How trustable are Fatwas? And how many are based on Politics instead of Islam?

[Omar del Sur]

@Aurelian well of course you've been against Salafiyyah for a long time.... btw I like how even you admit that what I said is true

Sufisim without a good lecturers and stong Islamic philosofical base is weak filled with non islamic acts.

While wahabbism is simple and idiotically take what the early muslims did word by word without thinking.

"While wahabbism is simple and idiotically take what the early muslims did word by word without thinking."

see... so you admit what I was saying earlier but you consider it a bad thing. and that's the issue that Salafiyyah's opponents have. it isn't that Salafiyyah doesn't authentically follow the earliest generations- it's that Salafiyyah does and it's opponents are against that. they don't want Islam as it was understood by the earliest generations. they want a different form of Islam that suits that they want.

anyways... I really urge people- look at what @Aurelian said and how he paints the Salafi scholars

They, and those before them, change their position if the ruler said so.

One of their silly explanations (I will give 2 of his) of why they banned women from driving was( as one sheikh explained)

1- because when woman drive on uneven route, or speed bumps, the car will shake up and down, and so the woman's body, and since her body shakes, her uterus shakes and that is not good.

2- woman body is weaker than man's body, and so when she sites on to drive, the sit and her weight forces her pelvis to compress on itself, which will harm her, and make it more difficult to give birth and increase the risk of maternal death.


As you see, they had silly explanations

Other explanations were:
She could escape, yes, women escaping was one of their arguments for why they banned women driving.

and look at what we can see Sheikh Fawzan saying right here:



you can see how @Aurelian distorts things

 

[Aurelian]

@Aurelian well of course you've been against Salafiyyah for a long time.... btw I like how even you admit that what I said is true




"While wahabbism is simple and idiotically take what the early muslims did word by word without thinking."

see... so you admit what I was saying earlier but you consider it a bad thing. and that's the issue that Salafiyyah's opponents have. it isn't that Salafiyyah doesn't authentically follow the earliest generations- it's that Salafiyyah does and it's opponents are against that. they don't want Islam as it was understood by the earliest generations. they want a different form of Islam that suits that they want.

anyways... I really urge people- look at what @Aurelian said and how he paints the Salafi scholars




and look at what we can see Sheikh Fawzan saying right here:



you can see how @Aurelian distorts things

WHAT??? I just went after their expalantion and their habit of bending over when the ruler says so, and you here writing all this block?

see... so you admit what I was saying earlier but you consider it a bad thing. and that's the issue that Salafiyyah's opponents have. it isn't that Salafiyyah doesn't authentically follow the earliest generations- it's that Salafiyyah does and it's opponents are against that. they don't want Islam as it was understood by the earliest generations. they want a different form of Islam that suits that they want.

I meant that, they follow without thinking, while the early Muslims made judgment based on how they saw it, and sometimes adjusting the rules based on what is going on, and improvising. Salafiyya don't do that, they were against motors, radio and other things for so long, because these stuff didn't existed back then and never used by the Sahaba. But thanks to their habit of bending over, they came along

 

[Khaem]

They, and those before them, change their position if the ruler said so.

One of their silly explanations (I will give 2 of his) of why they banned women from driving was( as one sheikh explained)

1- because when woman drive on uneven route, or speed bumps, the car will shake up and down, and so the woman's body, and since her body shakes, her uterus shakes and that is not good.

2- woman body is weaker than man's body, and so when she sites on to drive, the sit and her weight forces her pelvis to compress on itself, which will harm her, and make it more difficult to give birth and increase the risk of maternal death.


As you see, they had silly explanations

Arabs are crazy people

How did these niggas invent algebra whilst thinking of shit like this

 

[Aurelian]

Arabs are crazy people

How did these niggas invent algebra whilst thinking of shit like this

When society prioritizes thinking and not pleasing the ruler, the can make inventions

 

[cooli3o]

This is from a fucked up subreddit so don’t mind it but this is true. How can we trust these kind of resources? Can’t trust stuff related to Saudi, can’t trust stuff related to Egypt even Somalia (Saudi influenced).

Even the infamous Ibn Baz banned driving and said it was haram.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

People have spoken a great deal in the al-Jazeerah newspaper about the issue of women driving cars. It is well known that it leads to evil consequences which are well known to those who promote it, such as being alone with a non-mahram woman, unveiling, reckless mixing with men, and committing haraam actions because of which these things were forbidden. Islam forbids the things that lead to haraam and regards them as being haraam too.

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Right because wearing a Burka is a fixed practice and there should be no ifs or buts
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That was the scholars oponion, a scholars opinion doesn't equal Islam, and only applies to his country and time if people follow it

I personally disagree with the fatwa as men driving causes more evil consequences, so this makes no sense, men do khalwa in the car especially ubers, men freemix, men do all kinds of haram with cars, in fact less haram will probably be caused if male drove cars
also the sahabiyaat used to ride camels so its deffo not Islam.

the reddit though is just arrogant, even if a scholar got it wrong, no need to act arrogntly and proceed to slander and make fun of a man who spent his entire doing what you could only dream of acheiving and he was blind

 

[cooli3o]

If you study Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah and a lot of the classical scholars, there's not really much of a difference. if you reject the Salafi scholars, you're going to end up with deviants. the whole concept of Salafiyyah is about following Islam according to the earliest generations. Salafiyyah predates Saudi Arabia. it isn't something modern. it is absolutely essential for people to follow the approach of the earliest generations. it's not about anything to do with Saudi. Saudi promoted Salafiyyah but Salafiyyah isn't some exclusive property of Saudi anymore than Sufism is some exclusive thing belonging to the Ottoman empire.

I have learnt under salafi students of knowledge and still am, but there obsesssion with ibn taymiyyah RA is annoying

 

[Khaem]

When society prioritizes thinking and not pleasing the ruler, the can make inventions

The Islamic world needs an intellectual revolution.
How tf has atheists and Christians been able to outcompete the Islamic world on nearly everything for centuries at this point. SMH

 

[cooli3o]

Other explanations were:
She could escape, yes, women escaping was one of their arguments for why they banned women driving.

I heard that one and I was like wth

now in saudi women and MEN do use cars to drive to secret homosexual zina parties where they do haram, problem is, MEN do the exact same thing, and that part of the population are gonna party whether they cab "drive" or not doesn't make any sense

in fact, makes you ask yourself, why would a women want to even "escape"

 

[cooli3o]

The Islamic world needs an intellectual revolution.
How tf has atheists and Christians been able to outcompete the Islamic world on nearly everything for centuries at this point. SMH

It is all our fault, we deserve it, why do non-muslims have better character than Muslims?
it doesn't make any sense, we have fell so far off the deen we think it is saying inshaallah every sentence

 

[cooli3o]

see... so you admit what I was saying earlier but you consider it a bad thing. and that's the issue that Salafiyyah's opponents have. it isn't that Salafiyyah doesn't authentically follow the earliest generations- it's that Salafiyyah does and it's opponents are against that. they don't want Islam as it was understood by the earliest generations. they want a different form of Islam that suits that they want.

actaually that is wrong modern day salafis interpret what they think the salaf did
as did most of the sects in Islam,

 

[cooli3o]

I meant that, they follow without thinking, while the early Muslims made judgment based on how they saw it, and sometimes adjusting the rules based on what is going on, and improvising. Salafiyya don't do that, they were against motors, radio and other things for so long, because these stuff didn't existed back then and never used by the Sahaba. But thanks to their habit of bending over, they came along

being honest i think alot of scholars even non salafi ones were agaisnt this new technology

 

[Khaem]

It is all our fault, we deserve it, why do non-muslims have better character than Muslims?
it doesn't make any sense, we have fell so far off the deen we think it is saying inshaallah every sentence

Exactly, instead of putting in the work to change the situation we just say inshallah and leave it to god.
Allah will not help those who do not help themselves.

The Christian west and atheist pagan east put in the work to modernise their states and industrialise their countries.
Whilst we are still throwing coup after coup arguing over clans and sects even though its haram.

 

[Angelina]

They, and those before them, change their position if the ruler said so.

One of their silly explanations (I will give 2 of his) of why they banned women from driving was( as one sheikh explained)

1- because when woman drive on uneven route, or speed bumps, the car will shake up and down, and so the woman's body, and since her body shakes, her uterus shakes and that is not good.

2- woman body is weaker than man's body, and so when she sites on to drive, the sit and her weight forces her pelvis to compress on itself, which will harm her, and make it more difficult to give birth and increase the risk of maternal death.


As you see, they had silly explanations

I saw that and I was shocked. Couldn’t believe what I was reading. Anyways I have respect for them and may Allah reward them, but critical thinking is important.

 

[Khaem]

We are not like jews and Christians who will change their ways even if it's against their book just because some preist/rabbi says so.
Muslims have critical thinking and should look to the Quran for answers if these people are saying stupid things like women not driving because their pelvis gets compressed.

 

[Hamzza]

Arabs are crazy people

How did these niggas invent algebra whilst thinking of shit like this

What's beneficial about Algebra?

Explain how we can benefit from Algebra in real life? for me it is waste of time

 

[Khaem]

What's beneficial about Algebra?

Explain how we can benefit from Algebra in real life? for me it is waste of time

???
Just because you see nothing in it doesn't mean it's useless. Not everyone needs advanced maths in their daily lives but much of our world runs on it.

 

[Aurelian]

I heard that one and I was like wth

now in saudi women and MEN do use cars to drive to secret homosexual zina parties where they do haram, problem is, MEN do the exact same thing, and that part of the population are gonna party whether they cab "drive" or not doesn't make any sense

in fact, makes you ask yourself, why would a women want to even "escape"

They would do zina whether they were themselves driving or not.

 

[Aurelian]

I saw that and I was shocked. Couldn’t believe what I was reading. Anyways I have respect for them and may Allah reward them, but critical thinking is important.

Yes, they wouldn’t have respect for you thou

 

[Hamzza]

They would do zina whether they were themselves driving or not.

You know the consequences of accusing chaste girls of committing Zina without proof?

 

[Aurelian]

You know the consequences of accusing chaste girls of committing Zina without proof?

Sorry, I meant those who would commit zina, would do so, regardless of the ban on driving