ مُحَرَّمًا بِالْإِجْمَاعِ كَالْخَمْرِ وَاللِّوَاطِ، أَوْ حَرَّمَ حَلَالًا بِالْإِجْمَاعِ، أَوْ نَفَى وُجُوبَ مُجْمَعٍ عَلَى وُجُوبِهِ، كَرَكْعَةٍ مِنَ الصَّلَوَاتِ الْخَمْسِ، أَوِ اعْتَقَدَ وُجُوبَ مَا لَيْسَ بِوَاجِبٍ بِالْإِجْمَاعِ...
If he slanders a prophet, belittles him, considers legal that which is unanimously forbidden like Khamri, Zina and Sodomy, or considers illegal that which is unanimously lawful… All this is kufr.
Now tell me how is the person who slanders a prophet Mushrik?
Haq.
It is astonishing how anyone can make justification for calling upon the dead and still claim to be in the fold of islam. The tafseer of surah Nuh explains step by step how these men spoil the religion through the introduction of intercession of the dead and eventually turn these dead men into deities that they worship.
These idols were all named after righteous men from the people of Nuh. Then when these men died, Shaytan inspired his (Nuh's) people to erect statues in honor of them at their gathering places where they used to come and sit, and to name these statues after these men (with their names).
Their alim claimed, as sufis do today, that the pious men requested that they be called upon so that they could benefit them. This narrative, again, is clearly mentioned by allah in the quran:
They have taken other gods, instead of Allah, seeking strength ˹and protection˺ through them. But no! Those ˹gods˺ will deny their worship and turn against them.
Hamzza
VIP
Some of the things happening in the tombs of Abdulqader Jilani(Iraq) and Badawi(Egypt) are just sad
Look at this Mushrik(below) who is proud of his Shirk wal ciyaadu bilaah
He has taken his nafs as a God
I do know what they are, have you studied under teachers?
Anyone with basic Islamic knowledge knows when a person does kufr they commit shirk
You guys do not understand, Allah mentions mulitple times in the Quran of people who are mushriks, like the adahriyoon
45:23
أَفَرَءَيْتَ مَنِ ٱتَّخَذَ إِلَـٰهَهُۥ هَوَىٰهُ وَأَضَلَّهُ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ عِلْمٍۢ وَخَتَمَ عَلَىٰ سَمْعِهِۦ وَقَلْبِهِۦ وَجَعَلَ عَلَىٰ بَصَرِهِۦ غِشَـٰوَةًۭ فَمَن يَهْدِيهِ مِنۢ بَعْدِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ أَفَلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ ٢٣
Have you seen ˹O Prophet˺ those who have taken their own desires as their god? ˹And so˺ Allah left them to stray knowingly, sealed their hearing and hearts, and placed a cover on their sight. Who then can guide them after Allah? Will you ˹all˺ not then be mindful?
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
45:24
وَقَالُوا۟ مَا هِىَ إِلَّا حَيَاتُنَا ٱلدُّنْيَا نَمُوتُ وَنَحْيَا وَمَا يُهْلِكُنَآ إِلَّا ٱلدَّهْرُ ۚ وَمَا لَهُم بِذَٰلِكَ مِنْ عِلْمٍ ۖ إِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَظُنُّونَ ٢٤
And they argue, “There is nothing beyond our worldly life. We die; others are born. And nothing destroys us but ˹the passage of˺ time.” Yet they have no knowledge ˹in support˺ of this ˹claim˺. They only speculate.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
None of the adahriyoon would say they worship Anything, even atheists say that, But Allah tells us they are worshipping their nafs
A person who slanders the Prophet, is mocking Allah, a person who mocks Allah is arrogant and thinks he is above following Allah and respecting his Prophets, this mocking is considered kufr, the person has so much kibr he mocks the Prophet, kibr is pride/arrogance where the person makes himself a God besides Allah and worships himself, by submitting to his hawaa and not following guidance
40:56
إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ يُجَـٰدِلُونَ فِىٓ ءَايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ سُلْطَـٰنٍ أَتَىٰهُمْ ۙ إِن فِى صُدُورِهِمْ إِلَّا كِبْرٌۭ مَّا هُم بِبَـٰلِغِيهِ ۚ فَٱسْتَعِذْ بِٱللَّهِ ۖ إِنَّهُۥ هُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلْبَصِيرُ ٥٦
Surely those who dispute Allah’s signs—with no proof given to them—have nothing in their hearts but greed for dominance, which they will never attain. So seek refuge in Allah. Indeed, He alone is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
People who dispute with Quran and sunnah Allahs signs, without any solid evidence or reason, have nothing in their hearts except kibr, meaning they are arrogant and worship their nafs,
38:74
إِلَّآ إِبْلِيسَ ٱسْتَكْبَرَ وَكَانَ مِنَ ٱلْكَـٰفِرِينَ ٧٤
but not Iblîs, who acted arrogantly, becoming unfaithful.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
having kibr against Allah, is kibr and takes one into realm of kufr in this situation
Also, as I have previously mentioned, doing tahleel or tahreem of something, is a case for taking yourself as a rabb besides Allah, or someonelse, as we have mentioned in the verse is surah tawbah, so it is shirk rubaybiya and uluhiyyah, which is also kufr
45:23
أَفَرَءَيْتَ مَنِ ٱتَّخَذَ إِلَـٰهَهُۥ هَوَىٰهُ وَأَضَلَّهُ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ عِلْمٍۢ وَخَتَمَ عَلَىٰ سَمْعِهِۦ وَقَلْبِهِۦ وَجَعَلَ عَلَىٰ بَصَرِهِۦ غِشَـٰوَةًۭ فَمَن يَهْدِيهِ مِنۢ بَعْدِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ أَفَلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ ٢٣
Have you seen ˹O Prophet˺ those who have taken their own desires as their god? ˹And so˺ Allah left them to stray knowingly, sealed their hearing and hearts, and placed a cover on their sight. Who then can guide them after Allah? Will you ˹all˺ not then be mindful?
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
45:24
وَقَالُوا۟ مَا هِىَ إِلَّا حَيَاتُنَا ٱلدُّنْيَا نَمُوتُ وَنَحْيَا وَمَا يُهْلِكُنَآ إِلَّا ٱلدَّهْرُ ۚ وَمَا لَهُم بِذَٰلِكَ مِنْ عِلْمٍ ۖ إِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَظُنُّونَ ٢٤
And they argue, “There is nothing beyond our worldly life. We die; others are born. And nothing destroys us but ˹the passage of˺ time.” Yet they have no knowledge ˹in support˺ of this ˹claim˺. They only speculate.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
None of the adahriyoon would say they worship Anything, even atheists say that, But Allah tells us they are worshipping their nafs
A person who slanders the Prophet, is mocking Allah, a person who mocks Allah is arrogant and thinks he is above following Allah and respecting his Prophets, this mocking is considered kufr, the person has so much kibr he mocks the Prophet, kibr is pride/arrogance where the person makes himself a God besides Allah and worships himself, by submitting to his hawaa and not following guidance
40:56
إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ يُجَـٰدِلُونَ فِىٓ ءَايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ سُلْطَـٰنٍ أَتَىٰهُمْ ۙ إِن فِى صُدُورِهِمْ إِلَّا كِبْرٌۭ مَّا هُم بِبَـٰلِغِيهِ ۚ فَٱسْتَعِذْ بِٱللَّهِ ۖ إِنَّهُۥ هُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلْبَصِيرُ ٥٦
Surely those who dispute Allah’s signs—with no proof given to them—have nothing in their hearts but greed for dominance, which they will never attain. So seek refuge in Allah. Indeed, He alone is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
People who dispute with Quran and sunnah Allahs signs, without any solid evidence or reason, have nothing in their hearts except kibr, meaning they are arrogant and worship their nafs,
38:74
إِلَّآ إِبْلِيسَ ٱسْتَكْبَرَ وَكَانَ مِنَ ٱلْكَـٰفِرِينَ ٧٤
but not Iblîs, who acted arrogantly, becoming unfaithful.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
having kibr against Allah, is kibr and takes one into realm of kufr in this situation
Also, as I have previously mentioned, doing tahleel or tahreem of something, is a case for taking yourself as a rabb besides Allah, or someonelse, as we have mentioned in the verse is surah tawbah, so it is shirk rubaybiya and uluhiyyah, which is also kufr
