It’s not about being fractured- it’s political desperation as I’ve mentioned. Recently a relative of mine was telling me that back home, they’ve resorted to saying they’re closer in blood with a Habeshi than to a Southern Somali. Can we say that’s due to trauma or being fragmented? Definitely not, it’s a desperate attempt for politicians to carve out a reason for separatism as they’ve been denied that by the world. Note, this sort of rhetoric is only becoming common now-after 34 yrs and not when the wounds of war was fresh, that should tell you everything. As years go by and their attempts to become their own nation is declined- they will feed the masses even worse propaganda. Most of the people who believe stuff like this weren’t even born before 1988.
How tribalism is being used to undermine our shared ethnicity.
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When there's no order and only chaos the weak small groups are obviously the ones that are gonna be targeted, just like animalsBanadiris got targeted during the war due to being powerless and the crimes were justified by them being foreigners. After this they have developed this mindset of denying their somali heritage. However, deep down they know they are somalis and just can’t get rid of their dhaqan. They have assimilated far too much to claim any other identity except the one they have had for centuries.
Its understandable for them but its more heinous among ethnic somalis.
”Isku dhaqan manihin”, ” Somaalinimo aan ka baxney” are common phrases you see on tiktok.
All of this stems from the civil war and its consequinces. The nation has become fragmented more then ever before.
HY militias burned entire gaboye villages not so long ago
Balkanizatiom comes from the origin the balkans and how they all disbanded from the Soviet iron curtain. It happened through aide money. So imo this balkanization into tribalism comes from thr same source=fight for resources. When you study Somali history you realize that they have been tribalism for quite sometime. Tribes have their area zones, and have had peace and wars. So this idea that it came from colonization is false.
Colonization just too advantage of these divisions and Europeans themselves have tribalism. So this idea that they create everything in itself is a form of colonization through giving them too much power. There is knowledge power weapons etc. Is qabilism when Irish bonb and fight the Anglos? Was it qabilism when they fought WW1/WW2? I think so. If the central power is corrupt than isnt going to local powers the rational solution? So this imagination that Somalia was unified before the Euros is a myth. We are nomads who raid and kill when its necessary but civility and diplomacy is possible as well.
So to answer your question, it hurts to admit but yes we are a tribal, nomadic and fanatical culture. Good thing is cultures can change when the conditions do. Imo I think Somalis do well under the circumstances we are in. And I think we will be a superpower as well when its our time to rise. Its not tribalism that keeps us poor, its just one of the factors and how we survived for so long.
Has anyone noticed the entire world is becoming more tribal with the more connections we have? Also lastly dont assume people are really Somali online. And never underestimate what shaqo laan can do and sheer boredom. We have a trolling epidemic.
Colonization just too advantage of these divisions and Europeans themselves have tribalism. So this idea that they create everything in itself is a form of colonization through giving them too much power. There is knowledge power weapons etc. Is qabilism when Irish bonb and fight the Anglos? Was it qabilism when they fought WW1/WW2? I think so. If the central power is corrupt than isnt going to local powers the rational solution? So this imagination that Somalia was unified before the Euros is a myth. We are nomads who raid and kill when its necessary but civility and diplomacy is possible as well.
So to answer your question, it hurts to admit but yes we are a tribal, nomadic and fanatical culture. Good thing is cultures can change when the conditions do. Imo I think Somalis do well under the circumstances we are in. And I think we will be a superpower as well when its our time to rise. Its not tribalism that keeps us poor, its just one of the factors and how we survived for so long.
Has anyone noticed the entire world is becoming more tribal with the more connections we have? Also lastly dont assume people are really Somali online. And never underestimate what shaqo laan can do and sheer boredom. We have a trolling epidemic.
reer
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somali dhaqan is more rigid than a lot of dhaqans. the stucture of somali society is extremely rigid. and when you add the in overall somali history the minorities are footnote i get the cuqdad minorities might have. remember that as far as we know somaliweyn has never had a powerful leader who was a minority. and we are a might makes right society. they feel disenfranchised (they are). when you look through somali literature, wars, sultanates etc they are a footnote. they arent under the list of the major poets or sultanates or rulers etc or were major players in the wars across somali history. and as far as we know they werent major players in somali politics as clan blocks. and then the reer xamars / yemenis are a light skinned minority who were brutalized and then they received no special treatment from the darker black somalis who fanatically keep the rigid clan structure and "might makes right" mindset.
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Not sure why you blaming others for.
You can’t fix a problem without naming the root causes. Overemphasizing qabiil weakens ethnic identity. And overemphasizing ethnic identity will weaken national identity and religious beliefs.
Don’t get me wrong, you still need a defined state, borders, and a dominant culture/language to hold things together. But total ethnocentrism or even too much nationalism isn’t ideal either. Gotta balance it out.
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You can’t fix a problem without naming the root causes. Overemphasizing qabiil weakens ethnic identity. And overemphasizing ethnic identity will weaken national identity and religious beliefs.
Don’t get me wrong, you still need a defined state, borders, and a dominant culture/language to hold things together. But total ethnocentrism or even too much nationalism isn’t ideal either. Gotta balance it out.
Bari
Garabsare
Its always these creole mutts and the descnadants of southern east african slaves that push this narrative. They are uncomfortable with the fact that a single ethnic group with a uniform language is able to acquire vast lands spanning 4 current nations, the most out of any single ethnic group in Africa.
It's just Cadcad's taking part in the national sport of their country, Fadhi Ku Dirir. Those who express discomfort with them typically do so for one of three mutually exclusive reasons.
- Some harbour an inferiority complex in relation to lighter-skinned individuals.
- Others may recognise the significant cultural contributions made by Cadcad communities to the Somali nation and, in doing so, react with discomfort or defensiveness.
- And then there are those who thrive on animosity and controversy and actively seek opportunities for provocation and discord. (usually the content generator also is of this group)
My take on the Cadcad topic seemingly so popular that it has made to the politics section.
The Reer Xamar(Cadcad's included) communities have made a profound and enduring contribution to the Somali nation. Through centuries of trade, they introduced not only goods—such as fabrics and spices—but also ideas that enriched the cultural and intellectual fabric of Somali society. Their influence is evident even in the Somali language, which incorporates numerous loanwords from their linguistic heritage. Moreover, Reer Xamar figures played a pivotal role in the formation and financing of the Somali Youth League (SYL), and were present at critical junctures in the establishment of the Somali state.
Importantly, this phenomenon is not unique to Somalia. Across the world, ethnic, linguistic, and cultural minorities have often played disproportionate roles in shaping national identity, culture, and political independence.
A few illustrative examples include:
There is no reason to shy away from the contribution's trade has had and even less reason to actively vilify minorities, it's not only historically unfounded(Somalis on the coast always welcomed outsiders) but also politically self-defeating. It undermines the work done by those who put in place the foundations of the Somali nation. Conversely, to singularly elevate the suffering of any one group(minorities) above the collective experience of the Somali people is equally unjust.
There is no group that has come out of the Somali civil war that started in early 1980s unscathed and is still going on. You're not special!!
The Reer Xamar(Cadcad's included) communities have made a profound and enduring contribution to the Somali nation. Through centuries of trade, they introduced not only goods—such as fabrics and spices—but also ideas that enriched the cultural and intellectual fabric of Somali society. Their influence is evident even in the Somali language, which incorporates numerous loanwords from their linguistic heritage. Moreover, Reer Xamar figures played a pivotal role in the formation and financing of the Somali Youth League (SYL), and were present at critical junctures in the establishment of the Somali state.
Importantly, this phenomenon is not unique to Somalia. Across the world, ethnic, linguistic, and cultural minorities have often played disproportionate roles in shaping national identity, culture, and political independence.
A few illustrative examples include:
- Ireland, where members of the Anglo-Irish minority were instrumental in reviving Irish nationalism and cultural identity. Figures such as Theobald Wolfe Tone, Douglas Hyde, and W.B. Yeats stand out prominently.
- India, where the Bengali minority made outsized contributions to the intellectual and political formation of modern Indian identity. Among them, Rabindranath Tagore and Subhas Chandra Bose are particularly notable.
- Finland, where the Swedish-speaking minority was central to institutionalising Finnish language and culture, as well as founding the Fennoman movement that ultimately led to national independence. Individuals such as Zacharias Topelius, Elias Lönnrot, and Johan Ludvig Runeberg were quite instrumental in this effort.
- Czechoslovakia, where German-speaking Jews played a critical role in the cultural and political revitalisation of Czech national identity. Key figures include Franz Kafka, Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk, and Max Brod.
There is no reason to shy away from the contribution's trade has had and even less reason to actively vilify minorities, it's not only historically unfounded(Somalis on the coast always welcomed outsiders) but also politically self-defeating. It undermines the work done by those who put in place the foundations of the Somali nation. Conversely, to singularly elevate the suffering of any one group(minorities) above the collective experience of the Somali people is equally unjust.
There is no group that has come out of the Somali civil war that started in early 1980s unscathed and is still going on. You're not special!!
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Number 1 is just projection. Are u a fob by any chance?
The other two points are two silly to address.
People get annoyed over their fkd for the same reason they get upset over somali bantus and their fkd, they see them as different from us (ethnic somalis)
the embarrassing part about their fkd is that most of their claims, im talking a good 90% of what they attribute to themselves can not be verified.
English is the fourth language I picked. After Language A and B, Somali and then I picked English. Not all Somalis live in an English speaking country. What you are reading is translation from my 1st or 2nd language.
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I figured. I call all somalis not living in the west fobs. Weird references to skincolor is usually a dead giveaway
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that guys super weird
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Perhaps this is the only real contribution they’ve made to our culture.. bollywood induced colorism
cadcads dubbed those nonsense hindi films into somaliImo this is a form of intellectual colonization that attacks the mind of the diaspora communities the most. It is also why people get upset with Ilhan Omar. No one likes people who imitate their culture and experience. It is great when someone like Beyonce discusses her culture etc. I seen Al Sharpton and other Black Americans speak out for her but even politically not everyone group is the same or behaves the same way. Imo she is around many leftists who support her. But they are growing tired of her too. Also many of the people in politics aren't black american either they tend to Jamacian (Colin Powell, Kamala and the juggernaut Obama). Compared to other groups who tend to lay low but dominate economically Chinese, Indian, Filipino etc.
People are getting sick of this ideology and I personally think for Somalis this is very dangerous. Somali women who only think about stigma in terms of relationships are childish and short sighted. Imo if this ideology persists I think it will become dangerous for Somalis in neighboring African nations and we can expect a Rwanda and Sudan 2.0. Right now people despise islan and Arabs who are seen as fanatical, tribal, sexist and violent. So everyone sympathizes only with black tribes with Rwanda, Somalia etc being portrayed as anti-black. In Rwanda the source was european scientific biological racism and now its anti-black etc.
How does that make one side take all the blame for a civil war? Imo I hold a special hate for the term genocide which is as abused as the term racism. I would consider these crimes tribal with most groups committing violence for survival and from the result of tribal conflict, resources etc. Two groups can live side by side and resentment can build overtime especially in stratified societies where jobs are occupational.
The most disturbing aspect is the concept of indigenious which is also an abused term. Outside of isolated places, who are they to say who came first? They claim Somali tribes invaded and the other groups were there first but where is their evidence. And imo this concept is also discriminatory to nomads. I think Somalis tribes truly face discrimination and hated like the Roma gypsies tribes in Europe but instead of admitting it they claim we are the aggressors all the time. This type of education needs to be corrected. It has done damage and why no one trusts social sciences anymore.
Garaad Awal
Former African
Why should I care who ruled Xamar or Banadir in the past? Banadiri Indians are your cousins, don’t expect foreign Somalis to step-in on your behalf because of “shared ethnicity”
Garaad Awal
Former African
In political science, “nation” and “ethnicity” occupy related but distinct concepts. An ethnicity is a cultural/ethnic community defined by shared language, ancestry, religion, or customs; it endures even without formally organized institutions or borders. A nation, by contrast, implies not only a common identity but also some degree of political cohesion typically expressed through institutions, centralized governance, and recognized territorial boundaries.
Historically, the Somalis did not constitute a unified nation-state in the conventional sense. Rather, the region was characterized by a patchwork of autonomous clans and kinship groups who shared a common language and cultural traits; nothing more.
Unlike historically centralized civilizations such as Iran, China, Egypt, Morocco, and even India; nations with longstanding state traditions, recurring periods of unification, and relatively stable territorial identities. The Somali territories lacked a sustained, centralized political structure that encompassed the entire ethnic group.
The narrative that a unified Somali polity existed prior to colonial intervention is, in fact, a constructed political instrument. Southern Somali elites have promoted this national myth to legitimize the centrality of Xamar and to subjugate other Somalis to the ruling interests of the Xamarawi based Hawiye-Jabarti duopoly.
Because Somalis were an ethnicity….and this wasn’t even the earliest mention of ethnic Somalis.
We had centralized civilizations before the oromo invasions
